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May 31, 2010 7:20:16 PM

I am building a system primarily for video transfer/rendering of miniDV tapes (both SD and HD format), not for gaming. I am using Dell computer (Studio XPS series) as a guidance.

Will AMD Phenomâ„¢ II X6 1055T and ATI Radeon HD 5450 do a decent job? I intent to keep the budget under $1K.

Any advice will be very appreciated as well as suggestions on other components such as case and monitor.

May 31, 2010 9:28:25 PM

Actually YOU WANT nVidia card ! WITH OpenGL 3.X

Look at Zotac and PNY and EVGA cards ... VERIFY the OpenGL ver is at least 3.0 (3.2 is desirable)

A few options ... proper airflow is needed for passively cooled cards ....

My requirements are identical to your own, except I require silence, for live audio recording ... If you do voice-overs or accoustic recording, choose the first, fanless card (still needs a really quiet 120mm case fan pointed at it) ... I'm gettin two 240s.

The second card is a true, single slot card (very handy) and is lower power than a standard 9800 ... it gets all it's pwr from the cardbus slot and will fit any case ... it also will do SLI ... it only pulls 75Watts max per card .. great for multi-mon x3 or x4

The 3rd card is a noisier, two slot card ... it is faster and will game.

You *DO* want nVidia ... (you do).


ZOTAC ZT-20404-20L GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
PNY VCG98GTEE1XPB GeForce 9800 GT EE 1024MB Graphics Card - 1024MB, GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, Stereo, Dual VGA Support

ZOTAC ZT-20109-10P GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 31, 2010 9:31:30 PM

PS ... An AM3 955(BE) or 965(BE) with a good cooler should be PLENTY for what you are doing ...

BUT ... *IF* shorter output renders are VERY important (or if using CS5 to edit), you MAY wish to step up to an X58/930 based platform ... do not stop in between the two choices I have given ... or ... you will be wasting money and time.

= Alvin =
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May 31, 2010 11:27:32 PM

Alvin Smith said:
PS ... An AM3 955(BE) or 965(BE) with a good cooler should be PLENTY for what you are doing ...

BUT ... *IF* shorter output renders are VERY important (or if using CS5 to edit), you MAY wish to step up to an X58/930 based platform ... do not stop in between the two choices I have given ... or ... you will be wasting money and time.

= Alvin =


Alvin,

Thank you for your outstanding suggestions. I'll go with AM3 955(BE) and PNY VCG98GTEE1XPB GeForce 9800 GT EE 1024MB. Since I am just an amateur editor, I probably use Pinnacle Studio V. 14 instead of Adobe CS5 for starter.

Any suggestion on the memory? Would 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 2 DIMMs do the trick?

Thanks again and wish you had a wonderful Memorial Day weekend.

David
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June 1, 2010 10:21:53 AM

Pinnacle is owned by AVID ... they will squeeze you for every dime, at every turn and VEGAS IS WAY BETTER (and easier and more fun ... interactive/animated tutorials are context sensitive and always available ... whatever you are doing ... steps you thru).

SONY Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9 Pro Pack @ $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Your RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
$120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BE CERTAIN TO GET THAT PNY CARD FROM TIGER ... YOU WANT "PB" and "EE" in the part# ... newegg HAS ONE ALMOST IDENTICAL ... NO "PB" ... NO OpenGL 3.x .
... Don't get the one that newegg sells ... it is not the correct "sub-sub" ("PB") model.

= Alvin =
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June 1, 2010 5:42:10 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Pinnacle is owned by AVID ... they will squeeze you for every dime, at every turn and VEGAS IS WAY BETTER (and easier and more fun ... interactive/animated tutorials are context sensitive and always available ... whatever you are doing ... steps you thru).

SONY Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9 Pro Pack @ $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Your RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
$120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BE CERTAIN TO GET THAT PNY CARD FROM TIGER ... YOU WANT "PB" and "EE" in the part# ... newegg HAS ONE ALMOST IDENTICAL ... NO "PB" ... NO OpenGL 3.x .
... Don't get the one that newegg sells ... it is not the correct "sub-sub" ("PB") model.

= Alvin =


Your knowledge and attention to detail are impressive. If you don't mind, I might as well ask your recommendations for the rest of system configurations:

o Case
o Mother Board
o Power Supply
o Hard Drive
o Sound Card - may sound odd to you, but this is not a critical item for my projects
o Firewire, USB interface, etc.
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June 2, 2010 1:23:14 AM

Did you say you wanted the 890FX/955(BE) or the X58/930 ??

4GB or 8GB ram ??

One or two gpu cards (2 monitors or more than 2 ?? )

How much do you want to spend on Audio ?? ($0 = mobo audio ... $200+ = XLR combo x2 w/sw).

What edit sw ?? Vegas? ... Liquid? ... Premiere LE ?

