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June 8, 2010 10:59:15 PM

Hey everybody,

So after 7 years of loyal service, my old Dell Dimension 4600 has finally kicked it and it's time to build a new system. I'm completely new at this, but I have been doing a bit of research the past week or so. I'm looking to build a decent system with the most bang for the buck, though I don't mind spending a little more on the essential parts (eg. the PSU and the motherboard). Also, I'd like to leave a bit of for some future expansion. I've got some parts picked out, but I'm looking for comments, suggestions and any constructive criticism to make the build better.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: b/w now and July 4th (unsure if I should buy now or wait for a really good deal then)
BUDGET RANGE: b/w $800 and $1100 after rebates
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Multi-tasking, gaming, videos and movies, music, internet
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: N/A
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg, Amazon, eBay, Google Products if the price is right and the seller is reputable
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: United States
PARTS PREFERENCES: ATX boards and Mid to Full Towers, wired mouse (preferably laser) & keyboard
OVERCLOCKING: Maybe (I don't know much about this yet, but I'd like to keep the option open)
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Same as overclocking
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050 or better
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Just one question: Is an additional heatsink and fan necessary or should I stick to the default that comes w/ the CPU?

Case: COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-790XTA-UD4 AM3 AMD 790X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor

GPU: GIGABYTE GV-R485OC-1GH Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBRM

Hard Drive: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Optical: ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

Monitor: ASUS VH222H Black 21.5" 5ms HDMI Widescreen 16:9 Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor Built in Speakers 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR20000:1) w/ SPDIF out

PSU: SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

Misc: Rosewill RCR-IC002 74-in-1 USB 2.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/ USB port / Extra silver face plate

Keyboard & Mouse: Logitech 967740-0403 Black 104 Normal Keys 8 Function Keys USB Standard Internet 350 USB Keyboard - OEM

Logitech M500 Tilt Wheel USB Corded Laser 1000 dpi Mouse

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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June 8, 2010 11:35:43 PM

This looks like a great system. I would think about the CPU though. You list multitasking as #1 in your usage preference.
There isn't anything wrong with the triple core, but I would look at a phenom II X4 with a 6MB cache for better mulitasking. Especially if editing audio/photo/video, compression and so forth you will like the responsiveness of the extra core and cache.

The only reason for a third party heatsink is if your case has poor cooling- or of course overclocking. If you want to have overclocking as an option, you would prolly be satisfied with the Coolermaster hyper 212 +, but don't look on newegg. They are out of stock and it is overpriced anyway.
June 9, 2010 4:29:33 AM

Hm, I probably won't do too much video or sound editing, just everything after gaming (internet, music, and MS Word). My concern is that getting a Phenom II may come at the cost of gaming, and the system above is already bordering my price range... Also, I've heard that the X3 440 might be able to have a 4th core unlocked or something to that effect. This might be a compromise I could look into.
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June 9, 2010 4:38:26 AM

^ The component choices are very good, what games do you play ??
Do you know that new ATI cards out ??

June 9, 2010 5:13:54 AM

Mainly shooters, strategy and some RPGs (Mass Effect, Dragon Age).

I picked the ATI 4850 b/c of the value it offered, $85 w/ the MIR. I'll upgrade a few years from now and might add Crossfire into the mix.

June 9, 2010 5:25:14 AM

^ Well you have the budget to go for a faster card...then why not??
Check out these changes...

1. CASE + PSU + Graphics card
Antec 900 + Antec EA 650 + ASUS HD 5770 - IMO a better suit for 1080p resolution...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

And get the HDD + OS combo from ewiz...and why WIN 7 PRO ?? any specific reason ??
http://www.ewiz.com/combo.php?cat_id=270

And as for aftermarket CPU cooler, if you want to try overclocking, then certainly get one...
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-B10-212P-G1-Univ...
June 9, 2010 11:32:40 AM

1. The tower is going to be inside a small niche underneath the desk, so the USB connections won't be readily accessible and I don't think the top fan will have enough open space.

2. Have Windows 7 Pro on my laptop, and it rocks. But other than that, no particular reason.
June 9, 2010 12:30:55 PM

^^ But still you would need a case with better airflow...
Check out this CASE + PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

And as for the OS, WIN 7 PRO would be required if you will be using apps like Visual Studio and such...for just regular tasks and apps, I dont think it is required...WIN Home Premium would do...

