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May 30, 2010 2:09:03 PM

Hello! The time has come to get some new parts after being stuck with intels quadcore q6600 for a long time.

Im aiming for the best setup available within a reasonable price(aren't we all?:p ). I work a lot with computers so the usage is quite wide, but mostly for gaming. And perhaps some over clocking :ange: 

After reading some reviews, this is what i come up with:

Intel Core™ i7 Quad Processor i7-930 (cpu)
ASUS Rampage III Extreme, X58 (mobo)
Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 2000MHz 6GB (ram)
Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5
Crucial RealSSD C300 2,5" 128GB
Corsair HX 750W PSU

Have not decided case yet, but looking for one good water-cooling support.


What do you think? Perhaps wait with sata3 ssd?

*edit ASUS Rampage III Extreme, X58 ofc

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May 30, 2010 5:07:20 PM

Great selection, but wait for USB 3.0
May 30, 2010 5:15:27 PM

thanks!
The ASUS Rampage III Extreme, X58 is equipped with 2x USB3.
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May 30, 2010 5:29:12 PM

It's a unblanced build.

You're better of with a 5970/AM3 for the same price.

There sno reason why you need X58 if you're only using a 5870.
May 30, 2010 6:25:03 PM

why does everyone think the cpu should just not bottleneck the gpu? The guy said he uses is computer for a lot of things so he definately will benefit from x58 with a faster ram and faster cpu.

Second of all. Why a 5970? 5850 CF is marginally faster as shown in bench and far cheaper.

and third of all for a single monitor a 5870 is more than sufficient.
May 30, 2010 7:33:05 PM

ANd I quote " but mostly for gaming"

THought so.

Also, No, a 5870 is not sufficant for a single screen.

It struglles with current games at 19x12, and is a total fail at 25x16.

Think hwo its gonna do In a few years.

And the 5970 is faster than the 5850 CF becuase the 5850CF has locked shaders.

And the 5850CF uses 2 Pcies, the 5970 occupies 1.
May 30, 2010 8:27:48 PM

Currently a 5870 will definately handle most games and it is possible to add one later.
Do you have benchmarks to prove that a 5970 is faster than 5850 CF.

Although the fast that it takes up two slots may seem bad but it also means that one has 4 video outputs so one doesn't need an adapter. And it has better cooling.
May 30, 2010 8:33:59 PM

nope isn't really a very convincing argument.

and those benches prove that a 5970 is round about as fast as 5850 CF. And in these benches the 5850's are mostly faster http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5970-review-tes... AND http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

next you might want to look at the benchmarks completely before you post them

and you could be right about the eyefinity haven't checked

and well I don't like getting owned but I think it ain't gonna happen today either
May 30, 2010 9:06:31 PM

the 5970 will cost me about 200€ more. Will the differense be that big?
May 30, 2010 10:32:33 PM

drphlox said:
the 5970 will cost me about 200€ more. Will the differense be that big?


Uh, It's life-changing.

YOu could go from Max settings wiht 8aa in games to 24aa and 16af in those same games.

A 5970 will handle anything at 19x12 now, and for years to come.

And the fact reamis that the 5970 is fatser than dual 5850s.

Not by a huge amount, only 10%, but still.
May 31, 2010 1:02:45 AM

builderbobftw said:
Uh, It's life-changing.

YOu could go from Max settings wiht 8aa in games to 24aa and 16af in those same games.

A 5970 will handle anything at 19x12 now, and for years to come.

And the fact reamis that the 5970 is fatser than dual 5850s.

Not by a huge amount, only 10%, but still.


I'm pretty sure you can't do 24aa with ATI cards. I prefer CPU power over graphics power so I'm more partial to the original build than an AM3 build. Plus with x58 you don't have to worry about the platform bottlenecking the graphics, AMD processors just can't handle crossfire/SLI as well as x58.

