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May 2, 2010 2:03:16 PM

Hi,

I'm thinking of getting the FUJITSU ESPRIMO P1500 DESKTOP TOWER V2 and looking at the technical specs on the fujitsu website https://sp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/docs/ds-esprimo-p1500.pd... it looks like it has a 330w psu. What would be the best graphics card I could fit in there without frying the psu?

I was looking at the palit 9800 gt (green version) as that doesn't draw any extra power from the psu. Any suggestions?

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a c 1367 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 2:06:54 PM

The 9800GT as you suggest or a HD5670.
May 2, 2010 2:12:36 PM

On the Palit website it lists the minimum power requirements as 400w, or are they just erring on the side of caution?
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a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 2:18:05 PM

They are erring on the side of caution since they never know what type of 400W PSU a person may actually own.
There are budget PSUs that barely put out 300W on the important +12V rail.
May 2, 2010 2:33:08 PM

cheers gents, looks like i'll be giving it a try.
May 2, 2010 2:35:34 PM

oh, does it make much of a performance/power draw difference if i get the 512mb or 1gb version?
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 2:59:03 PM

There is a very small increase. So it doesnt make much difference at all.
What resolution is your monitor? 512MB is usually satisfactory for a 1280x1024 or 1440x900 monitor.
At 1680x1050 a 1GB video card starts making a difference. For 1920x1080 and higher the difference would become noticeable when using the higher image quality filters.
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 3:05:59 PM

the regular 9800GT is too slow to use 1GB of RAM, the eco version is even slower so no need to get 1GB.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 3:19:55 PM

ct1615 said:
the regular 9800GT is too slow to use 1GB of RAM
It's more about screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings.
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 3:30:10 PM

WR2 said:
It's more about screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings.


No, as usual you are wrong, its about the actual card. A 4650 1GB will run 1920x1080 exactly the same as a 4650 512mb card, as will a eco 9800GT. I own both a 1920x1080 monitor and a 9800GT (among other cards). Please refrain from constantly posting incorrect information to posters, I have noticed you do this very often.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 3:32:21 PM

a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 3:34:27 PM

a radeon 4870 is a much faster card then the 9800GT and is able to utilize 1GB

you simply proving me correct, and yourself incorrect

a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 3:45:11 PM

ct1615 said:
you simply proving me correct, and yourself incorrect
Really?
That chart shows TWO 4870s and the only difference is VRAM.
How do you explain the differences in performance? Speed?

a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 4:11:14 PM

because as i previously stated "a radeon 4870 is a much faster card then the 9800GT and is able to utilize 1GB "

should i state that a 3rd time for you to get it?
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 4:19:37 PM

OK;
Just so we're all clear about what you're claiming.

A 4870 1GB card has better performance than a 4870 512MB card only because:
"a radeon 4870 is a much faster card then the 9800GT and is able to utilize 1GB"

a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 4:28:18 PM

a 4870 1GB is a better performance card then the 4870 512mb because the 4870 is fast enough to utilize 1GB of RAM

a 9800GT 1GB is the same performance as 9800GT 512mb because the 9800GT is not fast enough to utilize 1GB of ram

a 8800GT 256mb is faster then a 9500GT 1GB because the 8800GT is faster then the 9500GT even though the 9500GT has 1GB of RAM.

a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 4:36:40 PM

It's more about screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 4:48:30 PM

Here is how another forum remember described the usage and effect of different VRAM sizes.
Video Cards 1GB vs 512MB?
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 4:51:09 PM

WR2 said:
It's more about screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings.



no, you are wrong again, its all about the over-all performance level of the card and the link talks about an ATI 5750, not a 9800GT. The ATI 5750, 4850, and Nvidia GTS250 is at the minimum of where you start to see any benefit from 1GB. You clearly have no understanding of what you are talking about.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 4:54:30 PM

ct1615 said:
no, you are wrong again, its all about the over-all performance level of the card and the link talks about an ATI 5750, not a 9800GT. The ATI 5750, 4850, and Nvidia GTS250 is at the minimum of where you start to see any benefit from 1GB. You clearly have no understanding of what you are talking about.
I'm right and you're wrong.
a c 1367 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 4:56:01 PM

The point here is that a 9800GT is just enough power wise to run resent games at 1680 x 1050 resolution. It does it equally whether the card has 512mb or 1gb of ram turning on AA and AF will drop the performance down on both cards to unplayable levels because of GPU performance limitation not because of ram size.
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:01:52 PM

"The biggest misconception out there is that more graphics RAM will increase gaming performance. But, for the most part, this is untrue. While the bandwidth of the graphics RAM might have a direct effect on gaming performance, the quantity of RAM doesn't have a direct impact on how fast a graphics card
performs"