How is all your current master video archives stored? VHS? .. DV-25? .. HDV? .. AVCHD?

... What do you see yourself (actually) doing, in the coming 4+ years?

= Alvin =
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June 2, 2010 1:33:27 AM


OK ... DV-25 and HDV ... prolly MP4/H.264 to YouTube, etc. ??

That ... for under $1000 ?? ... USING your HDTV as a mon? ... Do you have one?

I assume you already have kb/mouse/spkrs ... What model HDTV and Monitor ??

Win-64Pro included in price ?

= lemme know =

= Al =
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June 2, 2010 2:52:57 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Did you say you wanted the 890FX/955(BE) or the X58/930 ?? 955(BE)

4GB or 8GB ram ?? 4 GB

One or two gpu cards (2 monitors or more than 2 ?? ) one

How much do you want to spend on Audio ?? ($0 = mobo audio ... $200+ = XLR combo x2 w/sw). minimal

What edit sw ?? Vegas? ... Liquid? ... Premiere LE ? Vegas

How is all your current master video archives stored? VHS? .. DV-25? .. HDV? .. AVCHD? miniDV tapes (mostly in DV format, some in HD format). Camera is Sony HDR-FX1 (3CCD)

... What do you see yourself (actually) doing, in the coming 4+ years? I'll PM you on this

= Alvin =


Budget is flexible, 1K is just a starting point. Monitor has not been determined yet, looked at Dell STB2210

You recommend Win7-64 Pro over Win7-64 Home Premium?
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June 2, 2010 5:17:27 PM

Yes ... Win64-Pro.

Understand all of what you said.

Will do a build for you (prolly tonite) ... Will stay conscious of budget.

If you already have an HDTV, that would be fine ... 32"~48" optimal .. 120Hz 1080P mandatory.

Otherwise ... Look for a good (ASUS?) 1920x1200 LCD mon with refresh of under 6ms.

Best would be a 24"~28" 1920x1200 (workspace) and a 22"~48" 1080P HDTV (output).

Does it need to be especially quiet? ... double as an HTPC? ... game much?

= Al =

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June 2, 2010 7:10:43 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Yes ... Win64-Pro.

Understand all of what you said.

Will do a build for you (prolly tonite) ... Will stay conscious of budget. Need not to be too conscious ;)  , thanks Alvin.

If you already have an HDTV, that would be fine ... 32"~48" optimal .. 120Hz 1080P mandatory.

Otherwise ... Look for a good (ASUS?) 1920x1200 LCD mon with refresh of under 6ms.

Best would be a 24"~28" 1920x1200 (workspace) and a 22"~48" 1080P HDTV (output).

Does it need to be especially quiet? No ... double as an HTPC? No ... game much? No Almost like a standalone system for occasional use.

= Al =

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June 2, 2010 7:52:19 PM

got it ... I sent you the preliminary sketch config in that PM I replied to.

I'll get actual links and do your total tonite.

= Al =
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June 3, 2010 5:17:04 AM


HERE IS YOUR COMPUTE CORE

ASRock 890FX DELUXE3 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Worldwide exclusive 4 x USB3.0 ports, Turbo UCC @ $155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
Free HDMI cable w/ purchase, ends 6/30 @ $180 ("C" stepping .. 125W !! )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Scythe SCKTN-3000 92mm Sleeve "KATANA3" 3Heat Pipes CPU Cooler @ $29
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound @ $10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
1x Winner of Customer Choice Award - Desktop Memory @ $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SO ... COMPUTE CORE SUB-TOTAL = $494

= more to come =


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June 3, 2010 5:48:23 AM


THIS CARD IS THE HEART OF YOUR GRAPHICS COMPUTE/DISPLAY SUB-SYSTEM
(DO NOT make substitutions without VERIFYING ... OpenGL 3.x Support ! )

ZOTAC ZT-20109-10P GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI @ $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Two other options are available ... One is a single slot low power card and another is a silent card ... ALL viable options fall between $92 and $130

Next to the CPU, this is the most KEY component and "good options" are few ... GPU research has garnered the bulk of my research (time) since I arrived, here.
... Tricky getting just the right GPU so, if you go with something else, you should run it by *ME* !

We can discuss monitors and appropriate cables and adapters ... I need to know if you will have an HDTV near the computer and that model# (if so .. recommended!).

I also need to know if $330 sounds like too much for a 28" monitor.

= Al =
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June 3, 2010 2:19:18 PM

Alvin Smith said:
HERE IS YOUR COMPUTE CORE

ASRock 890FX DELUXE3 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Worldwide exclusive 4 x USB3.0 ports, Turbo UCC @ $155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
Free HDMI cable w/ purchase, ends 6/30 @ $180 ("C" stepping .. 125W !! )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Scythe SCKTN-3000 92mm Sleeve "KATANA3" 3Heat Pipes CPU Cooler @ $29
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound @ $10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
1x Winner of Customer Choice Award - Desktop Memory @ $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SO ... COMPUTE CORE SUB-TOTAL = $494

I assume that the Ripsaws memory will work well with ASRock AMD platform motherboard without BIOS timing tweaking. Some customers expressed their concerns about crashes and error messages.

