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Just did a total U-Turn with my first build Intel to AMD

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May 26, 2010 12:18:28 AM

After what seemed like ages of research and finally getting a nice i7 930 build figured out I realized it was 1.4k. With only a 5850. I quickly got jealous of AMD cheap gaming builds and want to change now.


My old build was this;
http://i47.tinypic.com/25fn0uo.jpg

I was literally minutes away from buying that. It's a solid build, I just think I could do better with 1.4k

Now I'm switching to an AMD build to fit in a 5870 I guess. I knew intel very well after building that cart. Now AMD seems foreign to me with the mobos and stuff.



Now the reason I would like to switch to AMD is because from my understanding, the two should have fairly similar performance in just gaming.. In other stuff intel wins, but pure gaming I think it is about a tie.


Here is what I have with the "new" build I want so far;

http://i50.tinypic.com/27yqpth.png

Suggestions? Should I go to an x6? Should I still get 6gb ram?

Thanks!

Also, I thought I could add more precise info without using the template, sorry if it pisses anyone off. :( 
May 26, 2010 12:33:05 AM

A max-clocked Athlon-II 435 will even run with the big boyz but a 955BE is the most you are likely to need, in coming years.

DO NOT GO with a 6 Core ! ... total waste. .. Go 955BE and Hyper212 and RipJaws 1600c7

.. Anything over 4GB is ALSO WASTED !

Sapphire 5870 (just one). ... NOT the VaporX model!

= Al =
May 26, 2010 12:39:00 AM

I would definitely go for an X6. Here's a deal with a mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


You don't need 6GB of ram, and AMD uses dual channel, so have ram in pairs of 2 is best. I reccommend this ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Don't worry about it not being a black edition, you can still overclock it, just a little differently. Here's a video guide on overclocking it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a7AxZJ7tWc
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May 26, 2010 12:40:41 AM

Went with everything you said there, and I got a few more questions.


1) Do I really need a hsf if I'm not planning on overclocking soon?

2) Why is anything over 4gb wasted?

3) Current build and I have about $50 to upgrade it with. Any suggestions? :) 

Heres what I got; http://i49.tinypic.com/30kx754.png
May 26, 2010 12:42:10 AM

@Alex

6 cores? For gaming?

I doubt many games come even close to supporting that.
Thanks for the ram suggestion :) 
May 26, 2010 12:45:52 AM

ajdef3 said:
@Alex

6 cores? For gaming?

I doubt many games come even close to supporting that.
Thanks for the ram suggestion :) 


Well, if this is STRICTLY just for gaming, then the 955 would be better. I was just thinking long term, when games and applications start to require a bit extra power. And since it was $40 more, I figured, what the heck.
May 26, 2010 12:49:10 AM

ajdef3 said:
Well, I did switch to the 965BE. Heres an update >>> http://i50.tinypic.com/33mahkp.png


Do I need a HSF if I don't overclock?

If you aren't going to be overclocking then the stock HSF should suffice.
May 26, 2010 12:54:39 AM

One last thing.

The reviews for that brand of 5870 that I have don't seem terrific. Any other good ones out there?
May 26, 2010 1:06:57 AM

How come when I google gigabyte 5870 and youtube it they all have pretty full shrouds, but this guy only has some black fans strapped on.
May 26, 2010 1:08:23 AM

ajdef3 said:
How come when I google gigabyte 5870 and youtube it they all have pretty full shrouds, but this guy only has some black fans strapped on.


Because the one in full shroud one is the reference card. This has gigabyte's own cooling on it.
May 26, 2010 1:16:52 AM

Switched to a pretty XFX w/ the double lifetime warranty. Lost some bucks though because higher price + lost combo.

I think I'm ready to order :) 
May 26, 2010 1:31:31 AM

He could save $30 and overclock it himself with the non-XXX edition. ^_^

XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870

EDIT: Oops, looks like I took too long to refresh.
May 26, 2010 1:45:02 AM

If you will not ever OC then, sure ... 965 and a VaporX ... stock cooler.
May 26, 2010 1:48:48 AM

Shiffy said:
He could save $30 and overclock it himself with the non-XXX edition. ^_^

XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870

EDIT: Oops, looks like I took too long to refresh.