And get atleast the HD 5770...

Also you wont need a 750W PSU...and I dont see the idea of getting a premium PSU with no so premium components...
You still get quality PSUs for less than $100 and with the money saved there, invest in better powerful components ...
June 9, 2010 3:04:28 PM

If the top fan won't be a problem, then I might have found a good deal for a case and GPU . To be specific, the computer will be going into a niche the size of 22 1/4" x 11 1/4" x 23.5" (LxWxH). The room has alright ventilation; three windows, one of which holds the AC. Here's another case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case . That one is pretty sweet, plenty of space inside and ventilation, but also very pricey. Or I could stick to the original and remove the 80mm front fan for a 120mm.

I'd also like to keep my options open for expanding later on in the future with a 750W PSU, so possibly the SilverStone ST75F-P ? Good review from johnnyguru.com, but then again, the Seasonic can be had for $30 extra...

And how long will it be before I have to upgrade if I were to pick the 4850 or 5770 while gaming with high settings at 1440x900? Also, are there any differences between the Radeon 5770's? There's about 5 on newegg that all too similar:
Sapphire 100283-3L 5770 + AMD Athlon II X3 440 - The net discount is only $8, but better than nothing I guess.
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 - This is actually listed as a different one from the deal above, except w/o the S+H cost.
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770

Everything except for GPU, Case, and PSU seems to be in order. I might wait for July 4th weekend for better deals though. Does anyone's experience tell them what components are most likely and least likely to go on sale? That way, I can start ordering in the ones that won't likely change. All help is appreciated, thanks for the replies.
June 10, 2010 4:20:15 AM

^ That Storm Scout will have issues if you use long cards like HD 5870/ HD 5970 because of the HDD cage...
Another good option
NZXT M59 - Cheap, good quality and has options to add more fans and also the USB ports are in the front and not on top...They used this case at TOM's build and found it to be a good one for the price...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for the difference between the HD 5770s, the open cooler ones run cooler than the closed ones...
June 11, 2010 5:04:55 AM

Build 2.0- Right within budget too

Case: NZXT M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBRM
Monitor: ASUS VH222H Black 21.5" 5ms HDMI Widescreen 16:9 Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor Built in Speakers 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR20000:1) w/ SPDIF out
Optical: ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Front Fan: Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan
Card Reader: Kingston FCR-HS219/1 19-in-1 USB 2.0 Card Reader
OS+HDD Combo: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM + SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
HS+F: Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212 Plus 775/1156/1366/AMD/AM2/AM3 Universal Direct Contact Heat-Pipe 120mm Fan CPU Cooler
Speakers: Logitech S220 2.1 Speaker System with Subwoofer
Keyboard: Logitech Internet 350 Vista Qualified USB Keyboard (Black)
Mouse: Logitech M500
PSU: SeaSonic X-750 OR SILVERSTONE ST75F-P 750W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
GPU: ASUS CuCore Series EAH5770 CuCore/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Total: $1095.65 after MIR
June 11, 2010 9:12:17 AM

^ You wont need 750W PSU even for 2x HD 5770s...
Get this PSU -
Corsair 650HX - A high quality one with 7 Years Corsair warranty...Check out this PSU with RAM combo...You get a faster RAM for lesser price...
Corsair 650HX + Corsair DDR3 1600MHz CAS 8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
This PSU can power even 2x HD 5850s...

DVD - Another cheaper as good option
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case fan - How about this one??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And as for the CPU cooler, I dont know why the price has jumped for tat Hyper 212+
Another good alternative that comes with a very good thermal grease...
Sunbeam CCTF 120MM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 11, 2010 4:33:20 PM

OK, I've decided to go with the Phenom II X4 955 BE + Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 combo . Even if it does put me over-budget, I think it's a worthwhile investment and I won't have to upgrade as soon. As for 750W PSU, I like the overhead for any future expansion and the SeaSonic/SilverStone (not sure which yet) has just grown on me. Other than that, I think this system build looks really solid.

Are there any other last opinions before I begin to order?
June 11, 2010 5:49:05 PM

Anyone else want to comment?