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June 2, 2010 4:45:49 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: About a month.
BUDGET RANGE: $1200-1500 Canadian (Including S/H, taxes, OS)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:
Internet
Gaming
Movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED:
None

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:
www.newegg.ca
I live in Canada.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe a light one (No voltage changes)

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920 x 1080, maybe eventually adding a second

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Quiet is better, but not a priority.

PRETTY SURE:
Intel i5 750
I don't need to go any higher than this.

Gigabyte GA-P55

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

Radeon 5870 (Not sure on retailer)

LESS CERTAIN

Antec 300 (eBay ~$75)

Not sure about hard drive or PSU

ASUS VH222H Black

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June 2, 2010 5:21:25 AM

You choice of CPU is good...
Some suggestions for other parts...
Check out this mobo - Also has SATA 6GB/s and is about $10 more...and with this combo, its cheaper...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

RAM -
Cheaper and good - Corsair 4GB DDR3
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

And check out the parts @ ncix.com - I think the shipping is less and you can price match...
http://www.ncix.com/
Case-
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=29812&vpn=TH...

HDD - Samsung F3 500GB/ 1TB based on your requirements...

CPU cooler - CM Hyper 212+

Graphics card -
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=52825&vpn=HD...
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June 2, 2010 11:38:27 AM

Yes NCIX my preferred e-tailer pricematch kicksass
June 2, 2010 12:07:33 PM

Thanks for the cheaper deals.

I know that the stock Intel cooler is pretty bad and was already considering the 212 plus.

For the PSU, I've heard good things about Corsair, any thoughts.

HDD: I've heard many people promoting Samsung, but just as many who claim that WD Caviar Black 640gb is the way to go.
June 2, 2010 12:19:12 PM

Currently, the fastest non-Velociraptor mechanical drives are (in no specific order):
Samsung Spinpoint F3 500 GB, 1 TB
Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB WD1002FAEX (and only the FAEX model) - SATA III, but about $30 more than the other 1 TB drives
Seagate 7200.12 500 GB, 1 TB

These drives are faster than other size/models because they use 500 GB platters. This increases the density of data stored on each individual platter, meaning that the heads move less, yet read more data.

I'd stick with one of the above in a new build, unless you can't for price reasons.
June 2, 2010 12:26:02 PM

CM 212+ is a good deal fan is a little louder then others.
Stick with a Corsair,Antec TP,or Seasonic whatever is the best deal.
HDD wise either one is fine i use a Seagate and it's fine.
I'll give away my secrets for best pricing.
Use this site for pricematching components.

http://www.directcanada.com/

Not as great of a selection as NCIX or Newegg but what they do have is cheap OS's, fans, cooling,HSU,and OZC psu's seem to always be cheap.
Use the category tab
June 2, 2010 10:31:06 PM

for PSU corsair and seasonic is good...i have a seasonic that i just got from NCIX.com b/c they had it on sale for half the price and seasonic makes perfect PSU...check them out

corsair i have never tried myself so can't say much but havent heard anything bad from it and alot of ppl use them

Antec Earth watt that i mentioned was my old PSU and that one i think was made by seasonic also...antec has some bad psu so if you are going with antec i would do some review search on it...
June 3, 2010 12:21:22 AM

An i5-750 1156 chipset build gonna cost you $1650 ish w/ monitor and all top end components....TX PSU OK for twin GFX cards...Upgrade to HX750 if doing serious OC's.

$110 CM HAF 922 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
$80 Corsair TX650 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

or

$200 Antec 900 w/ EA-650 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

$394 ASUS P7P55D-E Pro w/ Intel i5-750 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

The Gigabyte P55 boards have issues if you want to add a 2nd GFX card later on.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/usb-3.0-performance...

At two-thirds of the price of its Asus rival, Gigabyte’s P55A-UD4P cuts costs by using the processor’s PCIe 2.0 connections to host its high-bandwidth controllers. Two of the primary graphics card’s 16 PCIe lanes supply its USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s controllers, and Gigabyte disables six more lanes to make the upper slot an effective x8 interface. The USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s controllers revert to the chipset’s 2.5 GT/s lanes whenever two graphics cards are installed, to preserve the x8 transfers each graphics card needs for optimal CrossFire or SLI performance.

