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June 7, 2010 6:19:05 AM

I've always built my systems in the past, but the last system I built was like 5 years ago,
and it did very well for my needs, and then my current computer which is an HP 1600n and it
really SUCKS! It was given to me a few months ago, so I can't really complain about
what I spent on it. ;)  However, the wasted time and frustration with this computer,
has set back my productivity in many ways.

Anyway - it's time for a new computer, I have tried replacing ram 3 times, with Kingston,
generic brand, and no 2 sticks ever work together - only 1 Memory stick is recognized,
at any given time, and the motherboard only accepts 1 GB sticks, which makes everything
run SLOWWWLY - constant freezing, Premiere Pro won't even anymore.

I'm tired of trying to upgrade and troubleshoot this computer, and I'm just done dealing with it,
I have some projects that I'm working on now, and they involve video editing, as well as an overall
very well functioning computer that will not freeze and in turn slow me down.

I am looking for an overall well functioning computer that will perform when I multi task,
and will handle all tasks I throw at it quickly.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: NOW

Budget: $1500 - $2000 MAX

Country of Origin: Canada

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Video Editing with Adobe Premiere Pro CS5, Photoshop and other office applications.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Doesn't matter, willing to order online, or purchase at a
retail store. The quicker I can get my hands on a system the better.

PARTS PREFERENCES:
I need to have a Quad Core system, I'm looking into an i7 930,
6 GB - 12 GB RAM

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: I have a Samsung 323T - Currently i'ts running at 1280 x 768 -
I know I may need a true 1080p monitor, and will upgrade IF I have to, I really like my 32" screen now.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I am looking at a few options right now.

Option 1 Now - UPDATED list:

The build has been purchased!
I have some final research to finalize, and it's in regards to upgrading to a better card now, instead of upgrading later. Considering a GTX 470 or a 5870 card, since they're around a $50 difference.

The GTX 470 seems to run way too hot - but is a way better performer than the 5850.

i7 930 + ASUS P6X58D-E

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB 1600c7

120 GB SSD OCZ Vertex Series - Boot Drive

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 TB

ZOTAC GeForce GTS 250

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-650HX ( If I upgrade - I'll need 750w )

NH-D14 Cooler + 2 x 140mm Noctua NF-P14 Exhaust fans + 120mm rear fan - will get 2 x 120mm fans for front intake.

Samsung DVD Burner

CM 690 II Advanced

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Additional Notes:

Gaming is not that important to me on the PC as I have an Xbox 360, along
with a 47" 1080p LCD where all the gaming is done in the basement, plus,
these days, I don't really have time to play games.

My time is better spent working, and taking care of my family.

Although it'll be nice to play games on it once in a while, this will NOT be the primary focus
for this computer.

My main focus is to have a powerful Computer that can chew through all tasks I throw at it,
where I can do video editing without a hitch, with room to grow and expand if needed.

Any suggestions, feedback, and opinions on which option I should go with are welcomed.

...........

Whoa, sorry about all this info guys, I am doing thorough research right now, as I need to get
my hands on a new system asap.

Thanks in advance!
June 7, 2010 6:51:56 AM

Well IMO there should be an option 4 : AMD Phenom II X6 1090T 6-Core
Check its reviews...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-ii-x6-10...

And the 1st board in Option 1 - ASUS P7P55D Deluxe is not compatible with i7 9xx CPUs as its a LGA 1156 mobo and the i7 9xx CPUs are LGA 1366...

Also you wont need such powerful cards like 2x HD 5770s or HD 5870...A single HD 5670 would suffice if you wont be using the PC for gaming...

And I would rather suggest you to build the PC by yourself...IMO a good experience and also in the case of a Pre-built PC, if you come across with any issues, you would have to wait to get a response from the company...

So 1st decide which route you will be going and then we could come up with a suitable config...
Also rather than spending on premium components, go with mid-range ones, which IMO still are very good and with the money saved, you can get a SSD in your build, and that would be a very good component that you would like to have it in your build...
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June 7, 2010 6:57:42 AM

I'd recommend building from scratch if you can.

Not really any point going for the 960. Much more expensive and the clock speed that it has can be put on a 930.

For this build I'd recommend going with the 930 (preferably also overclocking it, since it's so good at it) or an amd hexa-core processor. With the 930 you'll need a mobo that uses the X58 chipset. This mobo: ASUS P7P55D Deluxe LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard that you listed uses the P55 chipset, so you can't use the 2 together.

A good X58 board from Gigabyte is the X58A-UD3R. Recommended buy from Tom's Hardware:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

check it out and see what you think (connections etc)

You may find AMD's hexa-core processors better for what you're doing. I'm not good with amd builds, but the hexa-cores might be a better choice here. Someone else should be able to point you in the right direction

6 or 12GB of 1333 or 1600 speed RAM with a latency of at least 8 is my recommendation (depends how heavy editing I guess)

The current samsung F3 drives are good, similar performance to the wd black drives, but cheaper:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

With graphics, you might want to look at a 5850, especially if you're willing to overclock it. It has performance a bit under 2 5770s. You could also look at a cheaper option like a single 5670 or 5770

Corsair TX-750 or HX-750 psu if you plan to overclock things while using the 5850, Corsair TX-650 if you don't. A 550W one should be enough if you use one of the lower end cards(there are some good antec psus too, but these are my pick)

Antec 300 Illusion (has more fans than standard 300), Antec 900/902, Cooler Master HAF 922/933, Cooler Master 690 II (and Cooler Master Storm Scout if you want a bit of fancy stuff) are all good cases. All sturdy with good airflow (some a bit better than others) - personal preference mostly.