= more to come =

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June 3, 2010 2:39:00 PM

Alvin Smith said:
THIS CARD IS THE HEART OF YOUR GRAPHICS COMPUTE/DISPLAY SUB-SYSTEM
(DO NOT make substitutions without VERIFYING ... OpenGL 3.x Support ! )

ZOTAC ZT-20109-10P GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI @ $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Two other options are available ... One is a single slot low power card and another is a silent card ... ALL viable options fall between $92 and $130

Next to the CPU, this is the most KEY component and "good options" are few ... GPU research has garnered the bulk of my research (time) since I arrived, here.
... Tricky getting just the right GPU so, if you go with something else, you should run it by *ME* ! OF COURSE. How about the PNY VCG98GTEE1XPB GeForce 9800 GT EE 1024MB Graphics Card you recommended earlier for my application?

We can discuss monitors and appropriate cables and adapters ... I need to know if you will have an HDTV near the computer and that model# (if so .. recommended!). Probably not, my desk is not that big.

I also need to know if $330 sounds like too much for a 28" monitor.

I assume you are referring to the I-Inc iH-282HPB 28" monitor from Tiger Direct. I was thinking about Dell STB2210 since I have a gift card from BestBuy that sell them. It's 2ms slower but has higher contrast ratio; your thoughts?

= Al =



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June 3, 2010 5:11:01 PM

You will have to manually enter the published timings, on the RAM data-sheet and *SAVE* them, in the BIOS, NO MATTER WHAT RAM you buy ... and, as with *ANY* RAM you buy, you *may* need to up the voltages by as much as .03Volts to get it stable, at rated spec.

As with ANY RAM ... there is about a ~2%~3% RMA rate ... half of those returns are noob morons who can't log onto a forum and get help with it.

This is THE STANDARD RAM kit that WE ALL recommend for ALL AM3 mobos and, also, ALL INTEL 1156 mobos ... There are even triple channel kits for the 1366/X58 mobos. I have personally "sold" them to over 100 customers and have personally witnessed over 1000 kits sold ... NEVER (even once) has anyone come back on me to even ask about tweaks ... If they did ... I'd send them to our OC forum, just down the hall.

If you would rather go Corsair, at 1333/CAS8 ... no prob, .. no worries ... I doubt you would see/feel the difference, except that the RipJaws might cut 12 minutes off of a 5 hour HDV/H.264 output render. Whatever makes you comfortable ... not any really big deal (performance-wise).

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DELL monitors are generally "very good". according to their reviews ... I worked at DELL and they aren't any "worse" than any other major system builder ... Also, there is MUCH to be said about local purchase ... local inspection (for dead pixels) ... Local returns/exchanges ... and no shipping (offsets local taxes on heavy stuff).

MY BIG PROBLEM , with your choice is that it is 22 inches ... TOO DARNED SMALL FOR VIDEO EDITING ... PERIOD !

Get a monitor that is 24 inches to 28.5 inches because you WILL NEED the REAL ESTATE and your old eyes ain't what they used to be. I cannot emphasize the disadvantage of a 22" mon enough, here.

Edit sessions can be longish ... the screen will be very crowded and cluttered with LOTS of small text and tiny icons ... DO YOUR OLD SELF A FAVOR ! ... Your clients and your talent (actors) may also wish to sit next to you and review footage or participate in the edit process.

Do what you want but, this is my 3rd NLE/Edit rig and I have ALWAYS had two monitors and two 19" CRTs provided an only marginally useful environment, for *MY* needs. Arguably ... display real estate is the most enabling (or hindering) aspect of the edit rig.

Your choice, ... your money ... your time ... just don't tell me if you plan to "buck" this (my best) advice, because I would perceive that (all) my efforts had been wasted, to cap such a rig with such a crappy human interface.

PS: Since a bigger screen also means a bigger "subject" ... Given *YOUR* particular subject matter ... that might be very flattering ! (ha ha).

Drives are also important ...

I want to dedicate another lengthy post, to that, because of how the partitions are to be set up and how the workflow should be implemented, with them. (maybe later).

= Al =
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June 4, 2010 10:19:41 PM

Intel 80 GB SSD (G2 model) @ $230
Spinpoint F3 1TB HDD @ $70
ASUS SATA DVDR @ $26

You want a 250GB primary partition (fast outer tracks) as a workspace, and the rest as a secondary partition for archives and non-critical apps (games, etc.).