Thus, users with a single graphics card must sacrifice half of its peak bandwidth to enable 5.0 Gb transfers to the USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s controllers, while those with two cards must live with 2.5 Gb/s bandwidth limits on USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 Gb/s controllers. Neither of these sacrifices is huge or even noticeable on most of today’s hardware, yet anyone trying to future-proof their system could be left cold.


$117 2 x 2GB Corsair DDR3-1600 CAS 7 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

$80 Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

$38 Scythe 2100 cpu COOLER http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

$ 6 OCZ Freeze http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

$423 XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

$25 Any DVD Burner

$109 Windows Home Premium 7 - 64

If ya can swing it

$280 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Total $1662

To meet your $1500 limit, could take off $120 and get the monitor you originally listed and the $44 for a 3rd party cooler and that would put you at $1498 .... if it were me tho, I'd invest the $164
June 3, 2010 1:47:55 AM

Jacks_85 said:
for PSU corsair and seasonic is good...i have a seasonic that i just got from NCIX.com b/c they had it on sale for half the price and seasonic makes perfect PSU...check them out

corsair i have never tried myself so can't say much but havent heard anything bad from it and alot of ppl use them

Antec Earth watt that i mentioned was my old PSU and that one i think was made by seasonic also...antec has some bad psu so if you are going with antec i would do some review search on it...


Hey was that the M12D 850W they had for a ridiculous price like $87 i suggested it in another thread a couple of days ago and was ignored.
I think the guy wanted a 750w for a cf 5850 set-up.
He probably paid more for less power.HA!
June 3, 2010 1:54:25 AM

The Corsair HX 750 is made by CWT.
the others in the HX and X line are Seasonics.
June 3, 2010 4:10:23 AM

For some reason, all newegg links are bringing me to the homepage.

Do I need the 64 bit version of Windows 7?

I'm not sure about the monitor.
June 3, 2010 5:44:13 AM

i got my m12d for 109.99 still really good consider the PSU is worth 200sth
June 3, 2010 9:48:00 PM

For some reason, the links only work when I drag them directly into the address bar, not by using "open in new tab"

How loud are the 212+ and 5870? The only things that I have to compare them to are the Nvidia 7800GTX and the Radeon 4850. This isn't critical, I was just wondering.

Will the SATA 6GB/s make much of a difference?

I'm pretty sure I won't be adding a second graphics card.

Is there much of a difference between the different manufacturers of 5870s?

Is 650TX a good choice ($80)
June 4, 2010 12:13:06 AM

I'm not sure what to use as a reference point, but the 212+ is not that loud IMO. It's quite a bit quieter than any of the i-series stock HSF. 5870 can be fairly loud under the load, but not too bad generally. SATA 6GB/s will make a difference eventually, but not a heck of a lot right now. Corsair 650TX is a great choice if you're sticking to a single GPU.
June 4, 2010 1:54:04 AM

Do you have any idea how it compares to a radeon 4850 (sapphire) or a 7800 GTX?

I think I'll get the SATA 6GB/s mobo(Good to have for future and only $5), but will the 6GB/s HDD make a difference?
June 4, 2010 3:19:03 AM

I don't know for sure, but I'm under the impression that there aren't any HDDs maxing out 6GB/s. I think it's more marketing gimmick than anything right now.
June 4, 2010 3:42:51 AM

Chuckles_ said:
I don't know for sure, but I'm under the impression that there aren't any HDDs maxing out 6GB/s. I think it's more marketing gimmick than anything right now.

So I'm going with the SATA 3GB/s.

So, Samsung or Western Digital?

Also, I found a Antec Nine Hundred for $110 (Local store). Is there much of a difference in the cooling performance vs the Three Hundred?

The main upgrade that I might be making (~6 months- 1 year) would be to add a second screen. If I like that, I might go for a third. For now, I'm not worrying about that.
June 4, 2010 3:52:02 AM

^ He is right...SATA 6GB/s interface wont make any difference with the mechanical HDDs, but certainly do with SSDs...So if you planning for a SSD in the future, then SATA 6GB/s would be a good to have feature and so will the USB 3.0...