If you overclock with the 930 then this is a great cpu cooler for its price:
http://tinyurl.com/cm-hyper-212

Yeah, that res is a bit small. You could dual monitor mb? Asus VH242H is pretty good:
http://tinyurl.com/asus-vh242h

If you're looking for an optical, Sony Optiarc drives are good.

That's a bit long, but it covers everything (for now). hope it helps. Good luck with the build :) 
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June 7, 2010 7:42:07 AM

Thanks for the long replies, I appreciate them.

Seeing how my OP is pretty long, I do appreciate the long replies as well. ;) 

I would like to be very thorough now, and get the best performing parts for the best price,
so I don't have regrets later, and can just enjoy my new rig, until it's time to upgrade again. ;) 

Ok - so .... I'm going to modify my OP, and update with the following.

I am willing to build myself, though I'm short on time as I have some very important
work to do, I'm willing to build it right the first time, and call around a few local places
to see if they can price match close to what I find on Newegg.ca for example.

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The approximate costs of this new system are:

CPU: i7 930 $300 + MOBO Combo: $513.98
RAM: 6 GB - $200
GPU: ???
HD: F3 - 1 TB - $79 + Primary Drive = ?
Case: $100 ( app )
PSU: $100 ( app )

So far - the approximate price is: $992.98 - I still have $500 or so to play with.... ;) 

Have to decide on GPU, hard drives, Case + PSU

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MOBO - X58A-UD3R - I've always been a fan of Gigabyte, and my last build used a Gigabyte MOBO.

Would this board be a better option over the Asus p6T boards?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=EN...

I'm willing to spend $250 - $300 on a MOBO where noticeable performance / upgradeability is justified.

CPU - i7 930 processor - $305 with shipping
http://www.dpbolvw.net/click-3463938-10593543?url=http%...

Combo Discount = $513.98
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

GPU: Do I really need a 5850 card?

Would this suffice? GeForce 9800 GT EE

And, aren't NVIDIA cards optimized to work with Adobe CSx products?

RAM - 6 GB - 12 GB of 1600 speed RAM with a latency of at least 8 - $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Will want to get another 6 GB down the road.

Hard Drives: Samsung F3 drive - 1 TB - $79
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=EN...

Should I have an OS drive + Scratch Disk drive?

If so - which 2 options would be best?

If I get an SSD drive, how much would I expect to pay? Which option is best / price?

PSU: I'm willing to overclock - and can go with Corsair TX-750 - $117

Case: It doesn't have to be fancy - I just want things properly cooled - with room for expansion.

Spending $200 - $250 MAX on a case and power supply would be ideal.

I don't need fancy stuff, just want things propery cooled, as quiet as possible,
I'd rather spend more in other areas. But I understand these are key components.

How safe is overclocking?

Is it true that it reduces the life exptancy of your hardware?

I'm willing to overclock after reading and following a proper guide. ;) 

Thanks again!
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June 7, 2010 7:55:48 AM

Overclocking should be done very cautiously, with with small bumps. And there are chances that the life will reduce. At first don't try to fiddle with the voltage settings in the beginning, use the unlocked multiplier if your CPU supports and the FSB first.
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June 7, 2010 8:23:24 AM

^^ Did you check out the AMD Phenom ??

And as for your build, Some suggestions
1. Memory -
Crucial 6GB DDR3 - A high quality RAM at a good price compared to other RAMs...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

2. CASE - This would be a good option...
Antec 300 Illusion
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Very good airflow with 4 stock fans...

3. PSU - You wont need a 750W
Get either of these...
Antec TP 550/ Seasonic S12 520
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

4. SSD- If you go with one, get either of these...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

5. Mobo - The Gigabyte is good, but before some days had seen some people complaining about the stablility issues...So just make sure if it is not present now...
Another option
ASUS P6X58D-E
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

5. Video card - This would be a good option...and Yes Adobe components favour Nvidia cards than ATI...but Premier also favours the ATI cards thanks to "ATI Stream" - Similar to CUDA from Nvidia...
PNY GT 240
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Hope these help...
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June 7, 2010 8:43:00 AM

I'm glued to the review now.... and was editing my OP, but I guess, I'll create a new reply for
our official option 4. :) 

Thanks for mentioning it!

Option 4 - AMD Phenom II X6 1090T - $320
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

The Review Board: MSI 890FXA-GD70 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Now, the questions become, which boards will / can support up to 12 GB, or do they all
come with 4 DIMM slots?

Since this processor just came out about a month ago, would it be wise to wait for
more motherboards to come out? Will future MOBO's support 6 DIMM's?

One noticeable thing I just found is this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-ii-x6-10...

