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akorzan   06-01-2010 at 01:20:29 AM

Hello, I would like to have a gaming computer for around 800 dollars. The deal at Microcenter for a Core i7 860 at 199.99 caught my eye and I wanted to build a computer using this processor. Surfing Newegg I came up with this build:

Part, Total with Shipping/Tax

MICROCENTER
Core i7 860 Processor Boxed: 213.99

NEWEGG
GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 Micro ATX: 112.55
G.SKILL ECO Series (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333: 122.98
Western Digital Caviar Black 1.5TB 7.2K RPM 64MB SATA3.0: 109.99
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VXL Radeon HD 5770 1GB: 186.97 - 10 (Rebate)
LG Black Model GH22LS50 SATA LightScribe Support - OEM: 25.99
Noctua NH-U9B SE2 92mm SSO CPU Cooler: 62.98
CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W: 49.99 - 10 (Rebate)
Micro ATX Case: No More than 70

Total Around 950


Now this is alot of money for a PC with average graphics. I am wondering whether a cheap AMD build with a 5850 for less would be better for me.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: June, approximately 800.00 USD

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Programming, ..., Internet

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, mouse, speakers, monitor, Windows (I'll buy OEM from Newegg on top of the expenses of the build)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

PARTS PREFERENCES: 5850 GPU, 4GB Ram

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Only if a dual card setup is cheaper and more powerful than the 5850

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: My games of interest are Battlefield Badcompany 2, Crysis Warhead, and Warrock

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ninelivesproductions   06-02-2010 at 12:02:13 AM

Honestly, You can get a Phenom II x4 965 for 20-40 less and the difference in preformance isn't TOO bad... Phenoms are very easy to overclock. You should get an ASUS amd motherboard if you go down that road. Unless you have more than one monitor a 5850 is really just a waste of money. You will only notice a big improvement as opposed to the 5770 in SOME games. I would stick with the 5770 as it is more than enough for 1080p. Id say that you'd get an average of about 60fps+ on most games with the 5770 and that monitor res.

Your build isn't very balanced if you're buying a card that costs more than your cpu..

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batuchka   06-02-2010 at 06:35:30 AM
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http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/batuchka/Untitled-105.jpg
I would place a distance of a 10 feet pole between Full HD Crysis Warhead/BC2 and a HD 5770 for best results ^^


Message edited by batuchka on 06-02-2010 at 06:38:40 AM
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akorzan   06-02-2010 at 03:54:31 PM

Thank you so much... I decided to go a little over myself and am looking at this set up:
Prices are after Shipping/Tax.
MICROCENTER
Core i7 860 Processor Boxed: 213.99

NEWEGG
ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0: 189.99
GIGABYTE GV-R585OC-1GD Radeon HD 5850: 317.55
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600: 119.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache: 79.99
SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze 620W: 110.17
LIAN LI PC-A05NB Black Aluminum ATX Mini Tower: 104.98
LG Black Model GH22LS50 SATA LightScribe Support – OEM: 25.99
Noctua NH-U9B SE2 92mm SSO CPU Cooler: 62.98
TOTAL 1225.63

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akorzan   06-02-2010 at 03:59:43 PM

But that combo with PSU sure looks sweet, but I really want the Gigabyte card since it's non reference design is supposed to be quieter. And all my life I have been using silent cards with their "silent pipe technology."

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akorzan   06-02-2010 at 04:01:16 PM

400 dollars cheaper is alot of money... ugh, but I am throwing at this core i7 build a 100 dollar case and 60 dollar cooler and a 110 dollar power-supply. I probably can cut some prices there.

For games there is no difference in those builds, except for the money left in my pockets. But I use many heavy and intensive programs that benefit from the Core i7.

I would still throw at your set up, batuchka, the Noctua UH-9B and a different case with a different DVD player. That would add probably raise the price by 100 to it.

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cmcghee358   06-02-2010 at 07:00:25 PM

ninelivesproductions wrote :

Honestly, You can get a Phenom II x4 965 for 20-40 less and the difference in preformance isn't TOO bad... Phenoms are very easy to overclock. You should get an ASUS amd motherboard if you go down that road. Unless you have more than one monitor a 5850 is really just a waste of money. You will only notice a big improvement as opposed to the 5770 in SOME games. I would stick with the 5770 as it is more than enough for 1080p. Id say that you'd get an average of about 60fps+ on most games with the 5770 and that monitor res.

Your build isn't very balanced if you're buying a card that costs more than your cpu..



Im not trying to pick on you here, but for the 5770, it pretty much tops out at 1680x1050. Most AMD users know the 965 is 20 dollars down the toilet as a 955 BE can immediately be clocked to 3.4GHz without adjustment of vCore, just tweak the multiplier and poof 965.

