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May 28, 2010 5:34:29 PM

hello all im building a new gaming rig and could use some advice on the parts i picked

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: this week or next
BUDGET RANGE: $1300

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, surfing the net, small time movie editing

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: mouse and monitor

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS :newegg.com
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Israel

PARTS PREFERENCES: intel core i7

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

so far the computer i have built is:
CPU - core i7 920
Motherboard - GA-X58A-UD3R
Hard disk - Western Digital 1000GB SATA2 64MB Buffer
VGA - ati hd 5830 (need help picking a company)
case - either the coolermaster HAF 930 or HAF 920
optical drive Optiarc SATA DVD X24
RAM - 3x2GB Mushkin XP Black Frostbyte Series Triple Channel Cas -8 or
3x2GB Kingston HyperX Triple Channel Cas - 7
PSU - HEC 600w WIN+600 or thermaltake LitePower 700W
cooler - Mugen II Rev.b 5 Heat Pipes CPU Cooler

is this build any good? anything i should change out? and which case would be better the 920 or 930?

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a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2010 5:39:53 PM

Go with the i7-930, better CPU for basically the same money
Good motherboard choice
I would suggest the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB HDD, its faster and quieter
At this budget, you should be able to squeeze in the HD5870, XFX and Sapphire are two good brands
I would recommend the HAF922, its nearly as big as the 932, but a much better value.
The G.Skill Pi RAM, or Mushkin Redline are the two good options, either way, try to get CL7
Neither, Corsair 750TX
The CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ is a great option, though try to get it on Amazon, its cheaper there.
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a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2010 5:44:16 PM

Transmaniacon said:
Go with the i7-930, better CPU for basically the same money
Good motherboard choice
I would suggest the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB HDD, its faster and quieter
At this budget, you should be able to squeeze in the HD5870, XFX and Sapphire are two good brands
I would recommend the HAF922, its nearly as big as the 932, but a much better value.
The G.Skill Pi RAM, or Mushkin Redline are the two good options, either way, try to get CL7
Neither, Corsair 750TX
The CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ is a great option, though try to get it on Amazon, its cheaper there.
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However I think that the Scythe Mugen 2 is the better option as it is quieter than the CM Hyper 212 Plus. However the Scythe is not available at newegg. I could not find it doing a search.
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May 28, 2010 10:17:00 PM

ok so ill go with the scythe,

as far as an hd5870, here in israel the difference between the 2 cards is big, so i think ill stick with the 5830, 200$ in fact.

as far as the ram, does it truly make a difference if the CL is 7 or 8? will i really feel the difference?

if i really feel like i definitely have to have a CL7 am, ill get it from the states alongside the VGA, though i don't want to sacrifice having coverage for my equipment unless i have to.
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a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2010 11:50:22 PM

raif89 said:
as far as the ram, does it truly make a difference if the CL is 7 or 8? will i really feel the difference?
No you will not feel the difference between CL7 or CL8 RAM.
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May 29, 2010 6:10:50 PM

ok so now my question is, is the RAM i posted any good?

also, should i go with the 5850 instead of the 5830 if i have a 23'' LED widescreen monitor with a 1920X1080 resolution from LG?
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a b 4 Gaming
May 29, 2010 7:06:07 PM

Yea Kingston make quite good RAM. What is the voltage of the set you're looking at? Make sure it is 1.65V or below as anything above this can damage Intel CPUs.

It would be preferable to get a 5850 as it performs much better than a 5830, uses less power, is quieter and is cooler. You would only need a good 650W PSU to be able to crossfire 5850s, while it is better to have a 750W PSU for two 5830s. So if you can afford a 5850 then I think that would be the best thing to do. Altho a 5830 would be fine as well.
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May 29, 2010 8:52:40 PM

the kingston is 1.5v while the mushkin is 1.6-1.65

though if you can make sense of this to tel me what the timing actually is..

