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June 14, 2010 11:55:25 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: As soon as I get my bonus from the army, should be around 2 weeks. Budget: $2400, (2500 MAX, if need be)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Browsing the Web

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, speakers, sound card.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel i7, good 24" monitor and a Full tower Case

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes (Will most likely go with a single card (480 or 5870) and Xfire/Sli in the near future)

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Case needs to have good airflow and option to add more fans (Scythe Ultra Kraze), prefere Asus Mobo's but wont object an evga if its nice... and prefere Nvidia but again, wont object a ATi card if its around the same price as a 480 and when Xfire, would be better than Sli 480's.

Thanks!

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June 15, 2010 12:55:00 AM
June 15, 2010 1:07:50 AM

i would take techmos build with a few changes.

os/apps i don't think that a ssd is worth it for the cost right now. wait till they go down.

gpu: 5870 or even 5970 if you can aford it.

psu: if you go for a ati gpu then you don't need as much power

case: haf 932 trust me its a amazing case.

@techmo

didn't the op want a 24 inch monitor? i am not sure he will notice much of a difference but just puting it out there.
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June 15, 2010 1:16:30 AM

samdsox said:
os/apps i don't think that a ssd is worth it for the cost right now. wait till they go down.


I disagree, an SSD will make a large noticeable difference in the general day to day use of the PC, apps open in fractions of the time, and the system feels snappy. At this budget i would say an SSD is a must.
June 15, 2010 1:17:57 AM

@samdsox... I noticed the OP wanted a 24" monitor but the deal on the 23" monitor was hard to pass up. Also, the smaller the monitor, at the same resolution, the better the picture looks... IMO

I agree with the 5870 recomendation but the OP seems to want a GTX 480, so I went with it.
June 15, 2010 1:50:37 AM

Would the 23" be a better deal? The 24" is $40 more.

Also, would CF 5870's be better than 2 480's? if So, I'll go that route.

Other than that, the only thing I do not like on your list is the case, not sure why, just find it odd lol. Other than that, it's nice! THANKS!

I was wanting to go with a SSD but Im unsure how to set it up along with another sata HDD, and have them both functioning so that my programs/games are on the SSD and everything else on the HDD
June 15, 2010 1:54:25 AM

Isn't bit overkill to have a 2400$ rig with a 24'' monitor (for gaming and web browsing)?
June 15, 2010 2:01:02 AM

For the money, CF 5870's are the better deal but the GTX 480's in SLI are the more powerful setup.

I picked the case because it is one of my favorite cases and would like to use it for a future build, however, it isn't for everyone. I would look at the HAF 932 or Antec 1200 as my second choices for a full tower.

Just Google / YouTube SSD Tweaks and you'll find everything you need on setting up the SSD and HDD. If you have more questions, just post a new thread when the time comes in the Storage section and our Vets there will help out!
June 15, 2010 3:02:57 AM

Goal here was to provide for a system capable of a 4.0 - 4.2 GHz Overclock w/ little effort and provide enough oomph for adding a 2nd card in SLI.

$240 Antec 1200 (8 fans) w/ Antec CP-850 (outstanding electrical performance / super quiet)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Comparable alternate performance wise ($90 more) would be:

$ 140 HAF 932 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$ 190 HX850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$514 ASUS P6X58D-E w/ Intel i7-930
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$185 3 x 2GB Mushkin Redline DDR3-1600 CAS 6 ...w/ CAS 7 at $180, CAS 6 hard to pass up when CAS 7 is only $5 less. Plus Mushlkin's are low profile which means far less chance of interference w/ heat sink
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$80 Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly.

$344 120 GB Vertex 2 SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$101 Prolimatech Megahalems w/ twin PWM fans and IC Diamond TIM w/ PWM Cable splitter.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8807/cpu-pro-01/Proli...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7038/thr-41/Innovatio...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10026/fan-639/Scythe_...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8418/cab-150/FrozenCP...

$350 ASUS ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Hard to pick the choice here. If ya spend more money (+350), you could get a 5970 but twin 470's in SLI has better min. frame rates than the 5970 in DX11 games (1920 x 1200, hi settings) by about 23% (17% for avg. frame rates) .... could add the 2nd card come XMas time if buget restricts purchase now.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-2-3-way-s...
http://www.softsailor.com/news/22371-nvidia-geforce-gtx...