Great build overall, if you want to cut some costs you could get some cheaper ram. 1600MHz is more than sufficient and last time i checked the price jump to 2000MHz just doesn't justify the performance unless you're looking for major overclocking headroom at the rams max speed. Also I don't really like the C300, if it were me i would much rather get an intel or sandforce based ssd unless you do a lot of sequential reads/writes. I'm not telling you not to get a c300 it should be a good drive, I'm just giving my preference

Oh and the eyefintity comment is true, to use crossfire eyefinity you do need to connect all monitors to the same card. However you could leave them as separate cards (without crossfire) and connect up to two monitors to each card without using displayport but i'm not sure how you would set it up. I'm basing this purely off the fact that ATI set up a massive 24 monitor display across four eyefinity cards as an eyefinity demo way back when and they said the cards were not in crossfire
May 31, 2010 2:35:27 AM

^

A AMD 955 can handle games just as well as an i7-930.

The 4 extra threds do nada for games.

And ATI cards can do 24aa, Im running 24aa now.
May 31, 2010 5:17:53 AM

lol builderbobftw you amuse me. Can't you just accept the truth when its right in front of you? A 700dollar 5970 isn't as good a buy as the very slightly better performing 5850 CF for 600.

We all fail sometimes just accpet it and get over it.
May 31, 2010 8:53:37 AM

You are right about the RAM. Im dropping the 2000mhz and going for
Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 1600MHz 6GB

The idea with sata3 sounded so good and where i live the price for C300 is the same as Corsair SSD Force Series 2,5" 100GB. I will look around before deciding about the ssd.

I am also considering a 5970-card. Its more expensive, 10% (as claimed in earlier post) is a lot when it comes to gaming.
May 31, 2010 12:32:50 PM

Somebody_007 said:
lol builderbobftw you amuse me. Can't you just accept the truth when its right in front of you? A 700dollar 5970 isn't as good a buy as the very slightly better performing 5850 CF for 600.

We all fail sometimes just accpet it and get over it.


YOu have a fundamental misunderstanding here.

1. 5850 CF is a HORRID idea.

It occcupies 2 PCIes, so there insn't an Upgrade path.

2. It has locked shaders. I would glady pay the 100$ to get the 5970, wich is 2 5870 cores with a small downclock.

3. Look at at this way.

You can ahve 2 5850s that occupie 2 PCIes and make upgrades impssoble,

or

YOu can have 2 5870s jammed onto 1 chip for only 100$ more.
May 31, 2010 3:12:38 PM

say what you will but stock clocked the 5970 does not outperform the 5850 CF. And it runs much hotter. You cannot say its 2 5870's in one card because although that may be true it will never perform like a 2 5870's.

And you can trifire or quadfire can't you?
May 31, 2010 3:21:22 PM

Ys, yes you can.
lol.

And it is faster.

And you can Quad/Trifire no problem.

And you're strarting to piss me off.

Read the damn rewiew, it is faster!
May 31, 2010 3:33:45 PM

I have read the review whats whith it?
May 31, 2010 4:11:59 PM

It shows that the 5970 is bewteen a 5870Cf and a 5850CF

Preforms like a 5870Cf Clock for CLock
May 31, 2010 8:49:31 PM

Clock for clock nvidia 4xx cards own everything out there whats your point?

lol it is a downclocked 5870 CF system lol. Obviously it performs like one. Look at all three becnhmarks you will see that in the majority the 5850 CF system is slightly faster. And it costs a 100dollars less. Which makes it better when it comes to price/performance ratio.
May 31, 2010 8:50:48 PM

No!

The 5850Cf doesn't outperform a 5870Cf at the same clocks!

And even then , you lose the optionb to upgrade!

NO!

NO!

NO!

NO!

NO!

NO!
May 31, 2010 11:56:55 PM

builderbob you need to calm down wow...

OP if you're looking for the best single card the 5970 is it, but in terms of value it is not the best. Then again the higher up the hierarchy you go you get diminishing returns on performance. It is all highly subjective and it depends on your preference, but if you want the best then the 5970 is it. If you want the best single chip card ATI has then the 5870 is more than competent for any game on the market (excluding metro 2033 with its nvidia twimtbp bullsh*t)

If you're looking to make some room in the budget for a 5970 consider this motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423. It can run three double slot graphics cards at x16, x8 and x8 at a fraction of the cost as well as sata and usb 3.0
June 1, 2010 12:45:31 AM

paigeinfull said:
builderbob you need to calm down wow...