The Antec 300 ILLUSION case comes with adequate cooling (fans) ... "ILLUSION".
@ $60

Get THIS PSU (don't cheap out ... this is important)

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
Voted Best Power Supply Manufacturer by Custom PC 2009 @ $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That is ALL ... Approximate total (without LCD, KB, MSE, OS, SPKRS, SHIPPING)

You DO want Win64-Pro (OEM), BTW ...

TOTAL ... $1100

That is a primo rig ... very close to your starting budget ... hope that helps, a bit.

Busy, busy ... sorry for the wait.

= Al =
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June 4, 2010 10:31:27 PM

Sorry ... spaced out that you wanted the 9800-EE (PB) ... Get it from TIGER (correct sub-model) ... and knock $20 off your total ...

(actually a very good choice ... prolly the best, overall).

... NEW TOTAL ... $1,080 USD

= Al =
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June 5, 2010 4:56:38 PM

Alvin Smith said:


Your choice, ... your money ... your time ... just don't tell me if you plan to "buck" this (my best) advice, because I would perceive that (all) my efforts had been wasted, to cap such a rig with such a crappy human interface.

= Al =


No need to get upset. I am not "bucking" your advice, was merely my thoughts. Your efforts are certainly NOT wasted since I truly appreciate your assistance.

How about the other minor stuff like USB and firewire card like Rosewill PCIE FireWire 1394a Card 2+1 Ports Model RC-504 and other system interface cables or jumpers if not supplied?

Have a good weekend. I will start to order components next week.
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June 5, 2010 7:32:26 PM

The Rosewill 1x Firewire 2+1 was in my cart, before it expired (got wiped) ... Always good to have a dedicated Firewire Lane ... will allow use of external HDD or RAID during ingest (on the Native Port) ... Will also let you ingest while your DAW (Sound i/o) is plugged into another lane. ... Of the 3 ports, on that card, just use one, at a time, to insure no saturation/contention.

One of the many great features of that 9800GT-EE(PB) is that it is truly a single slot solution ... more expansion for studio peripherals and controllers or just extra USB ports. ... Low power ... gets all power from the cardbus ... will SLI ... not terribly noisy.

A few (several) folks did mention the fan would rub against the plastic shroud and the trimmed the shroud or wedged something under the shroud, to lift it slightly ... I think those folks did not have decent case cooling and the shroud might have warped ... no big deal at all, in any event ... 2 or 3% complained of that and all fixed it easily.

The only reason I switched to the ZOTAC 240 was because of passive cooling and, with lot's of "in studio" live recording (mostly effects and accoustic bridges), I need the entire rig to broadcast less than 60 Decibels ... That silence is costing me about $350 extra dollars (including the 2nd SSD so I can disconnect my spinner during live recording and still not have to resort to using the boot/apps SSD for project workspace ... My 2nd SSD also provides a dedicated "render to" pipeline, so that during LONG output renders, I can use the spinner as a streaming read drive and the scratch SSD as a destination. This means the data flows in one direction and the buffers are not flushed for every read/write op transition.

I did not spec you a VERTEX2 SSD ... they are expensive and you can get by without it ... great to have for renders, tho ... As I said ... I NEED it to record live sound wile the 1TB SAMSUNG F3 is "removed" (removable drive tray).

Fancy Schmantzy ... I know ...

BEFORE I FORGET ... You are gonna need an ICY-DOCK 2.5">3.5" drive carrier.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this one holds 2 SSDs ... if you decide to blow your budget (like me). ... $20
ICY DOCK MB990SP-B Dual 2.5" to 3.5" SSD & IDE/SATA HDD Bracket
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 5, 2010 7:46:21 PM

ALSO ...

SABRENT CRW-UINB 68-in-1 USB 2.0 Internal Card Reader w/ USB 2.0 Port supports SDHC/VISTA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Logitech MX 518 8 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 1800 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I purchased one of these ... AMAZING! ... Coffee killed it ... bought another nxt day.
Logitech 920-000914 Black 106 Normal Keys Wired Ultra-thin Illuminated Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

FINALLY ... Once you decide on a Display ... You *MIGHT* need a display adapter and be sure you also get the correct cable, for that, and that it is long enough.

I have 10 foot long Firewirex2/USBx2/HDMIx2 (all in a bundled-snake) and it reaches the couch, on the far side of the room (I have 52" LCD).



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June 7, 2010 3:07:52 PM


FINALLY ... Once you decide on a Display ... You *MIGHT* need a display adapter and be sure you also get the correct cable, for that, and that it is long enough.

Dell will have a sale on ST2410 for $190, what do you think about that monitor?

Also in case of power outage any suggestion on UPS?
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June 7, 2010 8:03:17 PM

DELL has a good reputation for vetting very decent displays ... They always seem to get good reviews.

Yes ... I see 24" as entry level, for prosumer graphics and any "time-line"-based content-creation layouts. ... Two monitors, IMO ... Try it ... you will NEVER go back.

