Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

Simple Fan Question

Last response: in Systems
Share
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 12:10:18 PM

How many fans will the high end computer I'm trying to build need?
The CPU will have a Corsair Hydro Series H50 cooler, and the case already has 2x200mm and 1x140mm fans.
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7
CPU: Intel Core i7 930
Will I need more fans? I'm planning on overclocking it a bit.
thanks.

More about : simple fan question

Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 12:25:44 PM

it's called "CoolerMaster HAF 922 Case" I can find a link If you want
June 10, 2010 12:26:20 PM

No you sure won't. Just realize thatthe H50 is set up for a 120mm case fan slot. What specific case are you planning to use?
Related resources
June 10, 2010 12:43:42 PM

Cooling will be fine. Hell, my i5 750 with 5850 has a tiny side fan on the case and thats it (it has a 120mm front fan but it is noisy and I have it disconnected until I get it replaced). Between that, the Freezer Pro cooler and the GPU fan the systems heat is fine (surprisingly so).

With a HAF 922 you are golden for cooling
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 12:44:59 PM

I see, thanks :) 
June 10, 2010 12:48:31 PM

Good case, no you wont need any additional fans for the 922!

As for the 140mm rear exhaust fan. It has screw holes for 120mm, so that will work perfectly fine for your H50! Enjoy your build, if you have any other questions we're here for you.
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 1:19:43 PM

Hmm, instead of starting a new thread I'll continue here, I hope that's ok.
I haven't built a PC before so there might be something I don't know about when it comes to combining components ( I'm slowly catching up with the guides here ).
So, I'll post the parts I've chosen and hopefully you guys can tell me if there's an obvious mistake or if there's a part that can be easily improved for a high end gaming computer.
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7
CPU: Intel Core i7 930
RAM: OCZ Platinum L.Voltage 8GB DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800, 7-7-7-24) ( the timings seem to be ok but it's 4 sticks instead of 2, I'm not sure how bad that is)
GPU: MSI GTX 470 (PCI-Express, GDDR5, 1280 MB) (I have no idea if it's good or not, the GDDR5 and 1280MB parts seem to be good in comparison with other cards)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DS Sound Card ( I pretty much chose it randomly )
PSU: no idea how to calculate how many joules per second my build will need
HDD: my laptop's 2.5" 7200 RPM.

I'm not forgetting something am I?
So,
1) is there something wrong with this build?
2) what about the RAM and the PSU?
3) will it be able to max out new games? and if yes, for how long?
and if not what does it need in order to be able to? :p 

thanks again for all your help and I hope you have the courage to help me out in this post :) 
June 10, 2010 1:32:02 PM

You will be better off starting a new thread for this, else it will get looked over.
But, just a few quick points

You want triple channel RAM not Dual as you are using an i7 and an X58 mobo.
Something like this G Skill set - $174.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You likely don't need more than 6gb certainly not if gaming. It is common for RAM to come in modules of 2gb each.

The GTX470 is a fine card, though personally, for the price I would prefer an ATI XFX 5870 which is a more powerful card for very little more.

PSU Corsair 750W - $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

750W will do fine even if you want to XFire 2 x 5870s. If going with the GTX470 though you may want the Corsair 850w if you plan on using two of them in the future. Though 750w may be enough, I just know the GTX cards are power heavy.

You don't need a sound card because on board sound is perfectly good for gaming.

I would actually get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 500gb HDD for $54.99 rather than use your laptop HDD
June 10, 2010 2:28:55 PM

Yes that is the one.
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 2:30:21 PM

Do you mean this one? I'm not sure if it's the one, there are more than one with a similar name.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I chose the initial parts based on my limited knowledge so I'll make whatever changes you guys suggest.

So yes I'll switch to it and the ram too, and the PSU and that HDD is cheap! prices on newegg are much better than those in my country, it seems I'll have to make a paypal account soon.
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 2:47:52 PM

So, is this build good enough for maxed out game settings and if yes how long do you estimate that that will last?
June 10, 2010 2:57:52 PM

Pretty hard to say, but a build like that should last at least 3 years of games being playable Medium+ settings. You of course have the option to add another GPU in the future if you feel the need to, and of course you can OC to extend the life.

My E6700 and 8800GTX computer lasted me 5 years and I was still playing on no worse than medium settings on anything (still high settings on many) that was with no OCing and no second card added.