Lo and behold, even with the fastest single-GPU card you can buy, the Phenom II X6 doesn’t spring to life. Meanwhile, the overclocked Core i7 leaps forward by quite a bit. This is eerily reminiscent of a gaming piece I wrote back in 2008 comparing high-end AMD and Intel gaming rigs. All else equal, the Phenom X4 I was testing at the time was simply creamed by Core i7 in Crysis.

This one gaming test opened up a ton of additional reformatting, reinstalling, and testing, just to make sure everything was reproducible. The conclusion we’re going to draw early on is that a six-core CPU running at a lower clock rate—Turbo CORE or not—is probably not the way to go for gamers. At any rate, onto Left 4 Dead 2.

I'm not going to be gaming much, but the graphical performance is not as on par with the Phenom,
and I wonder how this will affect video editing?

And now, somethng to noteable to look at, in CoD MW 2 - it outperformed all others!
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-ii-x6-10...

Back to the review.... :) 
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June 7, 2010 9:11:07 AM

with the graphics, sorry bout the recommendation for the 5850 (overkill) didn't really get it at the time..

240 gt with 550w psu or thereabouts is a nice combo. The psu's recommended by gkay are both pretty good.

you are probably better off with the 6 cores of the 1090, but both the intel and amds builds are viable.
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June 7, 2010 9:17:30 AM

^ Well all boards come with 4 RAM slots...
And as for more than 4 DIMMs, then you would have to wait for AMD's next gen CPUs or Intel's i7 9xx CPUs...
But I doubt you would notice significant performance difference though...

And also if you want more RAM, maybe you can get a 2x 4GB kit
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

So later on add another 8GB, making it a total of 16GB ;) 

And also I dont think you would need any of those boards...
The 870 chipset boards will be good enough...
GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 - Has 2 eSATA ports + 2 firewire ports
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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June 7, 2010 9:17:46 AM

EDIT: Dint refresh...

As for the GT 240's power requirements, even the Corsair 400CX/ Antec EA 380 would suffice...but those 500W+ would be good enough for future upgrades...
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June 7, 2010 9:18:04 AM

After reading the reviews, considering what my true purpose is...

AMD’s hexa-core Phenom II X6 1090T is decidedly a productivity-oriented part designed to improve the performance of threaded apps.

Thanks again!
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June 7, 2010 9:30:54 AM

^ Yes I was talking about the Phenom IIs and specifically the Phenom II X6 1090T...

And overclocked to 4Hz with stock cooling ??? Are your temps in check ??
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June 7, 2010 9:31:06 AM

gkay09 said:
^^ Did you check out the AMD Phenom ??



You are talking about Phenom or Phenom II
I have Phenom II X4 955 BE
I overclocked it to 4.01 GHz on Gigabyte MA785GMT-US2H bu just increasing the FSB and the multiplier on stock cooling.
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June 7, 2010 9:36:52 AM

wow! :o  4Ghz on stock cooling! :o 

how did you do that without frying the cpu..?
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June 7, 2010 9:47:25 AM

The temps were normal, 955 overclocks to 3.8 very easily just by increasing the multiplier. To get it running it 4GHz i optimized the FSB and multiplier both. I din't do any hardcore stability tests, but just run few benchmarks and used it for at least 2 hours stable.

OFF topic: I am new to this forum, and i din't quiet get how a post is selected as best answer, am i too eligible for selecting other's post? And i also noticed that certain threads have thumbs up & thumbs down symbol while others don't have?
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June 7, 2010 9:50:34 AM

umm.. okay?

To you per chance live in antarctica?

anyway, nice oc if you've kept temps fine on stock ;) 
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June 7, 2010 10:06:53 AM

Someone reply my OFF topic query also
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June 7, 2010 12:16:42 PM

The person who starts the post decides who has the best answer. Other forum members to not have the ability to do so.

The comments section of reviews, news etc have thumbs up/down for rating posts etc. I think that's the only place where that is, but it might be in other places too, I've only been here a month

ed:
hmm.. there are some in the standard forums too..
mb a more experienced person can tell us?
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June 7, 2010 5:34:06 PM

Ok guys - the thread got off topic - I'd like to get back on topic because I need to start building this system right away...

I think I'm going with the Phenom II X6 1090T - those benchmarks were impressive for multi-threaded applications which is my primary use for this build. Yeah I know, it's not a great gaming performer, but I'm hardly going to be gaming on it.

I started doing research on: GA-870A-UD3

Is this board comparable with the review board? MSI 890FXA-GD70

Found this in regards to SSD's

I meant to use the AMD SATA III raid with my Intel SSD's.- not a happening thing. The Intels are NOT recognized in SATA III raid mode, as I understand it this is an Intel firmware issue, not a problem with the 850 southbridge. I doubt that Intel is going to rush out an updated firmware to help out an AMD situation so be aware of this issue.

GPU: Is this still a good option? GeForce 9800 GT EE

The reviewer on the PNY VCGGT2405G5XEB GeForce GT 240 said that HDMI doesn't work, and didn't receive much service.

Now - I have to decide on the Ram - is this my absolute best option for 8 GB?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Will I need to overclock this for the purpose I am using it for?

I believe the rest of the specs we have will remain the same...

Looking at this case:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Will a 650 Watt PSU suffice? If over-clocking in the future...

