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June 1, 2010 6:09:59 AM

hi guys, i'm new to this community and the pc building world.. i would like to learn more about pc building without burning the wallet.. i have 2 pc builds that i wish to enquire. first i am thinking of building a low budget pc build for my mum for her needs and to gain some experience. secondly i need a build to get my own gaming pc up and running.. here are the details..

for my mum:

date of purchase: within two weeks from today(01/06/2010)
system usage: movie viewing(mkv, avi and such), running microsoft office processes, lastly surfing the web.
parts not require: monitor
preferred website: newegg and tigerdirect
parts reference: none at all. i have never tried AMD processors but i've been hearing some good things abt it so i would like to try it. but if an intel can perform better for lower pricing i'll go with it too..
overclocking: none as i'm totally new.(but it'll be nice to have something i can try overclocking with)
monitor resolution: 1920x1080
budget: no real budget but i'm looking to get as cheap a deal as i could as long as they could handle movie viewing, office processes and surfing the web very smoothly..

so ya.. mainly i need a build for a computer that can run these three things smoothly and with good audio and image quality for as cheap a price as possible.. after all i'm learning to build it and i wont want to fry a expensive cpu or something of that sort.. main problem i experience is that while playing mkv files the computer does slow down quite significantly and at extreme times the picture will flash instead of playing as a steady stream. do note that i do not need something slightly better, cause only these three things will be done on the computer, there wont be any sort of gaming, skyping, vid editing or anything.. just office, movies and web.. even a mini itx will do if its cheaper and space saving. actually if the price difference between a mid tower and a mini itx is abt 100 i'll probably go with the itx to save space.


for myself:

date of purchase: within a month from today(01/06/2010)
system usage: movie viewing(mkv, avi and such), able to game smoothly with games such as l4d2, crysis, dawn of war etc, running microsoft office processes, lastly surfing the web.
parts not require: monitor
preferred website: newegg and tigerdirect
parts preference: was thinking abt going with amd x6 1090t black edition but i do not have the expertise to judge if that is necessary, an overkill or not good enough.
overclocking: none as i'm totally new.(but it'll be nice to have something i can try overclocking with)
monitor resolution: 1920x1080
budget: no real budget but i'm looking to get as cheap a deal as i could as long as they could handle movie viewing, games, office processes and surfing the web very smoothly..

yup.. mainly in this case i need a build for a computer that can run these above mentioned processes smoothly for as cheap a price as possible.. i'm hoping to get a build that could enable to game smoothly for most games with good or high settings.. i do not require some high fps rating or 3d benchmark rating, but i do hate low resolution or pixelated images in games.. i juz need something cheap that runs most games and handle my video watching and schoolwork efficiently and i'm looking to keep my computer on for long hours, which probably means i need a good cooling system.. as mentioned above, no vid editing or photoshoping or such will be done so i dun think i will need any i7 extreme or gtx480 or such..

lastly the both builds i'm looking to get as cheap as possible but i'm open to all opinions and options.. i'm not setting a limit for the budget but i do hope you guys can advise me on the cheapest goods as i know i'll definitely be able to those with an i7 extreme and those kind of high end stuff.. if its not too much to ask i would like a few options for the graphic cards and cpus for both builds..

thanks a million and i wish that i did not confuse any of u guys.. all help will be greatly and deeply appreciated..

astonG.

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June 1, 2010 6:25:00 AM

I hope you understand that we all do alot of builds with alot of different budgets.

But for me, budget is one of the most important things that we use to gauge parts. So if it's not too much trouble just toss out a ballpark estimated budget for each build please :) 
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June 1, 2010 7:04:35 AM

ok.. i think roughly the computer for my mum would hopefully cost lesser than 500 and the one for me maybe about 800-1200? is my prices reasonable or am i juz asking for too much at too small a limit? do let me know.. thanks cmcghee358 for ur response..
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June 1, 2010 7:08:14 AM

No those are fine budgets, I'll get together 2 builds for you. It will be a cut and paste and might be a tad messy. I'll get back with you within 20 minutes or so.
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June 1, 2010 7:11:58 AM

wow thanks.. thats fast.. it'll be great if i could get a few options for the cpu and graphics card though.. but if its a hassle its fine that u juz give ur best opinion.. thanks alot cmcghee358
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June 1, 2010 7:22:29 AM

Your "mum's" build:

quantity of item 1

SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223C - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151192
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options27-151-192|hide options27-151-192)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info27-151-192.0.18)

1 year: $6.99
2 year: $11.99
$21.99
select item 2 quantity of item 2

COOLER MASTER Elite RC-310-SWN1-GP Black SECC / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811119204
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $39.99
select item 3 quantity of item 3