OP if you're looking for the best single card the 5970 is it, but in terms of value it is not the best. Then again the higher up the hierarchy you go you get diminishing returns on performance. It is all highly subjective and it depends on your preference, but if you want the best then the 5970 is it. If you want the best single chip card ATI has then the 5870 is more than competent for any game on the market (excluding metro 2033 with its nvidia twimtbp bullsh*t)

If you're looking to make some room in the budget for a 5970 consider this motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423. It can run three double slot graphics cards at x16, x8 and x8 at a fraction of the cost as well as sata and usb 3.0


The 5870 is not sufficaint for 19x12.

It can abrly handle games now, nevermind in a few years.
June 1, 2010 3:23:46 AM

You're really funny bob. I guess when I play games at my higher resolution on a single 5770 it must be a slideshow.

I don't mind when you suggest somebody get a 5970 but don't make it sound mandatory and give false information.
June 1, 2010 5:56:56 AM

I have a 470gtx and a 9800gt. I haven't bothered to install the 470 because my 9800 can handle every game I've thrown at it till now without lag. Exept crysis when I didn't stand still that really was a slideshow when put the settings on highest.

The fact is ther aren't many games out there very intensive because most are designed to run on consoles aswell. Exept crysis. Metro is also a pretty intesive game but that is round about were it stops. Simply because most popular games are designed for a wider audiance than just hardcore gamers.

Read the benchmarks the 5850 CF is equal or slightly faster than a 5970 and cheaper. You can upgrade just as much because 2 5970's would be the same as 4 5850's. And you can't get more than 2 5970's. And if you really want upgradebility than 5870 is the way to go which allows for more upgradability than a 5970.

So IMO if you like your wallet go 5870 or 5850CF. If you really only want one(hot) card in your system. Go 5970. And if you intend to upgrade to the best of the best in the future go 5870.

just my 2cents.
June 1, 2010 4:28:01 PM

Thanks for all the replies. I have been thinking about this. What i have come to is that i will go for the 5870 this time. As somebody_007 said, there are not that many games that can take the full advantage of 5970. The card could easily be replaced by a stronger card at a later time. They will probably get cheaper and more games would be supported.

As for the rest of the I7 is the way to go. Today I have been at a course with Intel. The demonstrated some futures and showed us the technology inside those tiny chips. Its impressive how the I7 are handling data at a amazing speed.

Besides the gpu, any other input on the setup? If I where to put another 100-200 in it, what should that be?
June 1, 2010 4:50:56 PM

I would put it in the case and periphirals. Since the system is actually very good. You could improve it but it would just make a difference in benchmarks. Because in the real world this is pretty darn fast.

Did you decide to go with dominator GT's? They may be the best sticks in the market but they are more designed for world record performance than actually for a casual build.
June 1, 2010 6:31:37 PM

You are right, i will find a good case and have some water cooling for the cpu. I will make sure to upload some pictures when the time comes.

In many of my previous builds, the bottleneck have been ram. Earlier i have tended to get an higher amount of GB in stead of putting the money into the speed. I also have some bad (and expensive) with overcloking ram. I wanted some reinsurance :) 
June 1, 2010 8:13:48 PM

When you say watercooling for the cpu do you mean a complete system or like an h50 or coolit domino? Because the latter just perform like air coolers.

The dominator GT is overkill but if that's your choice then I'm not going to stop you.

I really hope you enjoy your build :D 
June 1, 2010 10:15:33 PM

paigeinfull said:
You're really funny bob. I guess when I play games at my higher resolution on a single 5770 it must be a slideshow.

I don't mind when you suggest somebody get a 5970 but don't make it sound mandatory and give false information.


Well, yes, if you play real geame on max settings.

Ie: Crysis, Metro, BC2, Oblivion with mod packs etc.

My 4870 1g i sfaster thsan your 5770 and it fails at pushing my 19x12 moniter in most games.

Rune some games well, like MW2, but that a *** game graphics wise.
June 2, 2010 11:18:55 AM

Oblivion???? I ran that game on max with a pentium for with some shitty ati card from the middle ages on high settings. It might have been 1200X1000 but you could easily run that game with a 5770
June 2, 2010 7:31:55 PM

^

NO!

Oblivion with the hardcore mod packs.

Not oblivion normal game.

Try Oblivion with a few mod packs, 32aa 16af, see how that 5770 does.
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