And as for the graphics card, are you asking about the performance of the HD 5870s compared to the HD 4850/ 7800GTX ??
June 4, 2010 3:54:19 AM

^Dint refresh...
As for the case, check out the HAF 922 if it is available at your local store...
As for the cooling, for a single HD 5870 + having a aftermarket CPU cooler, I doubt there would be significant difference between those 2 cases...And check out the Antec 300 Illusion - comes with many stock fans...
June 4, 2010 4:01:07 AM

No, the HAF 922 isn't there. If I can find the Antec 300 Illusion cheap, I'll get it.

I was asking about the noise levels, but I ended up making a thread about that in the GPU forum.

I'll get the 6GB/s motherboard because it's only an extra $5 if I get that combo. I'm still considering a SSD for the OS and a few programs. (My budget isn't actually that rigid, I would just rather not go over by too much.)
June 4, 2010 7:19:52 AM

HDD i would go for Samsung spinpoint...i have a few of these threads and everyone is saying to go for samsung

if you are going SSD i'll suggest intel x25m but it is more pricey but it is the best SSD you can get
June 4, 2010 12:09:16 PM

Ok, Samsung it is.

$235 for the 80gb version is the cheapest I can find. How much of a performance difference will there be? (Boot times and application loading)
June 4, 2010 1:13:05 PM

Those Intel X25-M OEMs are probably going to drop back down to ~$200 within the month. For whatever reason, Newegg seems to knock off the discount at the beginning of the month, and then start adding it back incrementally.
June 4, 2010 3:55:37 PM

wortwortwort said:
Ok, Samsung it is.

$235 for the 80gb version is the cheapest I can find. How much of a performance difference will there be? (Boot times and application loading)


Samsung would be the choice for 500 GB & 1 TB drives (or Seagate 7200.12s) because they use 500 GB platters, which results in faster speeds. The non-SATA III WD Caviar Black (model ends in FALS) uses smaller platters, which pack the data less densely.

As for SSDs, it's hard to describe if you haven't seen them in action. If you have an Apple store or Best Buy or something near you, go and see if they have any similar systems with an SSD on one and a traditional HDD on the other. This link is a few months old, but it's good reading about SSDs. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2829 . The conclusion has a quote that is a good analogy from what I've seen.

I don’t know how else to say this: it’s an order of magnitude faster than a hard drive. It’s the difference between a hang glider and the space shuttle; both will fly, it’s just that one takes you to space. said:
I don’t know how else to say this: it’s an order of magnitude faster than a hard drive. It’s the difference between a hang glider and the space shuttle; both will fly, it’s just that one takes you to space.


Typically people are seeing boot times cut in half or more, and applications load pretty much instantly. If you consider that 10k rpm Velociraptors have 4-5ms seek times, while SSDs have under .1 ms seek times, and that's pretty much all that's happening when you boot or load...it's going to cut down times significantly.
June 4, 2010 6:11:08 PM

OCZ agility 60g is 189 and has a 20dollar rebate at newegg.ca
June 4, 2010 9:01:32 PM

Chuckles_ said:
Those Intel X25-M OEMs are probably going to drop back down to ~$200 within the month. For whatever reason, Newegg seems to knock off the discount at the beginning of the month, and then start adding it back incrementally.

I'm not sure whether waiting a month for it to drop $35 would be worth it, but thanks for the tip.
June 4, 2010 9:40:57 PM

Ahh, yeah I probably wouldn't wait a month either, but you're approximate purchase date was 'about a month', so I thought the timing would be close.
June 5, 2010 1:17:40 AM

I've changed my mind a bit. I'm hoping to have everything ordered by next weekend now.

I'll go check out the Best Buy to see how SSDs are. I'm strongly considering the 80GB X25-M

BTW: NCIX will charge $22.18 to ship that case. eBay it is then.