I'm looking at the seasonics - and they are out of stock.

gkay09 thanks a lot for adding option 4 - as this is turning out to be the best option for me right now. :) 

Mark, thanks a lot for your feedback as well.
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June 7, 2010 6:12:12 PM

^^
Get Corsair TX 650, AFAIK Corsair PSU's are manufactured by Seasonic, Corsair only gives the reference designs, so seasonic should not be bad, but the Corsair's are better. I would striclty recommend Corsair
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June 7, 2010 7:17:04 PM

^^ Don't get EE version of 9800GT,its underclocked, get normal one.
Did you consider ATI instead of Nvidia, like ATI Radeon HD5770?

Din' like the Choice of Corsair TX650 for PSU?
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June 7, 2010 9:40:22 PM

It's not that I didn't like the PSU choice, but it was more related to the combo newegg.ca has.

This build will be primarily for video editing and as a couple people mentioned before, I could get away with even a 5670 card.

The reason I chose this card was from a previous post recommendation, but I think that was for a budget build I believe.

I do want a high performing GPU, keeping in mind it is geared towards using Adobe Premiere CS5.
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June 7, 2010 11:46:00 PM

Alrighty - here's the UPDATED list including shipping from newegg.ca

Here's the UPDATED list:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T - $321.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

MOBO: GA-870A-UD3 - $122.23 - Is this my best option?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

GPU: ?????

Hard Drives - 1 x 1TB Samsung F3 - $90
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

OS DRIVE - TBD - Possibly the Intel X25-M Mainstream 80GB Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $245
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 - would prefer 1600 - $288.48
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

or

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Cost before taxes and pending GPU and drives: $936.08

Price including SSD + F3 = $1271.08

Cooling and overclocking options tbd.
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June 8, 2010 4:49:54 AM

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1. Mobo - I wont say its the best mobo, but w.r.t your needs, IMO that is the best board...You wont need the premium features that the 890FX/ 890GX chipsets provide - Crossfire most importantly...Do you think you will be running 2 high power cards in Crossfire in this PC ???

2. RAM - Check out this one...I feel that going with tighter timings is a better option...
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 CAS 7
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
So with this RAM, if you loosen the timings to say 8, then you can run this RAM at 1333MHz, which will be better than the before mentioned RAM, that runs at CAS 9 @ 1333MHz...So you get a better RAM cheaper...

3. That case + PSU is fine...both are very good...
Another option...
COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
+ Corsair 650TX
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
After rebates, it comes out cheaper and that case has better features...check it out...

4. Video card - I doubt that is a manufacturing defect with the HDMI...And not a default issue...So I dont think that would be a problem...But if you want another option
XFX GT 240
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

5. SSD - Another option - OCZ Vertex would be good...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

6. CPU Cooler - CM Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
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June 8, 2010 5:46:03 AM

nvm
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June 8, 2010 6:35:40 AM

Thanks for the 2 additional options, I don't mind being under $200 for a great video card, because now that I think about it, I may want to play a game here and there, since I'm likely going to hook this up to the 47" LG 1080p 240 HZ, and I'm sure this will be a whole new video editing experience, as I will have lots of room to view.

Once this is set up, it'll be hard to go back to the office screen 323T @ 1280 x 768

With that said, here are some final options:

XFX GT240XZHFC GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit DDR5 - $126.23
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

This became a contender after I read Alvin Smith needed a GPU for Video Edit/Transcode & moderate 3D motion titles and verious 3d/particle effects and transitions. Based on his post story, he knows his video editing GPU very well, and this was chosen since he could only use Nvidia cards....
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/283043-31-please-gpus...

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PNY VCGGTS2501XPB GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 - $156
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

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GPU: XFX Radeon 5770 1GB - $179.48
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Essentially a $53 difference between the 1st and last, and only a $10 difference between the 5770 and GTS 250

This is a small price to pay for a premium GPU that I may actually find a use for in the future.

Will the 5770 give me a considerable advantage with video editing over the others?

The 5770 has DirectX 11 which will have me prepared for future needs, should my gaming needs change. ;) 

Plus, does it have support



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Last but not least - how about this case?
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel - $135.99 with shipping
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Same price as the COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II

To be honest - I don't know enough about them to know the difference yet.

This is my 1st build in 5 years! But I appreciate the progress we made in just 1 day!

This rig is pretty much built already. :) 

( I always wondered what Crysis is like ) ... yes I'm well aware this processor under performs in gaming, and I am still clearly focused on it's primary purpose! But wouldn't it be nice to know that after spending $1500 or so, that I'll be able to play games should the need arise? :) 
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June 8, 2010 8:55:10 AM

^^ Well the GTS and the HD 5770 are good cards...
And the HD 5770 would perform well with Adobe Premier as there is a plug-in, which takes advantage of ATI's Stream...but not sure of other Adobe products though...

And as for the case, both are very good...
The advantage that the 692 has is that it has an external SATA dock built into that tower...and also has 2.5" adapter that comes with the case...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

If you look at functionality, then the 690 II is better, but in terms of design, the HAF 922 will get my vote...

SO get any of those cases...
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June 9, 2010 4:38:38 PM

Thanks for the feedback once again!