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152181
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options22-152-181|hide options22-152-181)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info22-152-181.0.120)

1 year: $10.99
2 year: $18.99
$54.99
select item 4 quantity of item 4

BIOSTAR TA785G3 AM3 AMD 785G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813138167
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options13-138-167|hide options13-138-167)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info13-138-167.0.18)

1 year: $9.99
2 year: $16.99
-$5.00 Instant
$69.99
$64.99
select item 5 quantity of item 5

Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2 Intel Core i7 Compliant Dual 80mm Fans Full Cable Sleevings Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817153023
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$5.00 Instant

$15.00 Mail-in Rebate Card17-153-023 $41.99
$36.99
select item 6 quantity of item 6

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
Item #: N82E16820231303
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy $119.99
select item 7 quantity of item 7

AMD Athlon II X3 425 Rana 2.7GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor Model ADX425WFGIBOX
Item #: N82E16819103726
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options19-103-726|hide options19-103-726)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty
The product will be replaced and shipped directly to you at no charge(more info19-103-726.0.120)

1 year: $10.99
2 year: $18.99
$66.99
select item 8 quantity of item 8

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy $99.99

Subtotal: $505.92

Shipping: $24.65

Total: 530:.57 after shipping and before the 15.00 Mail-in-Rebate for the PSU. Total: 515.57

Working on your build next. (I assumed your mum needed windows 7, if she doesn't I can upgrade quite a few pieces)
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June 1, 2010 7:33:47 AM

wow geez.. didnt think it was possible.. lol.. so my mum's build will rub smoothly with the vid, office and web surfing i guess? it wont be too much to ask from the system right?
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June 1, 2010 7:37:11 AM

oh btw my mum's build doesnt need a graphic card? is it cause its in build? will it have trouble handling the hd videos? sry if i ask a tad too much questions.
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June 1, 2010 7:39:49 AM

Your mum's build has built in graphics in the motherboard. It's capable of 1080p(I use it in my home theater PC) so it's perfectly fine. Her memory is a tad overkill, but I don't like only having 2 GB in systems now days. Your build is incoming as well. Next post.
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June 1, 2010 7:45:12 AM


SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223C - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151192
$21.99


Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811129058
-$20.00 Instant
$139.95
$119.95


SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152181
$54.99

ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131655
-$5.00 Instant
$184.99
$179.99


HIS H587FN1GD Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814161329
-$30.00 Instant
$419.99
$389.99


CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ...
Item #: N82E16817139005
-$30.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card17-139-005
$119.99
($89.99) after MIR


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
Item #: N82E16820231303
$119.99


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103808
$159.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754
$99.99

Subtotal: $1,236.87

Shipping: $11.52 (to my area code)



Discount From Promo Code EMCYSNV23
Discount From Promo Code EMCYSNV26


Promotional code discount can not be combined with combo or gift item on same order. Promo Code: -$33.00

Total: 1215.00 before 20 dollar Mail in Rebate. So 1195.00 final cost.
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June 1, 2010 7:47:40 AM

If you need links for that stuff let me know.
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June 1, 2010 7:48:25 AM

haha.. about my mum's build if the memory's an overkill i might go with the lower after all budget is always the issue.. so the cheaper the better and i dun forsee her needing an upgrade for a yr or two anyway.. she's extremely satisfied as long as she has her video, office and net.. as for whether she requires a win7 i would think so.. yeah..
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June 1, 2010 7:48:43 AM

Also I didnt include mouse/keyboard or speakers. Are those needed for either build?
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June 1, 2010 7:50:50 AM

oooo.. my build looks nice.. thanks man..
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June 1, 2010 7:52:23 AM

Well just realize that with operating systems nowdays you're faced with 1-1.5GB used for the operating system. If your system only has 2 GB, that leaves .5-1 GB of available memory. It's up to you as the buyer, just something to thnk about. She isn't gaming so it's not a massive issue if she gets 2 GB of RAM.
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June 1, 2010 7:52:49 AM

nah.. those are minor issues.. thanks man.. i greatly appreciate it..
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June 1, 2010 7:53:34 AM

i'll hold on to this tread for awhile in case any others might have some suggestions too.. but many thanks to cmcghee358..
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June 1, 2010 7:53:40 AM

No problem if you need any more help or any questions I'm here for another 5 hours with nothing better to do!
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June 1, 2010 7:54:50 AM

oh ya btw.. if i went with the 2gb ddr for my mum's there wont be any issues with performance right? and i did read somewhere that the win7 32bit will be better with it? is it true?
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June 1, 2010 7:55:03 AM

Yes your build is sexy.
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June 1, 2010 7:57:19 AM

