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June 7, 2010 5:12:43 PM

Below is a list of selected specifications for my first ever built computer! If you could guys just go through the list and point out anything that seems inconsistent or incompatible or just simply a bad idea that would be awesome before I go blow some money on it. The point of this rig is for gaming such as Crysis, Mass Effect 2, World of Warcraft, Dawn of War II and some others.

OS: Windows 7 64bit Ultimate

Motherboard: Gigabyte 890GX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card: Radeon 5770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: Antec Mid-tower http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply: Corsair HX series 650watts http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: Corsair XMS Series 4GB pack http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: WD Caviar http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard: Razer Arctosa http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse: Razer Deathadder http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor ASUS 22" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD Drive: ASUS burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6 gb/s SATA cable: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and that's it!

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June 7, 2010 5:18:02 PM

This hard drive is cheaper and faster: 1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You're wondering how that can be when the Western Digital is a SATA 6 drive. The fact is, no mechanical hard drive transfers data fast enough to even begin to saturate the bandwidth of SATA 3, so the Spinpoint is still the faster drive. IIRC, the 1 TB WD uses 3 333 GB platters whereas the spinpoint F3 uses 2 500 GB platters. Greater data density.

If you give a definite budget, you can get more suggestions and build advice from the members of the forum

Also, think really hard about how much you want to spend on the OS. Do you need Windows 7 Ultimate? Why not get Windows 7 Home Premium OEM for system builders, which is $99.99?
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June 7, 2010 5:27:04 PM

Do you really need the Ultimate version of Windows 7? Home Premium is just fine for the majority of users.

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $99.99

That RAM is overpriced and slow CAS 9 DDR3 1333. You can get CAS 7 DDR3 1600 RAM for considerably cheaper.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM $114.99

What's your budget for this build? You won't be happy with the performance of the 5770 at your resolution. You should get at least a 5850 for the games you want to play at your resolution.
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June 7, 2010 5:27:38 PM

I probably should not but into another persons thread, but here goes.

I see the 500 Samsung Spinpoint recommended a lot here on Tom's Hardware because of the speed/price. Is the 1 TB as fast as the 500? I like the idea of doubling the size of storage for not much more price.

Thanks,
Ray

mortonww said:
This hard drive is cheaper and faster: 1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You're wondering how that can be when the Western Digital is a SATA 6 drive. The fact is, no mechanical hard drive transfers data fast enough to even begin to saturate the bandwidth of SATA 3, so the Spinpoint is still the faster drive. IIRC, the 1 TB WD uses 3 333 GB platters whereas the spinpoint F3 uses 2 500 GB platters. Greater data density.

If you give a definite budget, you can get more suggestions and build advice from the members of the forum

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June 7, 2010 5:29:13 PM

Yes, the 1TB Samsung drive is just as fast as the 500GB model. They use the exact same platters, the 1TB drive just has two.
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June 7, 2010 6:13:34 PM

I would like to stay under $1,300. I'm getting Windows 7 64bit Ultimate because I can get it for free from my school's computer science department. The reason I got the RAM was because the difference between 1333 and 1600 with a Phenom II X4 is almost negligible. Only hardcore overclockers would see a difference, and me not being one, I thought the 1333 would suffice.

Good RAM suggestion, good HDD suggestion, though!

what monitor size/resolution would be fitting for the 5770? I'd like to sit at that because the 5850 is fairly pricey.
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June 7, 2010 6:46:17 PM

Here's an i5 build that meets your budget and gives you a 5870, 1600 MHz RAM (maybe there's not much benefit, but if it's the same price, why not?).

Case: Cooler Master HAF 922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$90
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500 GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$55
GPU: XFX HD Radeon 5870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$430
PSU: Corsair 750TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$110 (-20 rebate, - 8 promo code)
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz, 7-8-7 timings
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$115
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 w/ SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$140
CPU: Intel Core i5 750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$200
Monitor: ASUS 1080p 23"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS DVD Burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$22


With rebates and promo codes, it's almost exactly $1300 before shipping.