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-ram-4870,2...

this a review of the 512mb, 1GB, and 2GB 4870's. This is a card that is fast enough to utilize 1GB of RAM yet according to your "theory" the 2GB version should blow away the 1GB version with AA, shocking the FPS is exactly the same...maybe the 4870 is not fast enough to utilize the 2GB of RAM????
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:10:34 PM

Excellent benchmarks to help illustrate my position.
Grand Theft Auto IV
"It's the most interesting for our purposes because GTA IV actually reports the exact amount of graphics card RAM it needs for the graphical settings the user chooses, which is absolutely perfect for our purposes. It turns the theoretical into tangible when you can see the actual memory usage impact of choosing higher draw distances, texture resolution, shadow fidelity, and resolution."

a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:12:52 PM

9800GT (and 8800GT), 9600GT, and 4670 512mb vs 1GB versions
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/287650-33-best-graphi...

the 512mb and 1GB all have the same FPS even with 4AA, 8AF across all resolutions...in fact the 4670 512mb keeps beats the 4670 1GB. How is all this possible???

WR2 states "screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality" will allow 1GB cards to perform better then 512mb on ALL cards!!!
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:15:05 PM

WR2 said:
Excellent benchmarks to help illustrate my position.
Grand Theft Auto IV
"It's the most interesting for our purposes because GTA IV actually reports the exact amount of graphics card RAM it needs for the graphical settings the user chooses, which is absolutely perfect for our purposes. It turns the theoretical into tangible when you can see the actual memory usage impact of choosing higher draw distances, texture resolution, shadow fidelity, and resolution."


:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

a 3FPS increase at 2560 x 1600 and dead even at all other resolutions???

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-ram-4870,2...

*FYI, you constantly link stats to prove I'm correct. Don't ever join a debate team if you ever go to college.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:17:40 PM


a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:22:38 PM

Thats about 10% difference between 1GB and 512MB at Avg FPS and about 20% difference at the Min FPS.
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:26:44 PM

WR2 states more ram will increase a video cards FPS with AA & AF
CT1615 states it has to do with overall performance including GPU, RAM, etc.,

WR2 then links a bar graph where a 1GB card has the exact same FPS as a 2GB card, proving the card is not fast enough to utilize 2GB.....
Far Cry 2 @ 1680 x 1050 1GB 48.9, 2GB 48.5

can someone please administer a drug test to him? I would really like to know what he is on?


a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:28:20 PM

WR2 said:
Thats about 10% difference between 1GB and 512MB at Avg FPS and about 20% difference at the Min FPS.


this is the 3rd time I'm posting this

"a 4870 1GB is a better performance card then the 4870 512mb because the 4870 is fast enough to utilize 1GB of RAM "
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:34:01 PM




a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:36:13 PM

now you are just posting bar graphs showing exact same FPS between 512mb, 1GB and 2GB

....this is WR2's pet monkey behind the keyboard right??? its just posting random bar graphs for the hell of it right??
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:43:00 PM

It's more about screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings.
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:44:06 PM

WR2 said:
It's more about screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings.


you.......are........wrong


its about the card's overall performance
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 5:48:06 PM

It's more about screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 6:33:23 PM


Conclusion: How Much RAM Does Your Graphics Card Really Need?
"For the gamer, there are three main factors that have the most influence on how much graphics RAM you'll need: resolution, visual quality detail settings, and AA. For the most part, 512MB of RAM seems sufficient to push one of these factors to the limit, and in most cases, it can handle two of them at once. But if you plan to maximize all three--the highest resolutions, visual quality settings, and AA--then more video RAM than 512MB is a good idea."

Resolution, check. Image quality, check. AA, check.
It's more about screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings.
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 7:14:22 PM

here are the facts and you failed to prove anything to defend your stance

1) you stated the 9800GT 1GB eco would perform better then the 512mb version. You failed to link a single test to justify that. I linked tests on the ATI 4670, 9600GT (similar performance level to the 9800GT eco) and 9800GT 512mb and 1GB cards. All the facts prove you wrong as FPS was the same for each RAM version of the specific card no matter the resolution or eye candy.

2) you then stated the 4870 1GB as evidence that the 9800GT 1GB is better then the 9800GT 512mb but once again I proved you wrong since under your theory the 4870 2GB should be faster then the 1GB version. It was not, both cards had the exact same FPS in every test I linked and YOU LINKED.

