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June 4, 2010 9:56:58 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: June 2010

BUDGET RANGE: Around 1500$

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Running multiple virtual machines. Not gaming.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, operating system

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: none

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Sweden

PARTS PREFERENCES: Most likely a Intel Core i7-930

OVERCLOCKING
: No

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I would like to build a powerful PC for running multiple virtual machines through Vmware Workstation. (Not for actual production systems, but for testing and learning at home.)

I need:

A CPU with many cores and hyperthreading support
Lots of memory, probably 12 GB RAM
Fast storage (no preferences)

I do not need:

Gaming graphic card
Special sound card

If I could get a motherboard with good built-in graphic and sound it would most likely be enough.

If possible the machine shall be silent too!

I am grateful for any advice on this!
June 4, 2010 10:27:03 PM

1366 does not have integrated graphics sorry:

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+30$ if you want a good aftermarket cooler (Hyper 212).

Does this suit you?
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June 4, 2010 10:27:44 PM

there's also this with a entry level graphic card:


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June 4, 2010 10:29:05 PM

Did you think of a building a server?
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June 4, 2010 10:39:11 PM


Thank you for you replies, I will look at your suggestions very soon.

Userremoved said:
Did you think of a building a server?


No, it will be an home pc (web etc) but I need the power to be able to run multiple virtual machines (with server operating systems mainly), but just on Windows 7 in a case suitable in a home.
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June 4, 2010 10:43:51 PM

Here is a suggested build from the sticky topic Recommended Builds by Usage
Enthusiast build: $1,393.89

* CPU: Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 - Retail
* MOBO: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
* RAM: G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO - Retail
* HSF: COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU ... - Retail
* HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
* PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
* GPU: XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
* DVD: LITE-ON Black 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support - Retail
* Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

Massage the parts list a bit to meet your requirements:
Replace PSU 850TX Corsair PSU with Corsair 550VX or similar.
Replace GPU HD 5870 with HD 5670 or other video card that is recommended by Vmware Workstation
Add 1 HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB in RAID 0
Replace RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL
Add 1 set of G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
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June 4, 2010 10:44:47 PM

Ok then! Why dont you want a gaming graphics card?
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June 4, 2010 10:46:17 PM

Userremoved said:
Ok then! Why dont you want a gaming graphics card?


At the moment I do not play any games due to lack of time (two daughters 1 and 3 years :)  ) and the time I spend on the computer will be mostly work related.

I know very little of the current graphic cards and just want one that could reasonable display ordinary Windows graphics.
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June 4, 2010 10:47:59 PM

I think 1366 is better suited for him.
He also wants 12Gb of RAM.
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June 4, 2010 10:50:04 PM

Userremoved said:
He also wants 12Gb of RAM.
12GB of RAM included. Along with fast quad core hyper-threaded CPU. He is on a budget also.
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June 4, 2010 10:51:21 PM

Ok then the 5670 suits you.
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June 4, 2010 10:53:38 PM

WR2 said:
12GB of RAM included. Along with fast quad core hyper-threaded CPU. He is on a budget also.

Except the 1366 platform has no bottlenecks with USB3 and SATA3 and has full 16X lanes I know he docent need them now but they will probably make the machine last a little longer.
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June 4, 2010 11:01:56 PM

ASUS P7P55D-E Pro has USB3 and SATA 6Gb/s and full 16 lanes on PCI-e first slot.
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June 4, 2010 11:11:52 PM

WR2 said:
ASUS P7P55D-E Pro has USB3 and SATA 6Gb/s and full 16 lanes on PCI-e first slot.

At the price of 1366 motherboards with 2 PCIe lanes and on top of that the cheaper 1366 motherboards have 16X/16X. Example:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
On top of that the i7 930 is 10$ more than i7 860.
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June 4, 2010 11:30:13 PM

Userremoved said:
cheaper 1366 motherboards have 16X/16X.
Explain to the OP why 16X/16X is good for his non-gaming build.
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June 4, 2010 11:31:35 PM

It's not better it's just a 50$ difference.
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June 4, 2010 11:35:54 PM

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Now for the i7:


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Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860

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June 4, 2010 11:48:50 PM

Fine go with the i7 860 it's true that 16X/16X wont do a difference.
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June 4, 2010 11:49:48 PM

Im pretty sure they use Krona in Sweden; kr not $.
And its certain that prices and price differentials will not be the same. As will availability.