And this: "Your build isn't very balanced if you're buying a card that costs more than your cpu." hasn't made sense since 2004. Now days in a gaming build the GPU is going to cost more than the CPU 9 times out of 10.

------------------------------ i5-2500k / H70 / MSI P67-GD80 / Antec 1200 / 8 GB DD3-1600 C9 / 2x40 GB Intel SSDs / 2.25 Misc TB HDDs / amBX Professional Lighting and Sound / Seasonic X750 80+ Gold / Diamond 5970 + Sapphire 5870 2GB DDR5 Eyefinity6 5760x1080
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cmcghee358   06-02-2010 at 07:00:58 PM

akorzan wrote :

400 dollars cheaper is alot of money... ugh, but I am throwing at this core i7 build a 100 dollar case and 60 dollar cooler and a 110 dollar power-supply. I probably can cut some prices there.

For games there is no difference in those builds, except for the money left in my pockets. But I use many heavy and intensive programs that benefit from the Core i7.

I would still throw at your set up, batuchka, the Noctua UH-9B and a different case with a different DVD player. That would add probably raise the price by 100 to it.



Ditch the i7 build and simply go with an Athlon IIx4 or Phenom IIx4 AMD build. Even the intel guys on here agree that if your intent is strictly gaming and you have a tight budget, AMD is the only choice.

------------------------------ i5-2500k / H70 / MSI P67-GD80 / Antec 1200 / 8 GB DD3-1600 C9 / 2x40 GB Intel SSDs / 2.25 Misc TB HDDs / amBX Professional Lighting and Sound / Seasonic X750 80+ Gold / Diamond 5970 + Sapphire 5870 2GB DDR5 Eyefinity6 5760x1080
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akorzan   06-02-2010 at 11:12:52 PM

Ok... So I threw together this build using all of your recommendations and a bit of my stubborness:
I really like the mini-tower from LIAN LI that still allows a full ATX board, but it costs 105 bucks. And the heatsink from Noctua is a must for me, I have it on my Core 2 Duo and it's only 15dB O_o.

GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX and Phenom II X4 965BE Combo: $260
http://www.newegg.com/Store/ComboD [...] rds&Page=2

HIS H585FN1GD Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 and Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Combo: $360
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.408233

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 7-8-7-24-2N @ 1.65 Volts: $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231303

LIAN LI PC-A05NB Black Aluminum ATX Mini Tower: $90 + 15 for shipping = $105
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811112218

LG Black Model GH22LS50 SATA LightScribe Support - OEM: $26
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] upport%20-

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache: $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] %20HD103SJ

Noctua NH-U9B SE2 92mm SSO CPU Cooler: $60 + 3 for shipping: $63
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] U%20Cooler

Total: 1004 w/ AMD 965
And: 984 w/ AMD 955


Message edited by akorzan on 06-02-2010 at 11:18:40 PM
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ninelivesproductions   06-02-2010 at 11:15:51 PM

Very good choice except Get a 955 black edition, you can overclock it to 3.4 GHz EASY just like cmcgee said. Get a gigabyte and 955be combo!

------------------------------ "But there's no sense crying over every mistake.
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake." -GLaDOS
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akorzan   06-02-2010 at 11:22:15 PM

The thing is, now with these combos especially for the Video Card and PSU, I can bring the Core i7 build i posted down to only 100 dollars more! SO WORTH IT! Yes, I do know that i originally said 800 bucks for the build, but adding quality secondary ingredients (hehe) like the case and heat-sink, rises the price of the AMD build.

I am going to post the upgraded Intel build with the combos and see how low it goes... if the difference between the AMD build is around a 100, then I might as well go with the Intel.

NOTE: This build is not just for games... I DO need the extra power for CPU intensive tasks such as Music Production and Program Compiling to Floating Point power.


Message edited by akorzan on 06-02-2010 at 11:24:34 PM
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akorzan   06-03-2010 at 12:04:06 AM

OK: A Core i7 build would use the same parts except for the motherboard and processor listed above.

Motherboard would be the:
ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 for 190 dollars
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131621

and the processor would be from Microcenter for 200 on-line or 214 after tax from their store:
Core i7 860 Processor Boxed
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0317378

Total: 1158 dollars

Compared to the 984 dollar AMD Build, I certainly don't mind the extra cost especially since the Core i7 has nearly 50 percent more MegaFLOPS than the Phenom II 965. Tom's charts actually lack the Core i7 860 but have the 870 instead. Compared to the 965, Core i7 gets 58 MFLOPS and the AMD 965 gets 39. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts [...] ,1389.html


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