I'm leaning towards the 692 case now, as a couple people have recommended it, and after reading both case reviews, this is the one I'm going with! :) 

I'm doing some final research on which GPU I'm gonna go with.

Thanks a lot for the feedback and help thus far, I appreciate it!

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June 9, 2010 8:02:26 PM

Ok ... Guess I'll get into the bidding.

Mobo: ASROCK 890FX DELUXE 3 @~$155
Proc = Phenom-II x6Core 1050T (moderate OC to ~3.6GHz+) @~$200
Heat Sink = Noctua @~$75
Ram = 4x2GB Ripjaws 1600c7 = 8GB @~$240
GPU = Zotac 250 @~$120
Ingest and Omon = Blackmagic Intensity HD (allows HDMI ingest & 3rd "output mon") @~$200
Boot/Apps = INTEL G2 80GB SSD @~$225
Media Volume = 2 x 7200.12 1.5TB RAID-0 (384GB primary "short-fast" active projects partition) ~$200
SAMSUNG, ASUS, SONY, LG SATA 22x DVDR (yes to LightScribe) ~$26
PSU = Corsair "Blue" 650 TX @~$120
A cool Case that can take any upgrades. @~$90

GRAND TOTAL FOR CORE ITEMS, LISTED ABOVE ~=~ $ 1,661

~~~~~~~~~~~ OPTIONS ~~~~~~~~~~~~

Win7Pro-64 (OEM) ~(ADD $99)
Vegas Studio 9 Platinum (with Pro-Pack) (ADD ~$95)
Just One SpinPoint F3 1TB drive, for media content (subtract $120)
Only 4GB RAM 2x2 (Subtract $120)
Full Tower Schnazzy-Case (ADD ~$60)
Cheaper PSU (Subtract $30)
Faster ??? 1090T CPU (ADD $100)
Card Reader (ADD ~$20)
Logitech 8-button mse +$42
Logitech Illuminated KB +$80
Rokit 6" studio monitors (2) +$300
Presonus i/o and DAW sw ~$300~$600
SONY MDR 7506 "Studio Cans" ~+$90

= Burp =

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June 10, 2010 7:26:21 AM

Hey Guys,

Special thanks to gkay09 for sending me down the Phenom path, and Alvin Smith for your build ideas
and knowledge on video editing advice behind the scenes, I really appreciate your help.

The ram I want is out of Stock until June 14, so I have a couple days to keep tweaking if necessary,
but this looks pretty solid to get started with. :) 

Can you guys point me to any guides for overclocking this CPU, as well cable management tutorials?

I might as well get prepared while I wait.

Here's What's In The Cart:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz - $215 - Will OC to 3.6
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

MOBO: ASRock 890GX Extreme3 - $159.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

GPU: ZOTAC GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

OS DRIVE
- Intel X25-M Mainstream 80GB Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $245
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Hard Drive: - 1 x 1TB Samsung F3 - $90
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

OR This is a $10 difference for a 750W

This CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX is $109 @ 750W
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Current Total With Taxes & Shipping: $1,209.24

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The RAM I want is Out of Stock:

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $262.49

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I was going to buy this Heat Sink! Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler

It was $89 a couple hours ago, now it's gone up to $109!
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

The reviewers made it sound amazing, for $15 more, I'd have a MUCH quiter Heat Sink.
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June 10, 2010 6:34:57 PM

Use THIS ...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

NOTE ! : This requires a backplate, on the AM3s ... You MUST install your RAM + CPU + Cooler (with both fans) ... in that order ... BEFORE you mount your mobo, in the chassis ... because you will need unfettered access to the back-side of the mobo in order to mount the cooler's back-plate.

= Alvin =
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June 10, 2010 7:10:27 PM

kg,

See latest PM ... DO NOT go for the 7200.11 !

Caviar Black ... if over 1TB ...

F3 if 1TB or 500GB ... final answer !

= Al =
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June 11, 2010 12:15:16 AM

Thanks Al,

I haven't bought the hard drives yet, I'm purchasing everything on Monday,
this way I can let the weekend settle, and do any final comparisons before
taking the plunge. :) 

I just got back from purchasing the COOLER MASTER RC-692 though,
found it for $89.99 locally!

The build has officially begun. :) 

So, I'm just gonna stick with the Samsung F3 1TB - $79.99
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June 11, 2010 4:16:52 AM

^^ Have you bought that ASRock mobo ??
If NO, then get any of these...Not that ASRock is bad, but for that price, I would go with a better one...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit...|13-130-269^13-130-269-TS,13-128-435^13-128-435-TS,13-131-631^13-131-631-TS

And RAM dont populate all the 4 slots at one go...Even though you would pay a small premium for 2x 4GB sticks, but they are well worth it if you will be needing more RAM in the future...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

And +1 for the F3...
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June 11, 2010 4:51:27 AM

Must flat-out disagree, with GK, on both counts.

I have researched ALL those mobos ... Forget the MSI (slow USB3 implenmentation ... no use for IGP) ... Forget the Gigabyte board (Putting any card in the 3rd 16X slot will drag the 2nd GPU down to 8X) ... The ASUS ? ... It is a contender, but the ASUS is more game-oriented than the ASROCK, and costs considerably more ... If the ASROCK was not on the table, I would consider the ASUS, as a "fairly close", 2nd choice.