UPS ? ... I have sold a lot of them, to "conservative" clients ... Personally? ... I prefer to just hope I am not one of the (statistically few) unlucky ones.

Just do a full-tree back (drag-n-drop) of your content drive, every week or even once a month, unless you have legal contracts and accounts receivable, riding on it.

But to just answer ... APC American Power Conversion ... Get one that has software for remote shut-down (usually RS-232 based control) ... get one that can keep your PSU going at normal load for ~20 minutes.

Windows is MUCH better at recovering from hard crashes than in those OLD DAYS, when UPSs made up for that instability.

Living in Austin (where the weather changes every 15 minutes ... I might go for a good surge suppressor ... that makes more economic sense, to me.

= APC =

If you are a TRUE FREAK ... Go for a TRUE uninterruptible AC>DC>AC design so that you are ALWAYS running off of PURE/CLEAN battery based "purely sinusoidal" power wave-form. You gonna pay BIG tho ... leave all that crap to the enterprize market.

Mostly a feel good thing ... peace of mind, etc. ... and a really good PSU. like a $150 Seasonic would go further toward protecting your system with "well conditionned" power and surge tolerance.

If your neighborhood has frequent brown-outs and power outages ... yeah ... sure.

= Al =
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June 8, 2010 2:38:08 AM

= APC =

I'll go with APC, thanks.

Anything else that I forgot or that are not included with mobo or case? How about SATA data and power cables, miscellaneous internal system cables if I want usb ports in front as well as Sabrent internal card reader?
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June 8, 2010 8:19:24 PM

Alvin Smith said:
You get two SATA data cable w you mobo ... get a 3rd for your optical DVDR ... right angle connector ... 18" length ... locking/latching ... thin-slim-line ... ~$3

Any preferences on SATA DVD-ROM drives and DVD burners? They are just commodities nowadays, I am thinking about get one of each for copying purpose.

Also ... This ...

You are funny Dude! :pt1cable: 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/638191-REG/PNY_Te...

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June 8, 2010 8:35:59 PM

Look at all the specs and photos, for that DELL monitor and suss out all the connections, in your head ...

... Inevitably, we will "forget" a few items or options or accessories or adapters, etc.

... That is what Fry's and your local network supply store are there for. Even I, ... "Alvin Smith" ... "Expert Extraordinaire" ... often forget a few trinkets, with any given build ... There will be at least one "V8 Moment" in your future .. Accept it.

= Burp = (escuse meee)

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June 8, 2010 9:05:54 PM

YOU WROTE :

Any preferences on SATA DVD-ROM drives and DVD burners? They are just commodities nowadays, I am thinking about get one of each for copying purpose.

MY REPLY :

ASUS, SAMSUNG, SONY, (Light-Scribe costs $2 ... get)

I would suggest TWO IDENTICAL DVDR BURNERS ... WHY ?

The MAIN reason ... Bulk media compatibility and 2x Drive multi-burn production.

Other reasons (and mitigators) Will try yo prioritize.

(1) Simplified Driver Compatibility and driver updates.
(2) Price for a true burner, rather than a reader is neglegable ... more "portable value".
(3) General utility (can convert to external) .. Can use to spawn other/future builds.

The point is that your purchase is actually "birthing a new physical part, into this world"

WTF ?? .. Since the cost diff may only be $5, "birth" a more useful and "salvagable" Part. Someone else may end up with this part ... THEY might want Light-Scribe ... Even if you don't ... They might find it at the GoodWill Industries PC Salvage Center (We have a huge one with a "PC Meuseum", here, in Austin).

I'm just saying ... Do YOUR PART ... Bring quality parts into the world so that quality parts will become less expensive (through "market justified" volume). In this cost range, saving a few cents, up front, only serves to clog our land-fills .. And ... It is better to have it, and not need it, than to need it, and not to have it ... for you, and any future use or owner ... for $5.

End of Philosophy Lecture.

My recommendation ? .. One or two of THESE ... period.

SAMSUNG Black 22X ~ 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner LightScribe Support-OEM @$26ea.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you were some kid with a paper-route, I might "let you slide".

= Al =

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June 14, 2010 4:49:07 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Look at all the specs and photos, for that DELL monitor and suss out all the connections, in your head ...

... Inevitably, we will "forget" a few items or options or accessories or adapters, etc.

... That is what Fry's and your local network supply store are there for. Even I, ... "Alvin Smith" ... "Expert Extraordinaire" ... often forget a few trinkets, with any given build ... There will be at least one "V8 Moment" in your future .. Accept it.

= Burp = (escuse meee)


Wait until you get to my age! I'll probably going to forget my own name in couple of years. LOL

Did I forget about the sound card, or does it integrated with mobo already? Audio is not critical for the project.

