Chess Computer

Hi everyone,

I am looking to build a computer used mostly for serious chess analysis. All the chess programs I use are "deep" versions, meaning that they support multiple processors. I don't need any fancy graphics or sound cards. I just need what it takes to crunch the numbers, so to speak. I believe I can handle parts like hard drive, mouse, keyboard, and so on, but I'd like to hear what you guys think regarding processors. For everything, I'd like to keep it around 2000$ or so. Thanks!
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  1. Um, I was under the impression chess computers these days don't actually require that much hardware.

    Give us an idea of the sort of processing power needed and whether or not it benefits from CUDA.
  2. $533 AR
  3. As far as CUDA goes, I don't think it's relevant, because:

    1. Floating-point performance is not very relevant for a chess engine, which works a lot more on bit-fiddling, branches and random memory access.
    2. The type of parallelism that is the heart of the massive performance you can get from such solutions is less useful for a chess engine, where there are many interdependencies between the calculations.
  4. As far as CUDA goes, I don't think it's relevant, because:

    1. Floating-point performance is not very relevant for a chess engine, which works a lot more on bit-fiddling, branches and random memory access.
    2. The type of parallelism that is the heart of the massive performance you can get from such solutions is less useful for a chess engine, where there are many interdependencies between the calculations.

    As far as the computing power, I want to go as high as possible while staying in budget. Maybe the 980X if possible, or the AMD x6, or 2 Quad cores, whatever everyone deems best.
  5. Can drop the SSD to save $195 if you want, but the benefits of having one are pretty big.
  6. Batuchka and Banthracis,

    Thanks very much for your help!

    How big of a difference from the AMD to the 980X will I notice?
  7. On the mainstream desktop platform (single CPU config mobos) nothing can touch the i7 980X but you pay for top dog ^^
  8. batuchka said:
    On the mainstream desktop platform (single CPU config mobos) nothing can touch the i7 980X but you pay for top dog ^^



    agreed, you do get the fastest cpu by quiet a bit, but your looking at maybe a 30-40% increase in performance over an X6 but, that also comes at 5 times the cost of a 1055T
  9. Thanks very much guys, super helpful stuff, really appreciate it.

    Is there any way to chop down the other components such that I can get all the components (monitor, keyboard, anything else not on banthracis' list) for around $2000?
  10. I'm about to leave so i can't link this

    but you could downgrade to a 5570 save about 50 bucks

    you could go with an antec 430 earthwatt psu save some more money

    you could go with a micro atx board save another 50 bucks, such this msi board
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130227
  11. If this is not going to be used to play any type of graphic intensive game, then I have this recommendation...

    1. Drop the 5770 GPU and go for some cheap $40-$50 GPU that will basically light up your monitor

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102829 - $45 after rebate

    2. I don't know how much HDD space you need, but you could drop the HAF922 and the 1TB and go with something very simple for a case...like this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129074 - $30 + shiping after rebate

    3. PSU - you could drop down to this...

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034 - $50


    With those few changes you can save roughly $230 for other hardware

    With that you can throw in the OS (Win 7 Home Premium, Keyboard, Mouse, and a cheap monitor...cheap given the fact of the GPU selected above)
  12. ^ Agreed drop the GPU down. Antec 200, imo is a bit too small.

    My recommendations:

    Intel version:
    i7 920/930
    P6T SE
    500GB Samsung F3
    6GB DDR3 1600 (GSkill,etc)
    ATI 4550 (You don't need DX 11,etc unless gaming)
    Decent case like an Antec 300
    DVD RW
    Corsair 450VX or 550VX or better

    AMD
    Phenom II X6
    2*2GB DDR3 1600 GSkill Ripjaws
    ASUS AM3 EVO 790X
    Every thing else the same to Intel build

    @OP: If your program benefits a significant amount from HT then you may want to get the i7, else get the X6. Also, if you live near a Microcenter you can grab the X6 or the i7 quite cheaper than at Newegg. Also, have you considered OCing?
  13. Like I said, you can just drop the SSD. That'll save you $195. That + the $55 left over is easily enough for a keyboard mouse and monitor.

    Monitor

    Hanns G 23" 1920 x 1080 $159 w/ promo code EMCYSNW32
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254045&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL052810&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL052810-_-EMC-052810-Index-_-MonitorsLCDFlatPanel-_-24254045-L0A

    Hanns G is a display maker for Dell's monitors.
  14. If u want to drop down to i7/nehalem then i'd say forget it - Thuban all the way as Thuban/Nehalem about dead rubber for Chess and going with a native SATA 6GB/s with USB 3.0 va NEC chip 880G saves u even more $$ on the GPU which Chess has no use for ^^ Sandy Bridge looming 2011 as well and for AM3 platform no point splashing on 700 series CFable mobo either Last hurrah on LGA 1366? Gulftown if u can afford it hehe
    http://www.overclockers.com/intel-replace-lga1366-socket-2011/
    Quote:
    Intel’s current high-end socket for consumer processors, best known as LGA1366, is supposedly set to be replaced by a new part in 2011. According to information obtained by Bit-Tech, the new socket would come in the second half of 2011 and with it several new features to accommodate future processors. Along with the new part, Intel will inevitably be releasing a new chipset to be at the center of the new platform.

    If manufacturer Intel stands true to its actual naming scheme, the new chipset should be called X68
  15. ^ That is speculation. I doubt Intel would kill off the LGA1366 considering the Xeons use the same socket.

    It all comes down to if the OP will notice a difference between 8 threads vs 6 threads and/or real cores vs. virtual cores.
  16. Mobo you linked is to a MSI one, that's microatx.

    You should get a ga or asus really. GA one is cheaper ATM. $210
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423&cm_re=gigabyte_x58-_-13-128-423-_-Product

    HD should get 1 TB Spinpoint f3 $70
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=spinpoint%20f3%201tb
  17. you should really be using 6 gb of RAM to take advantage of trichannel memory.

    PSU should be fine.
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