Model KHX1600C9D3K3/6GX
FEATURES JEDEC standard 1.5V ± 0.075V Power Supply
VDDQ = 1.5V ± 0.075V
667MHz fCK for 1333Mb/sec/pin
8 independent internal bank
Posted CAS
Programmable Additive Latency: 0, CL - 2, or CL - 1 clock
Programmable CAS Write Latency(CWL) = 7(DDR3-1333)
8-bit pre-fetch
Burst Length: 8 (Interleave without any limit, sequential with starting address “000” only), 4 with tCCD =
which does not allow seamless read or write [either on the fly using A12 or MRS]
Bi-directional Differential Data Strobe
Internal(self) calibration : Internal self calibration through ZQ pin (RZQ : 240 ohm ± 1%)
On Die Termination using ODT pin
Average Refresh Period 7.8us at lower then TCASE 85°C, 3.9us at 85°C < TCASE . 95°C
Asynchronous Reset
PCB Height 1.180” (30.00mm), double sided component
CL(IDD) 9 cycles
Row Cycle Time (tRCmin) 49.5ns (min.)
Refresh to Active/Refresh Command Time (tRFCmin) 110ns
Row Active Time (tRASmin) 36ns (min.)
Power 1.800 W (operating per module)
UL Rating 94 V - 0
Operating Temperature 0C to 85C
Storage Temperature -55C to +100C


seeing as i cant make heads or tails it.

as for the VGA, i can go either 2gb toxic or 2gb vapor, though id be hard pressed to get those and i cant see a reason to, but i can definitely get the regular 5850 from sapphire so unless you can really give me a good reason to get the vapor or toxic, ill go with the standard 5850 from sapphire
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May 29, 2010 8:57:33 PM

On Kingston's website they list KHX1600C9D3K3/6GX as 9-9-9-27.
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May 29, 2010 9:25:27 PM

ok then that calls it, ill go for the 3x2GB Mushkin XP Black Frostbyte Series Triple Channel or the copperhead series, both are cl8
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June 5, 2010 7:46:44 PM

ok some updates since i wasnt able to purchase my computer since prices upped in israel...

i can now either get a computer with an i5 750 with an 5850 or get an i7 with a 5770 and later get another 5770 or get a much better single gpu, its just the way prices are going right now

both setups are there

core i5 750 build:
cpu: core i5 750
cooler: scythe mugen 2
VGA: msi twin frozr 5850
RAM: 2x2GB Mushkin Redline Series Dual Channel CL6
MB: haven't picked one out, but it could be the Asus maximus II gene or
formula (need help with this part)
HD: 1TB EcoGreen F3 1TB 32MB Sata II
Case: Coolermaster HAF 932 or 922
PSU: TX 650W
Optical writer: AD-5240S DVD±RW x24 Black Sata



core i7 build:
cpu: core i7 920
cooler: scythe mugen 2
VGA: msi HaWk 5770
RAM: 3x2GB Mushkin XP Black Frostbyte Series Triple Channel
MB:X58A-UD3R s1366 Core i7, Intel X58, DDR3 2200+, 4xPCI-E
HD: 1TB EcoGreen F3 1TB 32MB Sata II
Case: Coolermaster HAF 932 or 922
PSU: TX 650W
Optical writer: AD-5240S DVD±RW x24 Black Sata

which should i go with?
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June 5, 2010 7:52:47 PM

Considering that you primarily game, and surf the web, then you'll get more out of the i5/5850 than the i7/5770. I would try to squeeze the 5870 into your budget though, if possible.
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June 5, 2010 8:15:10 PM

i can squeeze in an evga gtx 470, no more, the hd5870 is just out of my range right now and i can get a killer deal on the evga card
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June 5, 2010 8:23:35 PM

Don't really have any experience with the 470 other than what I've read, and based on that, I'd go with the 5850. Most 5850s OC extremely well, and can't hit 5870 performance with a little tweaking.
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June 5, 2010 8:25:56 PM

can't hit 5870 performance? or did you mean can?

plus i read that it runs quieter and cooler and more power friendly
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June 5, 2010 8:29:13 PM

Sorry, yes I meant CAN.
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June 5, 2010 9:16:11 PM

thanks for all the help so far chuckles, just one last thing, which MB should i go with for the i5 then if i go with the i5?
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June 5, 2010 9:26:05 PM

The Asus P7P55D-E Pro is probably the best, and definitely the most popular. If you'll never crossfire, then you can go with the P7P55D-E.
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June 7, 2010 8:52:53 PM

hmm ok the website im using to buy from doesnt designate any of the p7p55d boards with those names, i've got

P7P55D
P7P55D EVO
P7P55D Deluxe
P7P55D Premium

i was going to go with the P7P55D seeing as its the cheapest and the reviews were good, that the one you were talking about?

also is the msi twin frozr necessary because i could save some of the money from it and get a Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5850 for lessin order to get the P7P55D deluxe version
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June 7, 2010 9:00:17 PM

OK those are all the first series P55 boards. The primary difference is that all the -E boards have USB 3.0 and Sata III.
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