Just let you know that parts are coming in.... Antec 300 tower is now 2.5" SSD compatible, so the ICY DOCK MB882SP-1S-2B SSD & SATA Hard Drive Converter may not be needed.

I will definitely get another monitor in the future if I do editing often, my friend used Mac and Final Cut for his and said one can even get away with 20" ones when using dual monitors.
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June 15, 2010 4:19:39 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Not to contradict ... I'd rather have one of these ... or two ... and looks decent.

ViewSonic X Series VX2739WM 27" 1ms HDMI Full HD 1080p Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ 4 port USB-hub300 cd/m2 DC 100,000:1(1200:1) Built-in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


How about the sound card question, is the basic audio built into the mobo already?
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June 15, 2010 8:01:21 AM


I think "Sushi-Dude" meant to say "onboard audio" ...

... Yes ... You can get by fine with onbd audio ... especially with your lack of any need for music composition.

= Al =
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June 16, 2010 6:41:40 PM

Quote:
Yes, onboard video is pretty good nowadays.


Thanks
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June 16, 2010 6:51:22 PM

Alvin Smith said:
I think "Sushi-Dude" meant to say "onboard audio" ...

... Yes ... You can get by fine with onbd audio ... especially with your lack of any need for music composition.

= Al =


As you suggested, I ordered win7 pro 64-bit OEM version. I understand it's a single machine use, but people told me that with oem o/s s/w, if the compute its installed on dies later, I am out of luck, is that true?
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The OEM version is married to your mobo, once validated ... but the RULES are not any better for retail ...

... The only real diff is that RETAIL is nicely boxed and you CAN NOT BUY the OEM version at a local retail outlet (brick-'n-mortar).

Even if your mobo dies ... you can call MS and "convince" them of your plight ... they WILL re-validate (give you another code), once you explain WHY the re-install is needed.

DO THE OEM. ... the retail offers NO legal or functional advantage !!!

= Al =
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June 29, 2010 3:32:46 PM

Alvin,

I am finishing up the hardware assembly and have a few questions about the cable interconnects

Mobo - ASRock 890FX Deluxe3 AM3; Case - Antec 300; PSU - Corsair CMPSU-650TX; Drives (all OEM SATA) - Intel X25 SSD, Samsung spinpoint F3 HD & two DVD burners

o Power is not a problem for these drives since PSU has plenty of daisy chained connectors. I have 4 sets of straight (comes with mobo) and 3 sets of right angled data cables; however, I can only find 2 SATA data pin connectors on the mobo (SATA8 & SATA7)??

o Back of the Samsung spinpoint HD, there is a 4-pin connector at right, where should it be connected?

o Unable to locate the termination point for these cables from the case front:

AC'97 and HDA, 2x5 9pin connector
power sw, twisted pair (green/black)
reset sw, twisted pair (blue/white)
H.D.D Led pair (blue/red)
power led+ (green)
power led- (black)

o Not sure about these from PSU - 3 harness with 8 female breakout socket at end (4+4, 6+2, 6+2)

Thanks for the help in advance.

David




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Dragon Chaser said:
Alvin,

I am finishing up the hardware assembly and have a few questions about the cable interconnects

Mobo - ASRock 890FX Deluxe3 AM3; Case - Antec 300; PSU - Corsair CMPSU-650TX; Drives (all OEM SATA) - Intel X25 SSD, Samsung spinpoint F3 HD & two DVD burners

o Power is not a problem for these drives since PSU has plenty of daisy chained connectors. I have 4 sets of straight (comes with mobo) and 3 sets of right angled data cables; however, I can only find 2 SATA data pin connectors on the mobo (SATA8 & SATA7)??

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See Section 1.3 (page 11) of your user manual (.pdf) ... There are also RAID Install and Quick Install Guides ... Here is the link.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/manual.asp?Model=890FX Deluxe3

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o Back of the Samsung spinpoint HD, there is a 4-pin connector at right, where should it be connected?

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Not tryin' to be cute ... It only fits one place and in one way ... Do the install diagrams not cover it ?
Just don't automatically assume you have the correct cables, either, if it "seems wrong".
... I'll talk you thru it if you need ... PM me (click the envelope next to my helmet).
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o Unable to locate the termination point for these cables from the case front:

AC'97 and HDA, 2x5 9pin connector
power sw, twisted pair (green/black)
reset sw, twisted pair (blue/white)
H.D.D Led pair (blue/red)
power led+ (green)
power led- (black)

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Again ... Page 11 (Section 3.1) Mobo Layout Diagram.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/manual.asp?Model=890FX Deluxe3

Please note these "connectors" are just two rows of "header pins" (they look like two rows of short metal pins that stick straight out of the mobo .... your case has a bundle of wires, leading from the front panel and there should be a small chunk of black plastic (the jumper/connector) with two or more tiny holes) on the end of each wire that stems from that front panel bundle.