So depending on what is acceptable to you and exactly what games you play in the future your machine should have a good long life ahead of it
June 10, 2010 6:39:27 PM

You could knock the motherboard down to the GA-X58A-UD3R, it has plenty of the features of the UD7, and is much cheaper.
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 9:37:41 PM

Both the one I chose and the one you suggest have very bad reviews on newegg, they seem to frequently have failing parts upon arrival or not work at all, so I chose this one instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The "stats" are pretty much the same, the users are very contented with the product and it's quite cheap.
From what I can tell it's as compatible (with the rest of the parts) as the last one.
isn't it?
June 10, 2010 9:50:02 PM

Yes it will be compatible. Make sure to take a grain of salt with newegg reviews.
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 10:00:25 PM

Still, theoretically all reviews will have the same amount of "salt" since they come from an equally random audience, so when comparing them the results should be accurate...
I mean the difference between both Gigabyte products (~50% 5/5) and the ASUS (~80% 5/5) is significant :) 
a c 201 à CPUs
June 10, 2010 10:06:54 PM

Quote:
How many fans will the high end computer I'm trying to build need?
The CPU will have a Corsair Hydro Series H50 cooler, and the case already has 2x200mm and 1x140mm fans.
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7
CPU: Intel Core i7 930
Will I need more fans? I'm planning on overclocking it a bit.
thanks.


The H50 air cooler will reduce the cooling capacity of your case and frankly it is not a very good CPU cooler to begin with.....Here it loses to the Megahalems by a whopping 4.5C

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

At half the price, the Scythe 2100 (aka Mugen 2) beats it by 3C
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

The HAF 922 is an excellent case and has excellent cooling.

You'll want a set of 3 memory sticks not 2 or 4 as this is a i7-930 X58 build. I normally recommend these DDR3-1600 CAS 7's
$189 3 x 2GB Corsair DDR3-1600 CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But at a price of only $189, it's silly not to get these CAS 6's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - for one 470 I'd get an Antec Ea-650 for Corsair TX650 .... if twin cards is in your future, I'd choose from these:

For comparison purposes , the list below contains performance ratings (10 scale) at jonnyguru.com / prices as per newegg on 02/21/2010 and ones w/ double asterisks (**) made it onto silentpcreview.com's Editor's Choice List meaning they excelled at both electronic and acoustic performance:


Antec SG-850 - 10.0 ($220) **
Antec CP-850 - 10.0 ($110) ** requires compatible Antec acse
XFX 850W Black Edition 10.0 ($185)
Corsair HX850 850W - 10.0 ($180)

Antec TruePower Quattro (TPQ-850) - 9.5 ($150)
Corsair TX850 - 9.5 ($140)
Seasonic M12D 850W - 9.5 (NLA) **
NorthQ Giant Connector 850W - 9.5 (NFS)
Etasis ET850 - 9.5 (NLA)
Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF - 9.5 (NLA)

Enermax Revolution 85+ 850W - 9.0 ($250)

Thrmaltake Toughpower XT 850W - 8.5 ($216)
OCZ Z Series 850W - 8.5 ($200)

NorthQ Black Magic Flex 850W - 8.0 (NFS)
Coolmax CTG-850 - 8.0 (NFS)

SilverStone Decathlon DA850 - 7.5 ($230)
Enermax Galaxy DXX 850W EGX850EWL - 7.5 (NFS)

SilverStone Strider ST85F - 7.0

Silverstone Element ST85EF 850W - 6.0

NFS - Not For Sale / NLA = No Longer Available


Her's my current recommended ~ $1500 build
a c 201 à CPUs
June 10, 2010 10:09:11 PM

Goal here was to provide for a system capable of a 4.0 - 4.2 GHz Overclock w/ little effort and provide enough oomph for adding a 2nd card in SLI.

$150 Antec 1200 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$120 Antec CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Dang .... if not in a hurry, newegg usually has a combo on the two above for $220 - $240

Alternate ($60 more) would be:

$ 140 HAF 932 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$ 190 HX850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$514 ASUS P6X58D-E w/ Intel i7-930 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$190 3 x 2GBMushkin DDR3-1600 CAS 6 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$80 Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$101 Prolimatech Megahalems w/ twin PWM fans and IC Diamond TIM w/ PWM Cable splitter.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8807/cpu-pro-01/Proli...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7038/thr-41/Innovatio...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10026/fan-639/Scythe_...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8418/cab-150/FrozenCP...

$350 ASUS ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5 w/ 2 free games http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$25 Any DVD Writer

Total $1,530
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 10, 2010 10:25:27 PM

thanks for the detailed reply, I made the necessary adjustments to my "list"
but about changing the H50, I saw this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQxw9Sx1-Uk
now, I know it's made by people who would profit from lying about the cooler's potential but it makes sense that water would absorb heat better than any air based system, and it's the closest thing to water cooling there is for that price.
Please watch it and tell me what you think.