And its also certain that all the notes you're posting the OP will NOT apply to him.
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June 4, 2010 11:56:53 PM

ricno said:

I need:

A CPU with many cores and hyperthreading support
i5 750 does not have hyper-threading support.
i7 860 has hyper-threading support 2.80GHz clock speed with a 3.46GHz Turbo Boost in 95W TDP.
i7 930 has hyper-threading support 2.80GHz clock speed with a 3.06GHz Turbo Boost in 130W TDP.
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June 4, 2010 11:57:00 PM

WR2 said:
i5 750 does not have hyper-threading support.
i7 860 has hyper-threading support 2.80GHz clock speed with a 3.46GHz Turbo Boost in 95W TDP.
i7 930 has hyper-threading support 2.80GHz clock speed with a 3.06GHz Turbo Boost in 130W TDP.

it was a typo I changed it.
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June 5, 2010 7:14:26 AM

WR2 said:
Im pretty sure they use Krona in Sweden; kr not $.
And its certain that prices and price differentials will not be the same. As will availability.


It is certainly correct that our currency is Krona and that exact prices here will differ some. However I will take care of translating from $ to Krona and look for the parts in local web stores, if you help me with assembling the best collection of hardware it would be more than enough.

I am grateful for the replies so far, even as the amount of text is somewhat overwhealming, so I will start to summarize the suggestions to have a clearer look.
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June 5, 2010 7:50:16 AM



I see that you are discussing Intel Core i7-860 vs i7-930. What is the difference between these two?

One feature I do need is hardware support for virtualization. I.e. CPU virtualization support with Intel VT and memory virtualization as in Intel EPT. Can I assume that both these processors has the support?
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June 5, 2010 12:04:43 PM

The difference between the 930 and 860 is pretty much only that the 860 uses the 1156 platform (Dual channel DDR3, 8X/8X Xfire/SLI) and the 930 uses 1366 (Triple channel DDR3, 16X/16X Xfire/SLI).
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June 5, 2010 2:00:57 PM

VT and EPT (SLAT) supported in all the Nehalem CPUs.


Bloomfield (i7-9xx socket 1366) was the first released and has a transitor count of 731M and 130W thermal envelope.
Lynnfield (i5-750, i7-8xx socket 1156) was the 2nd released with 774M transistors and 95W thermal envelope.

Are you interested in overclocking at all? Bloomfields have an advantage if you're trying for maximum over-clock capability.
And the triple-channel memory architecture gives them greater memory bandwidth.
Lynnfield and it's P55 MB, dual channel RAM lower the cost of entry into the 4core/8thread computing. And a Lynnfield system will use about 30W less power at idle and similar % savings when under load if that's of interest to you.

Are you virtualization testing going to be scientific oriented or more along the lines of server operations? If there is an element of heavy HDD I/O involved it might make sense to use that RAID 0 array. For a production system you'd be looking at RAID 5 probably.




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June 5, 2010 6:40:08 PM


WR2 said:
VT and EPT (SLAT) supported in all the Nehalem CPUs.


Great, then that would not be an issue!

WR2 said:

Are you interested in overclocking at all?


I have not done any overclocking since the early 90's which back then involved changing physical jumpers on the motherboard to set some main clock frequency and a multiplier . :)  It seems to be more complicated now and for the moment I have not the time to learn, but perhaps later on it could be interesting and could be a point for going for a 930.

WR2 said:

Lynnfield and it's P55 MB, dual channel RAM lower the cost of entry into the 4core/8thread computing.


I presume all parts, CPU, motherboard and RAM is of lower cost on the 1156 platform? However, if the price difference is not large it could also be reasonable to go directly to the newer platform, even if the advantages for me is not really present at the moment.

WR2 said:

Are you virtualization testing going to be scientific oriented or more along the lines of server operations?


I work with different server operating systems, and this computer build will be a pure lab enviroment at home for experimenting. For example I intend to build a couple of virtual Vmware ESX servers and a virtual freeNAS server with iSCSI to do different tests with Vmware vSphere clusters without having multiple physical servers/computers. (Virtual virtualization!) :) 
No matter how much hardware I put into this computer it will of course not be optimal or comparable to a couple of real servers, but I belive good enough for my purpose.

WR2 said:
If there is an element of heavy HDD I/O involved it might make sense to use that RAID 0 array. For a production system you'd be looking at RAID 5 probably.


I do not think it will be any real hard constant disk IO and I hope a fast single drive should be enough. RAID 0 always seems a bit scary. Can the motherboard by the way implement hardware RAID 0 or would it be operating system driven software RAID?

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June 5, 2010 8:09:12 PM

i7-860 and socket 1156 is the newer branch and is considered the mainstream platform. i7-930 socket 1366 is the older branch and is the enthusiast platform.