This is just a suggestion. I just wanted you to see how much you could get for $1300.

A 5870 will give you excellent gaming performance in most titles at 1080p, the core i5 is a faster CPU than the Phenom II x4, even when clocked lower. It'll give you better performance in all of your productivity software suites and will do as well or a bit better than a phenom in games.
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June 7, 2010 7:13:32 PM

AMD286 said:
I probably should not but into another persons thread, but here goes.

I see the 500 Samsung Spinpoint recommended a lot here on Tom's Hardware because of the speed/price. Is the 1 TB as fast as the 500? I like the idea of doubling the size of storage for not much more price.


The 500 Gb model has one 500 GB platters......the 1 TB has two 500 GB platters. Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly.

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June 7, 2010 7:13:54 PM

That's $1300 without the keyboard and mouse I presume? I feel a little antsy when switching processors and boards because I've read a lot of reviews on Phenom's and how well they operate as compared to i7. Also the motherboard is a whole new world to me as I only know a very small bit about them. Not to say that I don't trust you, I'm just very hesitant with my money and where I place it. Maybe some other verification is in order from other people?

Do you know of a monitor that would be suited for the 5770?
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June 7, 2010 7:18:23 PM

I guess this is just my personal philosophy, but if you can spend $1300 and for $1300 you can get a better CPU, better monitor, better graphics card, better RAM, and better HDD than your previous build, why not?

The 5770 is probably more suited for 1680x1050 and below for decent frames with mid-to-high settings. If you can fit in the 5870, you'll leave the option to crossfire 5870s in the future, which will be much more powerful than an upgrade to crossfired 5770s.
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June 7, 2010 7:22:01 PM

I didn't mean to offend! The one thing I was just hesitant on was the processor, I do not know much about the i5 and I just checked on some benchmark results and it really isn't bad at all as compared to the x4 955. Thankyou for helping me out!
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June 7, 2010 7:31:04 PM

Oh no, I wasn't offended. Sorry I came off that way. But yes, the core i5 is a faster CPU. Here's a useful benchmarking site:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/109?vs=88

At 1080p, the difference in games is smaller. But overall, it's a better CPU.
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June 7, 2010 7:33:51 PM

Best answer selected by Scooter92.
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June 8, 2010 12:41:52 AM

Thanks JackNaylorPE and shortstuff_mt for your information on hard drives. I need to get a new computer and am doing some reading. Still undecided on buying or building. It has been several years since I put together a computer and of course most things have changed.

Thanks again,
Ray
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June 8, 2010 2:30:44 AM

@Mortonww

Although the spinpoint is a esteemed HDD is has a lower gb/s AND lower cache space. I feel like it's going to bottleneck my computer's performance a little bit.

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June 8, 2010 2:45:50 AM

Scooter92 said:
@Mortonww

Although the spinpoint is a esteemed HDD is has a lower gb/s AND lower cache space. I feel like it's going to bottleneck my computer's performance a little bit.


The 6 GB/s refers to the interface. It is not capable of actually transferring data at that speed, though. The spinpoint's smaller cache doesn't make the drive slower.
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June 8, 2010 2:52:30 AM

Ok thanks! Another question for you, though. I was reading up on the P55 on this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/257075-31-guide-choos...

Also when reading this thread:http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/269620-31-list

The p55AUD3 is not capable of CF, this could be a very large problem.

They suggest going for the x58 when crossfiring 5870s and if that's in the future should I be considering that board?

How about one of these two boards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 8, 2010 3:20:54 AM

You could consider x58 to get full x16/x16 bandwidth when crossfiring, but two 5870s won't be bottlenecked by x8/x8 interface.

Here's a Crossfire capable LGA 1156 board from ASUS:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here's an article on the bandwidth effect of LGA 1156 on crossfired cards:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/p55-pci-express-scaling,r...

EDIT: Yeah, the first board you linked (the ASUS, just in case i'm mistaken) is a good board.
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