On the RAM ... HELL if you are ever going to exceed 8GB on an AM3 build ... does not make economic sense ... If you plan to go to 12GB, think about an X58 build, right now.

I WILL say this, about the 2x4GB option ... It CAN BE just a little easier to acheive stability, in "marginal cases" ... Adding 4 sticks (at any time) may require boosting the voltage, slightly, just like if you were running two sprinklers, off of the same garden hose.

But 4GB modules are unduly pricey and those CAS7 RipJaws are primo (no probs EVER, that I have ever heard of ... ever) ...

Just for the record, I stand by my choices, and DO defend them, for YOUR sake.

Sorry, GK ... Think I am just a little bit "more correct", for this build/usage ... THIS time.

= Al =
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June 11, 2010 4:55:55 AM

PS ...

I MUST ASK ... WHY??? What about the ASROCK option would make you go to ALL THAT trouble, to "trot out" not one, but THREE other (supposedly better) options ??

Great reviews ... by THG and by Owners (of the ASROCK) ... GREAT price ... Best PCIe allocation EVER (on an 890 mobo) ... what has your "thingies" bunched up in such a knot ?? ... Why cast such (ominous) doubt ?

Not as if it was a BIOSTAR ... or anything like that.

= wtf?! =

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June 11, 2010 8:42:54 AM

^^ Well let me give the reason for my suggestions...

Mobo - I dont see why would the OP want to populate more than 2 graphics card...If you see my previous suggestions, the 870 was my 1st choice for his build...
And also USB 3.0 and SATA implementation wont be affected in his case as I dont see him populating all the graphic slots anytime...

And also you do accept that ASUS is better than ASRock right ?? then why would you want to get ASRock when you get the ASUS for the same price ??
ASRock boards though are good, but are second to ASUS and Gigabyte when comes to quality...This I am pretty sure...

And as for RAM, I still stand by my choice...$123 for a 4GB stick is a good deal IMO...
And its easy to populate all 4 RAM slots with these as these run at speeds 1066MHz with tighter timings...So pretty much easy to run them even at 1333MHz CAS 8, which is still pretty good...
And DDR3 prices will fall no doubt so it also allows him to add more RAM just incase he needs them...

And good to have some creative arguements ;) 
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June 11, 2010 9:35:42 AM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the feedback so far, I really love seeing all angles to this build.

Like I said - I will be buying parts on Monday, I already have a case, so I wanted to give this the weekend to decide and settle

To give everyone a better visual, check this out:

Intel Build - $1308 - BEFORE taxes and shipping


VS.

AMD Build - $1174



With AMD - what will overclock better?

is the 1055T fine vs the 1090T?

Notice there's around a $134 difference, and that mainly comes from the
i7 930 being $100 more, and the MOBO being $100 more as well.

While the Ram for the AMD build is $57 more for an 8 GB set ( 2 x 4GB )

Why an 8 GB set? I figured I could upgrade that to 16 GB later down
the line - IF it's necessary - it's nice to have the option, instead of having
the MOBO full at 8 GB now.

Plus, if we calculate the price of 8GB RAM @ ( 2 x 2GB ) $123 x 2 = $246

vs

2 x 4GB = $257

This is only a $9 difference, for 8 GB RAM in both scenarios,
except for the fact that I have the OPTION to upgrade to 16 GB
if necessary. Having full Mobo's in the past, I love knowing
that I have that option.

Of course, if 4 GB RAM will be more than plenty for me - than that shaves off
another $130, for a difference of about $260 between the 2 builds.

Keep in mind that I am coming from a computer that has been functioning
low on memory, the MOBO only handled 1GB sticks, and recenly
only 1 of the 4 dimm slots work. So I'm a little memory traumatized
right now, working on a super slow system. ;) 

if I am going to spend $1500ish, I just want to make sure I am getting the best possible build, that will produce the best possible performance,
within or around that budget.

If you knew how badly of shape my current computer is in right now,
either build is going to be heavenly for me!

$134 difference is not going to break the bank!

$260 is a significant difference, IF 4 GB is more than enough, if
8 GB is going to provide me blazing speeds at all times, I'm already
prepared for the 8 GB route - or 6 GB route with Intel.

The case is bought and I spent $100 for it, the heat sink is pending,
I have to get further feedback on overclocking, and getting the proper
hardware up front.

So ..... what is the better build? Performance wise...

Let the educated debate continue.... :) 

This is the true AMD vs. Intel head to head test. :) 

Try to keep the debate subjective - and stick to facts, benchmarks,
longevity, future plans, what will overclock better? etc, etc

I don't really care what brand I end up with, I have owned both brands
in the past, and I am fine with either brand.

I just want to know that we built the best possible rig, for my upcoming
video editing, and every day work needs, with some very minor gaming
to reward myself. :) 

The performance should be focused on video editing on Premiere Pro,
rendering, converting, as well as using photoshop, heck I may even
give Vegas a chance again.

what ever is going to help me work the fast, and most productive,
that's the route I want to purue.
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June 11, 2010 10:02:32 AM

If the PC will be for video encoding, then the 1055T offers very good value IMO