Overclocking is both much easier and much harder. The i7-930 has an advantage only in going for the extreme, 'bleeding edge' of overclocking.
Most of the quality motherboards have some type of 'push button' overclocking that takes all the angst out of working in the BIOS setting to tweak the last 10 or 20 percent of system performance.
Look at the P7P55D-E PRO feature set at the ASUS TurboV EVO and Auto Tuning features. 60 seconds to get the i7-860 performance exceeding the $1000 Extreme Edition i7-975. (Of course if you want to pay for an i7-975 you can overclock that too). Similar OC features are in the 1366 motherboards as well.
RAID is also easier these days thanks to motherboard support on most of the better models

The entry point cost of the 1156 is lower. But you can also get higher priced performance parts than in the 1366 entry level too. An example would be i7-870 CPU, premium 1156 motherboard and DDR3 1866 RAM compared to i7-930, budget 1366 motherboard and DDR3 1600 RAM.
It's pretty much as it's always been. You pay a extra for top performance and premium parts. The cost/performance benefit ratio is not easy to chart.
You can get premium performance at mainstream prices with overclocking. And you can get beyond premium performance at premium prices.

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June 5, 2010 9:05:04 PM

^ What about Turbo Boost for the new Intel that's also auto-overclocking rite? Just a side note for the OP 1156 will be replaced in a ear 1366 will probably live on.
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June 5, 2010 9:47:17 PM


Thank you for both your replies! I will return to them soon, however one quick note: I have studied Vmware Workstation 7.1 manual and it states that to be able to run a virtualized Windows 7 with most graphic flashy things enabled they recommend the following:

nVidia GeForce 8800GT and above
ATI Radeon HD 2600 and above

Running desktop operating systems in the virtual machines is not my main focus, but just to know: how does these two recommendations above comply to the graphic boards you have suggested? (I really no nothing of these, so I can not see if the two above are top end or the lowest possible.)

Two other quick things: if the motherboard does not include a graphic unit, will it always include ethernet NIC and built in sound card or could that also vary?
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June 5, 2010 10:24:03 PM

I'm sorry there very close in performance do you think you could bump it to a 5750 or 5770 to insure better performance?
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June 6, 2010 9:44:34 PM

WR2 said:
i7-860 and socket 1156 is the newer branch and is considered the mainstream platform. i7-930 socket 1366 is the older branch and is the enthusiast platform.


Userremoved said:
Just a side note for the OP 1156 will be replaced in a ear 1366 will probably live on.


I am getting a bit confused at the moment, as the two statements above seems to be of different views?

Do I understand it correctly so far if:

* 1156 and 1366 is quite similar in price with the 1366 somewhat more expensive?
* 1366 is better for overclocking? (Not really actual.)
* The i7-860 and i7-930 is very similar in performance?
* The i7-860 has a lower energy usage? (Could be good)
* The 1366 has some better capabilities for multi GPUs? (Not actual.)
* Both i7-860 and i7-930 has the hardware virtualization support I need

From the above points I see no clear choice! As in, both seems to be very good alternatives. If the 860 actually is a newer CPU then could be good, however if it is correct the the 1156 socket will be phased out soon then perhaps that speaks against it?





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June 6, 2010 10:11:16 PM

ricno said:
I am getting a bit confused at the moment, as the two statements above seems to be of different views?

Do I understand it correctly so far if:

* 1156 and 1366 is quite similar in price with the 1366 somewhat more expensive?
* 1366 is better for overclocking? (Not really actual.)
* The i7-860 and i7-930 is very similar in performance?
* The i7-860 has a lower energy usage? (Could be good)
* The 1366 has some better capabilities for multi GPUs? (Not actual.)
* Both i7-860 and i7-930 has the hardware virtualization support I need

From the above points I see no clear choice! As in, both seems to be very good alternatives. If the 860 actually is a newer CPU then could be good, however if it is correct the the 1156 socket will be phased out soon then perhaps that speaks against it?

The 1336 platform has some motherboards priced at the same price has some 1156 motherboards. Overclocking really there about the same. Yes the i7 860 and 930 are very close in performance. Yes the i7 860 uses less power (860:75W-930:130W). 1366 can do full 16X/16X Xfire and SLI and 1156 can only do 8X/8X but since you dont need an amazing GPU he said it would not be required I think it oul be a good way to upgrade later on when you will need (if ever you will need more than one card) the PC since you will have full bandwidth. yes both CPU have virtualization. Also 1156 ill die off in a year 9not die just replaced). Also the price for motherboards with 1156 and full bandwidth for USB3 and Sata 3 is like 200$ which is the price of many 1366 motherboards.
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June 6, 2010 10:16:47 PM


Thank you for your support!