Mobos have an "orientation", just like a map (North, South, East, West) ... "Pin #1", for any given socket or connector, should be aligned with all the others (on the mobo) depending on if the part is mounted "longitudinally" or, at 90 degrees (east<>west). The only reason I bring up that point is that, once you find "pin #1", on one connector, it will be more easy to find it elsewhere.

Same with "Hot and Ground " (for jumper wires) ... The default color convention is that "GRND" is going to be black (or green) ... Red is always hot (+V) and other "codes" may vary, depending on the size of the bundle ...

These days ... MOST connectors only fit on the correct way (keyed), if not forced. Some jumpers (like the PWR SWTCH jumper, just dont care (which way) because all they are doing is closing the circuit, momentarily (jumping/connecting the two pins, when you press the front PWR SWTCH.

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o Not sure about these from PSU - 3 harness with 8 female breakout socket at end (4+4, 6+2, 6+2)

Thanks for the help in advance.


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Read THIS VERY Carefully ... I will help you thru it but I am also busy so, I might be good for a few posts, each day, at the moment (My current build has been sitting here, next to me, for a week ... boxes are un-openned ... must clear out the studio and set up my build-bench and aux-lighting ... round up tools and get after it.

Read this ... ESPECIALLY CONCERNING CPU PWR CONNECTOR ! SEE PHOTOS !!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...

ALSO THIS

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-g...

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July 2, 2010 9:23:49 PM

Alvin Smith said:
The OEM version is married to your mobo, once validated ... but the RULES are not any better for retail ...

... The only real diff is that RETAIL is nicely boxed and you CAN NOT BUY the OEM version at a local retail outlet (brick-'n-mortar).

Even if your mobo dies ... you can call MS and "convince" them of your plight ... they WILL re-validate (give you another code), once you explain WHY the re-install is needed.

DO THE OEM. ... the retail offers NO legal or functional advantage !!!

= Al =


I got it from http://www.outletdeal.com/product.php?eid=10227 They have the lowest price

Finished system assembly, but before I fired it up I have couple minor questions:

Samsung spinpoint F3 SATA HD - What is the 2x2 pins on the right side for? (jumpers? OEM version, hence no instruction)

PNY VCG98GTEE1XPB GeForce 9800 GT EE 1024MB Graphics Card - Do I need to connect the tiny 2 conductor cable with one end labeled SPDIF/GND? If yes, where to?

Have a good July 4th holiday
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July 3, 2010 8:27:30 AM

Well, as far as the F3 goes, I just openned one of mine (new) and took the (cracker-jacks) manual to the bathroom, with an eight inch magnifying glass, and a lit cigarette (there was a small explosion).

Ignore that 2x2 pin "Factory Test Config Jumper Block" ... has NOTHING to do with ANYthing you will ever be doing, with that drive (including RAID and exttenals).

I know that the manual mentions jumpers, but the manual is refering to a PATA drive ... THE F3 is *NOT* a PATA drive and does not need to be told if it is a master or slave because it is a SATA-II drive, and each drive gets it's very own data/interface cable ... All SATA drives are "Single Drive Master Only" and do not use configuration jumpers ... AGAIN ... Refer to the SATA installation diagrams and (as I already said), bothe the power and the data cables only fit onto one connector and the only fit one way (just as the manual and I have told you.

As far as the 9800GT-EE goes ... Did that SPDIF cable come WITH THE 9800 ??

... If so, it is (most likely) so that the video card can pass audio thru DVI-D and/or HDMI 1.3 cables to any monitors (or HDTVs) which have built in speakers (*IF* you want to do that) ...

... That cable SHOULD run from the 9800 to a 2 pin header block, somewhere very near the REAR I/O PANEL and/or the Audio Chipset ... A close inspection of your mobo should reveal that there is a jumper marked Audio or SPDIF somewhere between the Audio I/O ports (rear panel block) and the audio chipset ... It may be located between your card slots.

I just run my audio from the rear panel (or a breakout audio interface) into my studio output mixer, along with all my DVD players, and my input mixer(s). Why? ... The speakers in my displays really suck and my sudio speakers (Two KRK Rokit RP8's) sound so much better (or my MDR-7506 "Cans"). So ... I never would bother to hook that up but some folks do use it and a carefull perusal of BOTH the manual and the support site (FAQs) for BOTH the Mobo and the 9800 may be necessary, to get it figgered out.

I ain't gonna do it this weekend but, eventually, I will help you figger out how to get that sound "pass-thru" cable all hooked up correctly (if, indeed, the 9800 will support that ... I am a little surprised that it came with one but, good to know.

= Later =
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July 3, 2010 6:27:31 PM

As far as the 9800GT-EE goes ... Did that SPDIF cable come WITH THE 9800 ??

... If so, it is (most likely) so that the video card can pass audio thru DVI-D and/or HDMI 1.3 cables to any monitors (or HDTVs) which have built in speakers (*IF* you want to do that) ...