EDIT: I hadn't seen the second message when I wrote this ^ reading now.
June 11, 2010 2:27:35 AM

Being someone that owns and loves his H50, that video is completely subjective. Air coolers have a wide WIDE range of performance. Since they never say specs on the air cooler, such as fan speed, whether it's direct pipe heat transfer etc, you simply can't take the video at face value. Also it appears the air cooler only has 1 fan? Most high end air coolers allow for 2 fans in a push pull. Yes the H50 also only had 1 fan, but the video is a company made advertisement that prey's on an information vaccuum and is severely slanted in their favor.

That video is like comparing apples to gorillas. It's useless.
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 11, 2010 8:40:16 AM

ok then, I'm switching the cpu cooler too :) 

about the cases, those 2 suggested by JackNaylorPE have many air fans, won't they be too nosy as well?
I plan on overclocking the system only a little to see how it's done, I don't want to put it at risk with 4Ghz overclocks so, in that case do I need a super case like that?
June 11, 2010 9:15:50 AM

I have an Antec 1200 and because it has so many fans, you can turn them all down(each fan has a knob to control RPM, and thereby dB)

So in essence the more fans, sometimes means the quieter case :) 
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 11, 2010 10:11:06 AM

cool!
Another question,
what would be better (for gaming that is)

a single 10k RPM velociraptor or
2x7200 RPM cheap HDDs in RAID 0 ?
June 11, 2010 10:19:37 AM

For gaming? A Samsung Spinpoint F3 500 GB by itself would be fine.

As far as gaming is concerned you aren't going to see a performance increase from a fast hard drive. You might see faster load times of the game initially, but once the game is up and running, it will be such a minor increase, it's not worth the cost at all
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 11, 2010 10:38:38 AM

nice, next question xD

I'm thinking I should buy a new monitor too, 27" preferably, what features should I look for?
June 11, 2010 10:43:21 AM

I wouldn't. 27 inch for a 1920 x 1080 or 1920 x 1200 looks odd. At that reso 22-25 inch is perfect. I would stick with that. Once you have an HD resolution monitor, to me the next step is the big money and getting the next resolution up (2560 x 1600), otherwise you may as well stick with what you have.
Course, that is my opinion on it anyway.
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 11, 2010 10:50:44 AM

good point, so what would I need to look for in a 22-25 inch monitor?
I don't even know how those monitors connect to the pc, I have one of those old non flat screens :p 
for example, do they connect with HDMI ? because the graphics card says "Mini HDMI" .
June 11, 2010 10:57:48 AM

A lot of decent monitors usually have DVI input. Lower quality ones have only D-Sub.
A typical monitor will have D-Sub and DVI inputs. Some even have HDMI inputs as well.
You want your monitor to at least have DVI.

You want a good response time (2-5ms) you want to make sure its resolution is1920 x 1080 (or 1920 x 1200). DVI, resolution and response time to me are the key items for a monitor. Others may have opinions on 'viewing angle' and even contrast ratios, but usually a half decent monitor will be fine in those respects
Anonymous
a b à CPUs
June 11, 2010 11:33:55 AM

I see, a general question,

a lot of people seem to have faced the following problem,
they buy a PSU, they connect everything, they turn it on and the problematic PSU breaks down and takes all the other pc components with it...

it seems that no matter how high the product quality, there is always a DOA percentage, so, is there a way to test a PSU before plugging it in your pricey hardware and risking to destroy it?
June 11, 2010 11:42:53 AM

A DOA PSU usually is not an issue - that simply does nothing on power up so does no damage.

You can test a PSU is working by plugging it in, attaching it to a case fan and then using something like a paper clip to turn it on (plenty of videos on youtube showing how) this lets you know the PSU is alive.

If it is alive and a good quality product (something made by Seasonic is pretty much guaranteed quality) then you can be pretty safe in the knowledge that its all ok.

I have heard of quality PSUs being DOA, but have to admit I have not heard of anyone who has damaged his system when using a good quality PSU - a decent PSU tends to have correct power and safety precautions in place to prevent damage - that is why people pay high price on them rather than buy cheap ones
June 11, 2010 12:09:22 PM

DOAs arent going to hurt anything. It's the low quality PSUs that 2 years into their life either overvolt all systems, or actually explode and cause an electrical fire.

So the moral of the story is, buy a good brand. If you buy crap, get nervous in about 2 years(like me, check out my XION PSU, yuck)
June 11, 2010 12:22:49 PM

I actually went with a unknown PSU myself as the company that manufactured it is one I trust. Onl time will tell it if ruins everything in two years time - but then I see this as a cunning plan as if my system blows then the wife has no choice but to allow me to spend money on a new system! :D 
June 11, 2010 12:42:14 PM

Looks like the list is from Johnny guru, in which case yes it is trusted
June 11, 2010 3:19:31 PM

Yeah ANtec makes good PSUs
!