One question for the graphic cards, is it correct that for example "HD 5750" is the name of the CPU on the graphic board and that several different manufacturers have products with these units?

Userremoved said:
do you think you could bump it to a 5750 or 5770 to insure better performance?


Could you give some recommendation for cards on these two above?
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June 6, 2010 10:19:41 PM

Buy one from XFX or Saphire two of the best brands on the market.
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June 6, 2010 10:32:10 PM


As for the case, you have recommended "COOLER MASTER HAF 922" and WR2 the "932" model, what would be the difference between these two?
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June 6, 2010 10:35:02 PM

The Sandy Hill CPUs were said to be in a new socket (1155). Also the 932 is just a bigger case. Yes 1155 is rumored to replace 1156 and 1366 is supposed to stay the enthusiast socket (or under that). But then again all this is just a rumor.
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June 6, 2010 10:35:24 PM

i7-860 and i7-930 CPUs are virtually identical in cost. i5-750 (1156 quad core but no hyper threading is $90 less). MB and RAM are less for 1156 (partly due to dual channel 4GB / triple channel 6GB). You can 'feature up' so one or the other could be more expensive. 8GB RAM on a premium 1156 MB vs 6GB RAM on a budget 1366 MB for example.

i7-860 and i7-930 both overclock very well but there is an advantage in 930 & 1366MB combos going higher above 4Ghz in the best motherboards.

i7-860 and i7-930 performance will be nearly identical in some applications and others that will favor the 1366 triple channel memory bandwidth, usually by a small percentage.

i7-860 systems use less power in roughly equivalent systems (apart from things like 4GB vs 6GB RAM).

1366 X-58 motherboards have dual x16 video card slots. 1156 P-55 motherboards have a single x16 or dual x8 video card slots. There is a gaming advantage to having two high power video cards each having their own x16 bandwidth vs having two cards on x8 bandwidth. Not a factor when there is just one video card in a system.

I don't know where the idea of socket 1156 having a more limited lifespan than 1366 comes from. It's looking like all new sockets next year.
Intel's 2011 CPUs require new motherboards
Rumour: New socket to replace LGA1366 due in 2011
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June 6, 2010 10:42:04 PM

bandwidth issues rite?
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June 6, 2010 10:44:55 PM

HX is deluxe (modular) and TX is mainstream (non-modular) the HX is higher quality. Yeah 1156 looks good for you.
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June 6, 2010 10:46:27 PM


Thanks again both of you, I really am very grateful for your time.

It does seems like the 1156 platform would be the best choice after all when looking at all things.

I see that there has been two different power supplies in the thread, one "CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W" and one "CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V". What is the difference between the HX and TX?
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June 6, 2010 10:51:06 PM

I'm not pushing you away from i7-930 and X-58 systems since I recommend them as almost as often as i7-860 and P-55 systems.
I just happen to be more of a mainstream user than an enthusiast gamer.
And I like to see people get their money's worth.

Bottom line: Either option will be amazing. Price both to see what the actual difference is. And check your budget goals against the results.
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June 6, 2010 10:52:43 PM

Ya but it's true that 1156 is more suited for him. Still I love the i7 930.
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June 6, 2010 10:52:58 PM

I like the Asus one.
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June 6, 2010 10:55:45 PM

WR2 said:
I'm not pushing you away from i7-930 and X-58 systems since I recommend them as almost as often as i7-860 and P-55 systems.
I just happen to be more of a mainstream user than an enthusiast gamer.


I am not feeling you are pushing me. :)  Since this will not be a primary gaming platform I will also like to spend the money where it is best placed.

So, if going for a P55 board, there has been a few mentioned in the thread:

ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55
BIOSTAR H55 HD 1156
GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 1156 Intel P55

Would one of these be a good deal or is there any other quality card at a reasonable price?

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June 6, 2010 10:56:25 PM

Userremoved said:
HX is deluxe (modular) and TX is mainstream (non-modular) the HX is higher quality.


When should the HX version be needed and when would the TX be enough? WR2 also suggested a "Corsair 550VX". What could be a good solution?
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June 6, 2010 10:58:52 PM

Well if you sont want to SLI or Xfire that will be perfect. Also did you chose a 5750 or 5770?
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June 6, 2010 11:03:04 PM

Userremoved said:
Well if you sont want to SLI or Xfire that will be perfect.


Do you mean the TX or the Corsair 550VX?

Userremoved said:

Also did you chose a 5750 or 5770?


I did some checking for the brands you suggested, but have nothing decided. I presume that the 5770 is better in some way due to the higher number, but is there any indication of the gains?
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