... That cable SHOULD run from the 9800 to a 2 pin header block, somewhere very near the REAR I/O PANEL and/or the Audio Chipset ... A close inspection of your mobo should reveal that there is a jumper marked Audio or SPDIF somewhere between the Audio I/O ports (rear panel block) and the audio chipset ... It may be located between your card slots.

I just run my audio from the rear panel (or a breakout audio interface) into my studio output mixer, along with all my DVD players, and my input mixer(s). Why? ... The speakers in my displays really suck and my sudio speakers (Two KRK Rokit RP8's) sound so much better (or my MDR-7506 "Cans"). So ... I never would bother to hook that up but some folks do use it and a carefull perusal of BOTH the manual and the support site (FAQs) for BOTH the Mobo and the 9800 may be necessary, to get it figgered out.

I ain't gonna do it this weekend but, eventually, I will help you figger out how to get that sound "pass-thru" cable all hooked up correctly (if, indeed, the 9800 will support that ... I am a little surprised that it came with one but, good to know.



Alvin,

No need to spend time to figure out. Here is the reply from their tech support to share with you:

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David,

Hello, my name is Mike and work in the Technical Support Department at PNY Technology. The tiny thin SPDIF cable is only if you plan to connect a High Definition TV in the PNY graphics card for a secondary display. If you using a HDTV then you do not need to connect the SPDIF cable at all, just put it back in the box for another time and just use that video card with one or two regular DVI monitors.

Mike Roth
PNY technical Support

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Thanks for all your help and I am very grateful for all your input. Have a nice and safe holiday.

David
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July 3, 2010 6:50:13 PM

What he meant was, yeah, *IF* you are using an HDTV ... OR ... If you are using an HDMI monitor that has speakers ...

.... Tell that guy I said he is an incompetent boob. The 9800 does not have an HDMI port (native) does it?? ... Does it not require an HDMI adapter, to run to an HDMI monitor ?? ...

Regardless ... My explaination was WAY BETTER than that mealy-mouthed noob, at PNY ... It is for pass-thru audio, where the video cable also carries the audio and YES ... it is possible to use that for an HDMI monitor, that has NO TUNER (but that does have speakers.).

Do hope that helps.

= Al =
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July 6, 2010 1:52:41 AM

Duh... I may have a case of DOA. :fou:  What do you think?

Turn on the PSU switch and pressed system switch, nothing happens; not even the PSU (Corsair TX650W) case fan turning.

Will call Cosair to obtain a RMA tomorrow, can't return to Newegg for swap due to rebate since UPC was removed. Lessons learned - hold off on rebate until complete system works.


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DOH !!! IT IS *NOT* DOA !!! You dint plug it in correctly !

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Read this ... ESPECIALLY CONCERNING CPU PWR CONNECTOR ! SEE PHOTOS !!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] o-problems

ALSO THIS

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] e-building

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July 6, 2010 11:32:03 AM

Did you go over that checklist??? Fixes over 90% of "supposed DOA (won't power up) probs".

Take every point (no matter how stupid it might seem) and really check it out.

The main reason for RMAs is that folks do not think all the steps in that list apply to them.

Bet YOUR lunch money that a new PSU will not fix.

How many builds have you done?

=RTFM ! =
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July 13, 2010 6:36:43 PM

Take every point (no matter how stupid it might seem) and really check it out.

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You are right, I don't think PSU is the problem. Here is what I did:

  • Unplugged every thing from PSU except case fans and 1 HD drive to apply some load to the power supply.
  • Placed a jumper paper clip between green & black connectors for the 24-pin connector, all fans worked.
  • Removed graphic board from mobo, and plugged 24 pin connector back in ; fans again failed to work
    So seems there is a short on mobo somewhere, what is the best way to trace this short or shorts?

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    No possibility that a brass mobo standoff (misplaced) is making contact with the back side of the mobo (traces) ?

    Disconnect the front panel pwr swtch connector from mobo header ?
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    And ... Were you able to properly identify the (additional) CPU power connector and plug that in the properly keyed position ??

    Are you reading that checklist and "understanding" the photos ?

    Don't assume or overlook ANYthing ... READ EVerything !

    = Al =
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    July 15, 2010 1:31:13 AM

    Alvin Smith said:
    No possibility that a brass mobo standoff (misplaced) is making contact with the back side of the mobo (traces) ?

    Disconnect the front panel pwr swtch connector from mobo header ?


  • Disconnected everything from mobo, except cpu fan and power fan connectors.
  • Removed mobo from case and placed on a non-conductive surface, thoroughly inspected case and mobo trace underside for visible damages or scratches, found none.

  • Plugged 24-pin connector. Still nothing.

    There was an old similar case @ http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261108-30-motherboard... I don't know the outcome but should I try it?
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