You can cut and paste any article you want but you have yet to link one of the following

A) the 9800GT 1GB offering clear cut better performance then the 9800GT 512mb
B) the 4870 2GB offering clear cut better performance then the 4870 1GB

until you can do that, you are proving me correct and embarrassing yourself
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 7:20:24 PM

Conclusion: How Much RAM Does Your Graphics Card Really Need?
"In the final analysis, even 512MB of graphics RAM can provide excellent high-resolution service as long as the user is aware that lowering quality settings and AA will allow the card to perform at its peak potential. However, if you plan to use the highest visual quality settings in addition to AA, it's likely worth the extra money for a 1GB or even 2GB card."
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 7:39:24 PM

you keep posting links that prove my point and not yours

copy and paste whatever you like from the article but the tests clearly prove the FPS from the 4870 1GB are identical to the 2GB version!
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 7:44:13 PM

The only one who should be embarrassed in this topic is someone who resorted to personal attacks to try and 'prove' a weak opinion.
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 7:46:47 PM

i'm still waiting for you top post a single fact to prove your point.....
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 7:50:08 PM

I think the THG article 'How Much RAM Does Your Graphics Card Really Need' clearly states my position.

a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:07:21 PM

yes it clearly states that the 4870 1GB offers identical performance to the 4870 2Gb at any resolution with AA and AF, unfortunately for you that proves my position not yours.

so once again, link me something that proves A or B from above??? you keep posting but show no proof.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:16:37 PM

I think the THG article 'How Much RAM Does Your Graphics Card Really Need' clearly states my position.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:24:24 PM

You seem to be hung up on 'performance' being only a high or average FPS.
You've consistently failed to notice the negative impacts on performance when differences in video RAM are involved.

from the same article
"As we've said, the quantity of RAM that the graphics card employs doesn't have a direct impact on game performance, but it can have an indirect impact.

Graphics card RAM will only negatively affect performance if there isn't enough to handle what a specific game title requires. The point is that all other factors being equal, a graphics card with 2GB (2,048 MB) should perform exactly the same as a graphics card with 512MB as long as the game's graphics memory requirements are below 512MB.

If the game's settings and resolution require more than 512MB of graphics card RAM, the 512MB card will demonstrate a performance penalty compared to the 2GB card."


The 'game's settings and resolution' are exactly the screen resolution and AA/AF levels and other image quality (soft shadows for example) settings I've been talking about.
Just because they use X video card to demonstrate the effect does not mean its not an issue for other graphics cards as well.


a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:31:10 PM

omg

do you not see where the 4870 1GB and 2GB have the exact same FPS???!!!
they are identical!!
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:34:28 PM

ct1615 said:
omg
do you not see where the 4870 1GB and 2GB have the exact same FPS???!!!
they are identical!!
OMG! the 4870 512MB and 4870 1GB do not have the exact same performance!

Graphics card RAM will only negatively affect performance if there isn't enough to handle what a specific game title requires. The point is that all other factors being equal, a graphics card with 2GB (2,048 MB) should perform exactly the same as a graphics card with 512MB as long as the game's graphics memory requirements are below 512MB.
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:37:37 PM

Or maybe the 4870 is too slow to use 2GB VRAM?
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:41:29 PM

the 4870 512 was never an issue, I stated clearly, and now for the 4TH time, the *4870 1GB is faster!!

which proves my fact the performance of the card overall is the key, not the RAM on board as you keep stating. The 4870 is fast enough to use 1GB, the 9800GT is not! You routinely fail to prove otherwise and constantly skirt the issue at every opportunity!

*48701GB
a b U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:47:43 PM

ct1615 said:
the 4870 512 was never an issue, I stated clearly stated and now for the 4TH time the 4870 512mb is faster!!

which proves my fact the performance of the card overall is the key, not the RAM on board as you keep stating. The 4870 is fast enough to use 1GB, the 9800GT is not! You routinely fail to prove otherwise and constantly skirt the issue at every opportunity!

It only proves that you do not understand the effects higher resolution, higher visual quality settings and advanced image quality setting increases have on have on Video RAM requirements.
The 512MB / 1GB was the issue the OP asked about.
a c 235 U Graphics card
May 2, 2010 8:55:34 PM

WR2 said:
It only proves that you do not understand the effects higher resolution, higher visual quality settings and advanced image quality setting increases have on have on Video RAM requirements.
The 512MB / 1GB was the issue the OP asked about.


it is the issue he asked about the the 9800GT 512mb eco offers the same performance as the 9800GT 1GB eco or even standard card. Keep posting about the 4870. It only proves my point that certain cards can take advantage of extra RAM and others cant. Your ignorance toward that FACT, is your issue.


In every post your have made you have never proven the 9800GT 1GB is faster yet I have show several times!

for last time prove one of the following
A) the 9800GT 1GB offering clear cut better performance then the 9800GT 512mb
B) the 4870 2GB offering clear cut better performance then the 4870 1GB

otherwise you are just wasting peoples time and trolling
!