No thats not true. And you certainly don't want to limit her to a 3.5 GB cap. If I remember correctly Win7 32 bit caps out at 3.5 GB of RAM, and Win7 64 bit caps out around 1 TB of RAM(yes terabyte)

I'll link you the RAM I would recommend for her 2 GB set up.
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June 1, 2010 8:02:26 AM

hahah.. i know the higher the speed is better.. as for dual channel and latency i have totally no idea.. lol.. but still thanks man.. i'll currently sourcing for the best deals on her build.. thanks!
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June 1, 2010 8:13:06 AM

oh ya one more question since its a micro atx for my mum it'll fit in those small chassis right? like the coolermaster elite 100?
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June 1, 2010 8:14:54 AM

Agh, lemmie check again. I swapped your mums motherboard at the last minute and I didn't recheck the case.
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June 1, 2010 8:15:46 AM

Under the specifications for the COOLER MASTER Elite RC-310 it does in fact fit Micro-ATX :) 
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June 1, 2010 8:24:26 AM

oh ya another question.. my house is using wireless networking.. so is there any wireless network adapter to fit on my mum's build or my build? i dun wanna get the comp running but unable to access the internet.. do get back to me.. thanks..
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June 1, 2010 8:25:59 AM

erm.. sry if i confused u.. but i was wondering if it'll fit into a elite 100 coolermaster caste.. the smaller kind of casing.. so it'll be space saving.. thanks..
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June 1, 2010 8:51:28 AM

oh nice.. thanks.. i was thinking more of an internal wireless card or something of that sort.. but i really dun wanna save on this as my mum gets quite irritated when the wireless accidentally goes off and on again.. yeah.. any recommendation on this?
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June 1, 2010 8:54:42 AM

I havent personally ever used it as my whole house is wired for Cat-5(one of the perks of having a house built to your liking) lemmie see if I can dig up a PCI/E card or something 1 sec.
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June 1, 2010 9:03:21 AM

oh thanks.. so i guess a pci/e card is actually a wireless card.. now i see.. hahaha..
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June 1, 2010 9:18:30 AM

cmcghee358.. is it possible to give me a recommendation for my mum's motherboard other than the biostar? smth ard the same price with relatively same performance? can be abit higher than my budget.. i'm ok with it.. if it can be a asus board it'll be the best.. thanks
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June 1, 2010 9:24:43 AM

Sure thing lemmie find something
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June 1, 2010 9:43:50 AM

nice.. thanks...
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June 1, 2010 10:01:07 AM

cmcghee i would like to ask you if the amd athlon II x3 425 an overkill? isn't a amd 250 series able to do web, office and vids? thanks for your response.. i do hope u dun get the wrong idea that i'm questioning your expertise.. thanks..
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June 1, 2010 10:04:38 AM

You could but Im pricing the Athlon IIx250 @ 62.00 and the Athlon IIx3 425 @ 69.99. I'd consider the 3rd core worth 8 dollars. Our goal is for your mum to have a computer that will turn to dust before it can no longer operate programs.
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June 1, 2010 10:17:15 AM

oh yeah.. i guess what u're saying is logical.. oooo.. guess what i found.. apparently u can unlock the 4th core.. lol..
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June 1, 2010 10:23:16 AM

Mine didn't unlock. Don't purchase any processor with the assumption you're going to get free cores. Its pure randomness.
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June 1, 2010 10:29:17 AM

haha.. yeah i understand u man.. but i'm gonna attempt it.. i hope i dun spoil the processor though.. hahaa... btw when u chose the mobo may i know what u took into acct? so i'll pay attention to those details when i wish to look for a mobo.. other than the on board video and on board audio card, the socket type.. is there anything such as how many slots i can fit my ddr rams in or how many hdd i can connect it to or such?
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June 1, 2010 10:39:09 AM

It doesnt spoil the processor. A few things can happen. Either it simply wont post, in which case you reset CMOS and just accep the fact you only get X cores. Or it will unlock some, but will cause system instability. Or it will unlock, and be stable, but limit the overclock of the chips as a whole.
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June 1, 2010 10:39:49 AM

SATA ports is an indication of how many drives(optical or hard) that can be attached. In your case, I tried to get a good balance between the chipset(770, 785, 790, 870, 880, 890 etc) and value/price. I deduced your mum wouldn't be playing any high end games, onboard video was perfect for her use, and saved on cost of a discrete GPU.

I made sure it was an AM3 only board(rather than AM2/AM2+/AM3) because that ensured it was DDR3 capable. I then matched a good quality, but inexpensive AM3 CPU to that board. After that, when you asked for a good brand, I picked the same ASUS board I use.
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June 1, 2010 10:53:38 AM

oh i see.. thanks man.. really great to understand the thinking process..
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