- Once when overclocked even to the 1090T levels, it can easily hold up with the i7 and will perform similar to the the 1090T as rest of the specs are same except clock speed...So you say a good $100 there...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-...

Also would like to add the info that the next gen AMD "BullDozer" CPUs would probably run on AM3 boards as well so that would also add more value to the AMD build...
http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/what-we-know-about-am...
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June 11, 2010 10:30:00 AM

Sounds good - the AMD build is loaded up on my cart right now. :) 

Alvin suggested overclocking it to 3.6 levels, which is fine by me, I don't need to possibly fry the CPU, or reduce the lifetime of it by heavily overclocking it.
Like I mentioned earlier, this will be my first Overclock.

I'm sure the 1090T will easily OC to 4.0 +

I guess the next questions are - do I really need the 2 x 4GB ram
as described above?

----

Thanks for sharing that article, and providing your input.

Your future Bulldozer CPU
The first enthusiast CPU to employ the Bulldozer design is currently codenamed Zambezi, and it will contain four of these dual core modules for a total of eight cores. We also know for a fact that Zambezi will use socket AM3, meaning anyone with a DDR3 Phenom II motherboard will be ready to rock with a BIOS upgrade.

+1 for AMD. :) 

Knowing that I'll be able to upgrade to a new processor, makes sense to
stick with the 1055T and overclocking it!

Have you done any more research on the ASROCK?

It seems to be a very future proof board.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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June 11, 2010 10:41:14 AM

^ For video editing, 8GB RAM wont have much advantage, but Photoshop more the RAM the better...
And as for the price, the 8GB kit is about $247 - which is about $123 for 4GB and when compared to a good 2x2GB kit, the price difference will be about $10-$15...IMO it is not a very high premium that you pay...
And I would suggest you to get this kit...Like I said 1066MHz with CAS 7 can easily run even at 1600MHz when the timings are loosened to 9...So this is a good set IMO...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

But if you are still not convinced, then go with 4x 2GB kit, but just make sure you get a tighter timings over faster speed as it will be difficult to set higher speeds when populating all the 4 slots...

And also wait for Alvin to post his views...
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June 11, 2010 5:41:57 PM

Thanks again for the feedback - I will be doing some photoshop work, and there will be times where I will be working with Photoshop to get prints done, cleaning up images and preparing them for professional prints.

I am going to be getting an Epson 9800, so we can make prints of paintings. It's hard to say how much I'll use Photoshop, but I'm definitely going to be using it.

Like I said before, I am coming from a pretty horrd experience with RAM,
and I would much rather have more than not enough.

Any pros of going with the Intel build?
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June 12, 2010 4:47:11 AM

Something MUST be a little out of whack, here ....

First ... Let us consider that 8GB of 2ch RAM is going to yeild the same performance (in all respects) as 6GB of 3ch RAM (X58 mobo) ....

... Let's also agree that a 3.6GHz 1055T is not exactly gonna run circles around a 930 which would be just as "comfortable" running at just over 3.8GHz ...

But here is the crux of the matter, which has me leaning toward X58, for my own build.

Let us look (exactly) 44 months, down the road (if the road is even as long as that!).

I have read, and do believe, that intel is going to 12 full cores, on the 1366 socket.
... That would mean (if implemented) ... 24 (hyper) threads using (now 12GB) of 3ch RAM ... And that is as far as the 1366 socket will "go".

Conversely ... Socket AM3 has only ~938 pins and AMD cores are NOT HyperThreaded.

How far can the AM3 socket take us?

If the difference between a 1055T+8GB is less than $250 cheaper than a 930+6GB ...

Then ... if that proves out to be true ??? ... DUDES ! ... X58 !

Will I EVER finalize this build ??? ... Jeeesh ... this is driving me batty!

= Al =
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June 12, 2010 4:53:20 AM

... And, ... I have a very hard time disagreeing with gKay's logic (like, ever), but I do not always reach the same conclusions ... always a very interesting "quest" ...

... The really great and beautiful aspect of this thread is that ANY and ALL of this advice is truly golden ... we are shaving slivers, here ... even between AMD and INTEL !!!

How crazy is that! ... Either way, you win !!!

= Al =
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June 12, 2010 7:11:56 AM

Yes, exactly - this has been a very fun build so far - even if I don't know which way to go yet! I still have 2 days to go.

I thought the 1366 socket was dying socket?

44 MONTHS is a long way to go - what ever I upgrade to next in 3 1/2 years, willll most likely be a MOBO / processor upgrade, or a brand new build! If it was 12 months down the road, that'd be a different story.

With AMD - we can expect a new processor for this board in about a year.

Ok - so - now u're leaning towards Intel....

I heard the i7 860 has better graphics performance than say the i7 930
is this true?

Besides the Processor / Mobo / RAM at least everything else remains the same for this build right?

Which Processor / Mobo combo would be best IF I went with Intel?

The debate continues.... :) 
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June 12, 2010 8:38:20 AM