I was looking at those, and IIRC (or maybe it was a different brand) you couldn't manually change the fan speed. But I just went and read some reviews and they should you could manually change it. :D 
May 26, 2010 1:56:41 AM

If you are not EVER to OC, then a moderately "clocked and locked" card, like VaporX is a decent choice (except, maybe, for the extra cost).

Same thing with the 965BE ... IF you are NEVER to OC ... then ... 965 is way to go.
Stock cooler will save the cost difference, too.

= Alvin =
May 26, 2010 2:03:41 AM

^ +1. As Alvin made clear, if you never plan on OC'ing, go with those, and you won't need any aftermarket cooler.
May 26, 2010 2:11:11 AM

First off 955 C3 stepping one. Why spend $25 when you don't have to....?

BTW the aftermarket HSF does come in handy. Right now with a video render, a download and webbrowsing my 955 is hitting 40c on all cores. Certainly that is still very cool you'd probably see 45-47 with the stock HSf. For what it's worth I think spending the extra $30 is better in the long run. AND you have the option to overclcok which we all do. (Even if you say you won't)
May 26, 2010 2:32:01 AM

Here is what I would do. i5 750 and 5870 with Monitor

CPU i5 750 $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MOBO Gigabyte p55a-ud3 $129
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram: G. SKill Ripjaws 1600 $109
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: Corsair 650w $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: Sapphire 5870 $390
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD: Seagate 500gb 7200.12 $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case: Haf 922 $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD RW LG $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MONITOR ASUS 23ich $199
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GRAND TOTAL WITH SHIPPING IS $1293.00

Leaves you a hundred for keyboard and what not

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May 26, 2010 2:35:21 AM

About that build above this, I have a monitor and keyboard and other stuff to factor into this build.

Also, I guess ill get a hsf, but I'm sticking with 965.
May 26, 2010 2:40:10 AM

Alright, so after all this the prices come out to be the same.

Which would you choose if you had to pick between these 2 builds?

A) i7 930 with 5850
B) AMD 965 with 5870
May 26, 2010 2:45:43 AM

ajdef3 said:
Alright, so after all this the prices come out to be the same.

Which would you choose if you had to pick between these 2 builds?

A) i7 930 with 5850
B) AMD 965 with 5870



I modified my above build, check it out. i5 750 and 5870 with monitor.
May 26, 2010 2:56:45 AM

That looks like a nice pc :S

The only reason I'm against getting an i5, is because I could get a i7 930 for the same price. The only thing that's stopping me from 6gbs of ram, 5870 and i7 is the cost of the mobo. :( 
May 26, 2010 3:12:36 AM

ajdef3 said:
That looks like a nice pc :S

The only reason I'm against getting an i5, is because I could get a i7 930 for the same price. The only thing that's stopping me from 6gbs of ram, 5870 and i7 is the cost of the mobo. :( 


You know you can get 3 gigs of ram 3x1. :) 
May 26, 2010 3:31:16 AM

fastx21 said:
First off 955 C3 stepping one. Why spend $25 when you don't have to....?

BTW the aftermarket HSF does come in handy. Right now with a video render, a download and webbrowsing my 955 is hitting 40c on all cores. Certainly that is still very cool you'd probably see 45-47 with the stock HSf. For what it's worth I think spending the extra $30 is better in the long run. AND you have the option to overclcok which we all do. (Even if you say you won't)


*IF* there is *ANY* possibility that you will *ever* OC (like world + dog is) *THEN* FastX is 100% right and, if you take all his advice, right now (at very little diff in cost) and be "done with it", so you won't have to go removing and re-applying thermal paste and cooler, in future !!! huh? ... AND ... even if you never do OC, that cooler will even mount on a *any* AM3 socket mobo or ANY INTEL socket 1156 or 1366 mobo/CPU. It is likely much more quiet, at any speed, as well.

ATTENTION ... UPDATE ... The Hyper 212+ is (right now) selling for only $25

= Al =
May 26, 2010 5:05:58 AM

I don't think that you're going to see a significant performance difference across the board between a Phenom II and an i5-750, especially if you can get a better graphics card with the Phenom II. There are virtually no games today that are CPU-bound at any reasonable resolution. The GPU is the most important factor in a gaming build.

And really? i7 with 3 GB of RAM? The i7 just generally isn't worth it for gaming builds in the first place.
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