If you have any cheap places to buy the Antec 300 Illusion, please let me know.
June 5, 2010 4:02:49 AM

Jacks_85 said:
i got my m12d for 109.99 still really good consider the PSU is worth 200sth

i could be wrong about that price but it was on at NCIX during the last sale that ended June 1
No matter how you look at it $109.99 is a sweet price for an awesome psu.
Cheers!
June 5, 2010 4:31:54 AM

With shipping and taxes, that comes to $93.41

On eBay, there's a Buy It Now for $77.98 of the regular Three Hundred.

This still makes the Illusion a good deal because of the extra 2 fans.
June 5, 2010 8:03:29 AM

ya for sure for the 300 illusion...but i still like my antec 900 more b/c it has the window and lots of fans : )
June 5, 2010 1:35:41 PM

Case wise your best bets are the Illusion or reg 300
another one is the CM 690II basic which is a nice case
Whichever you can find cheapest will serve you well
Note the Antecs come with tricool 3 speed fans i think which are pretty quiet on low
Oh yeah Jacks_85 i love my 902 it's quieter than my CM 690II and has more fans
June 5, 2010 9:07:14 PM

I'm going to check out the SSDs tomorrow.

Is the onboard sound good enough? I've found a lightly used X-FI Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series for $100, but it might not be needed.
June 5, 2010 9:52:31 PM

I've watched some tests on Youtube, and I'm sure. I want an SSD.... a lot.

Last question, does the manufacturer behind the 5870 matter? Is there any reason not to get this one?
June 5, 2010 11:43:11 PM

Onboard sound is very good these days. Generally it's suggested to get your computer without the sound card and only if it's really bothering you, buy one later.
June 6, 2010 12:46:50 AM

Yeah, I'd either get that cheapest XFX, or kick in the extra ~$20, and get the Asus EAH5870 V2 with voltage control for OCing purposes.
June 6, 2010 2:53:35 AM

How useful will the voltage control be? Also, how much of a risk is there behind upping the voltage.
June 6, 2010 3:39:57 AM

Voltage control is necessary for maxing out the card's OC capability. You can still get decent OCs w/o it, and the risk of upping the voltage is heat. That's not a big problem with 5850/5870s in cases with good airflow, but its something you have to pay attention to obviously. If that makes you uncomfortable, I would just get the cheaper 5870. It will still kick plenty of ass.
June 6, 2010 4:08:21 AM

So there isn't the possible problem of shortening the lifespan of the card? Also, what kind of temperatures would be considered safe for the 5870?
June 6, 2010 3:14:01 PM

wortwortwort said:
So I'm going with the SATA 3GB/s.

So, Samsung or Western Digital?

Also, I found a Antec Nine Hundred for $110 (Local store). Is there much of a difference in the cooling performance vs the Three Hundred?

The main upgrade that I might be making (~6 months- 1 year) would be to add a second screen. If I like that, I might go for a third. For now, I'm not worrying about that.


Samsung
June 6, 2010 3:14:43 PM

Yes, the additional heat can shorten the lifespan of the card in theory. To what degree I can't say, but there are a lot people raising voltages on their 5870s w/o problem. I believe the temperature threshold is ~90°C because that is the point at which the 5870 begins to throttle down to protect itself. However, supposedly you can run them as high as high as ~110°C. In a case with good airflow you should have no problem keeping the car below ~85°C. Is there are a lifespan difference between 70°C and 90°C? Probably, but it's not likely noticeable since you'll replace the card by then.
June 6, 2010 3:15:36 PM

Chuckles_ said:
Yes, the additional heat can shorten the lifespan of the card in theory. To what degree I can't say, but there are a lot people raising voltages on their 5870s w/o problem. I believe the temperature threshold is ~90°C because that is the point at which the 5870 begins to throttle down to protect itself. However, supposedly you can run them as high as high as ~110°C. In a case with good airflow you should have no problem keeping the car below ~85°C. Is there are a lifespan difference between 70°C and 90°C? Probably, but it's not likely noticeable since you'll replace the card by then.


The card lasts 4 times as long at 70C

So maybe like 10 years vs 2.5 years.
June 6, 2010 3:31:05 PM

LOL, no way.
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