Hey Alvin, and others following this thread, a new update has emerged...

After reading another review, benchmarks and people's comments, it's pretty clear that Intel is the way to go.

Check this out:
http://www.techspot.com/review/269-amd-phenom2-x6-1090T...

The Final Thoughts Pretty Much Summarize It:
http://www.techspot.com/review/269-amd-phenom2-x6-1090T...

Starting with the Phenom II X6 1090T, this processor can be matched to the Core i7 930 processor as they are both priced around the $300 mark. Unfortunately for the Phenom, the Core i7 930 processor was faster in most of our real-world tests. The Intel CPU dominated in all of our application benchmarks and was much faster in all of our gaming benchmarks.

Now, the question is i7 930 vs i7 860, one reviewer wrote:

"The i7 860 is an amazingly fast chip. The combination of Hyperthreading and a faster Turbo Boost makes this chip faster than the Core i7 920 in most benchmarks. The differences are especially stark single-threaded applications because the 860 regularly runs at 3.33 Ghz in single-threaded apps yielding a 15-20% increase over non-turbo mode. That means - for regular desktop and game usage- this chip will crush the 920 since most apps are at most optimized for dual-core setups. In addition, 1156 socket motherboards are $50-100 cheaper than 1366 motherboards."

Now, I gotta get myself some benchamrks on the 930 vs 860 ;) 

On paper the 1090T is a great processor since it's a hexacore processor, but in the real world, most apps are not designed to optimize those extra cores, and thus the Intel chips are outperforming them, Handbrake is the one exception, since it uses all those extra cores really well, and thus gets full performance out of the chips. However..

Since most real world apps, as well as gaming are optimized for 1 - 2 cores, this is giving Intel the edge, the i7 920 consistently outpeformed the 1090T in photoshop, gaming and other apps, and once again the i7 has become a contender for my build...

The quest continues...
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June 12, 2010 12:22:09 PM

Oh, lord ... please don't make me explain why 1156 is NOT the way to go ... please !?

I am getting burned out on all this but I'll go ahead and explain what *I* am planning on doing ... now ...

Preamble: I have decided that, I want to wait a year or even two, to get a REAL CS5/Intensity rig ... Why? ... because I have no less than a dozen "REAL" projects, to edit (DV-25) ... and Four HDV "fully shot and ready to bake" projects, in my plastic "tote-o-tapes" ... as I type this. ... Those projects and another ~20+ hours of family home videos (DV-25, Hi-8, VHS-C) to "winnow-down"(cut the crap) , log, and ingest to HDDs ... prolly converting to AVCHD. ... And, I have another 60+ hours of "wild college dorm and frollick" tapes and "ho-ho road trips" (up route 1 in CA, ... a Cape Kennedy Shuttle Launch, etc.) ... mopeds in the hallways ... TWISTER in the elevator ... Disco in the basement, ... etc. ... Sunset at Pebble Beach (thru crashing surf) ... and on ...
(All in VHS or S-VHS) ... running all the way back to 1984.

So I might just buy an ASUS 890GX Pro(USB3) ... And ...

Asus 890GX $150
Athlon-II x4Core 635 (2.9GHz) is $100
Stock Cooler (will OC to find the highest stable OC WITHOUT overvolting)
4GB RipJaws 1600c7 (2x2GB) ... Will go 1333c8 if can save $20 ~~ ($114)
Corsair P128 128GB SSD (Already own (in dead notebook) ($0)
3 (count-'em, "three") Spinpoint F3 drives (removeable drive trays..one active at a time).
Zotac passive cooled 240 (~$100)
DVDR (SAMSUNG IDE ... Already have) ($0)
1 (one) Scythe 120mm Slipstream fan (to point at Zotac) $9
1 Silenz 80mm side intake replacement (mo' quiet) ... $9
Old Case (Already Have) ($0)
480W Antec TruePower PSU ... bought 2 yrs ago, still in box (new) ($0)
Vegas 10 Platinum (Just Released) $100
Win7-64Pro $135
52" LG 1080P/120Hz and ViewSonic 22" 1080P/120Hz (already own) ($0)
Cheap used dell laser mouse (local supplier) ... $6
Cheap used DELL KB ... $10
plus ... removable drive carrier ... $20

Grand total ... $993 (The Hardware *alone* comes in at $758) !

... and, add another few bucks for incidentals and another $300 for Audio DAW Software and MIDI I/O adapter.

Something like that ... When I am satisfied that I am done playing with all that old footage ... THEN (whenever), I will take that Athlon-II & ASUS IGP and make it into my lo-pro surf-box and HTPC (silent and under-clocked) ... Run my DAW (audio) sw on it, too.

... I will THEN have a better handle on the "revised landscape".

= Al =
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June 12, 2010 6:14:03 PM

Ok wait - I am going with an INTEL build now - and would like to have recommendations for that, I am starting EVERTHING from scratch

I am NOT going with 1156, I'm going to build this with 1366.

When I started this thread, my original choice was Intel...

Check out this Intel Build

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ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $249.99

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 - $298.99

ZOTAC ZT-20109-10P GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 $134.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI $159.99 -$50.00 Instant $109.99

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $204.49

I picked this RAM randomly just for illustration purposes
Will get another 6 GB kit in the future.

Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB - $239.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 -$79.99

I already have a case, and need a heat sink
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