Another option would be to get a 5850 and add a 2nd at Xmas....will save you $50 per card ($14%) but will also drop min. frame rates by about 19%. Each card is well priced for it's performance in the market so hard to find fault with any of those choices.

$25 Any DVD Writer

$135 OS - Win7 64 Pro

$280 Asus 1920 x 1200 .... cause it ain't 1920 x 1080
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $2184

Possible Upgrades:

+ $145 Asus Ramapge III Extreme - The board you buy when $$ don't matter ... overclockers dream
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

+350 that 2nd 470 ... why wait till XMas ? .... only puts you $34 over budget

+ 220 Dell Ultrasharp U2410 .... IPS rather than TN panel.....provides accurate color but you don't seem to need it for your listed apps. More for photography buffs who also game and can't get buy with TN panels.
June 15, 2010 3:12:54 AM

Beitzel15 said:
Also, would CF 5870's be better than 2 480's? if So, I'll go that route.


No, at least not at 1920 x 1200 and hi settings.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

Except for BFBC2, the twin 5870's run pretty much neck and neck with twin 470's .... the 5870's xFired have an edge over the 470's but only by a frame or 2..

The 5850/5870 and 470/480 are all good cards well priced for their relative performance differences. Hard to argue against either choice. Personally I think the 5850 and 470 are the better value and since they are much more overclockable than their big bruddahs, the better selection for the enthusiast.
June 15, 2010 5:08:10 AM

I just put together this list... Let me know what you think. Total was $2491

Case: ThermalTake Spedo
CPU: i7 930
LG Dvd Drive
HD: Samsung Spinpoint F3
SSD: OCZ Vertex 120gb
GPU/Memory Combo: Evga GTX 480 SuperClocked + OCZ Gold 6gb 1600
CPU COOLER: Corsair H50
PSU: Corsair 1000 (for when I sli 480's)
Monitor: Samsung 24"
MOBO: Asus P6X58D Premium
Win. 7
June 15, 2010 7:22:47 AM

$2500 and no mention of Eyefinity... tsk, tsk.

i5-750/ASUS P7P55D-E Pro - $350
Corsair XMS 2x2GB 888-20 - $119
2x XFX 5850 Crossfire - $560
2x OCZ Solid V2 60GB RAID0 - $320
2x Seagate 7200.12 1TB RAID1 - $160
CM 690 II Advanced - $90
CM 212+ - 29.99
Silverstone ST85F-P 850w Silver - 149.99
Dell U2311H x 3 717.60 after 20pct Small Business Coupon

Total: 2496.58

I'd take this rig all day long over a bloated 1366/NVidia single monitor solution. It's lean, it's mean, it's 5760x1080 or if you're really smart it's 3240x1920 in portrait.

You're getting RAID0 SSD's that will break 500MB/s reads. You're getting 1TB of RAID1 constant backed up storage. You're getting breathtaking IPS triple monitor Eyefinity loving. You're getting crossfire out of the box.

GL.
June 15, 2010 3:51:51 PM

My only problem with p55 is that I keep hearing it's going to soon be replaced, as 1366 wont be and will be around longer.

Also, I've always wanted to get a SSD and or run my HD's in raid setup but Im really unsure on how to set up the computer up with 2 different harddrives (ssd for apps & hdd for back up/music, pics etc)

Im unclear about how to install windows/games on the SSD and then have all my other stuff on the 1TB HDD and have it on my desktop to use whenever if all my stuff is running off the ssd?

I also have a 320gb external USB HD sitting here that Ive never used... Could I go with 2 SSD and no HDD and just use the USB one?
June 15, 2010 4:19:53 PM

I do not recommend going for an SSD if your computer is only for gaming. The price per GB is simply too costly for the limited bonuses it provides with a gaming only computer.

Benefits of SSD:
-Windows start time will go down a noticable amount, maybe 10-30 seconds.
-Application load times will decrease (maybe a few seconds here and there for general gaming computer)
-Game load screens will load faster (5-15 seconds depending on the game)

Drawbacks:
-Cost per GB
-SSDs DO NOT INCREASE FPS IN GAMES
-Load times for games/internet browsers will only decrease a few seconds

Overall, the SSDs add a "convenience" factor of saving you a whopping minute(s) during a typical gaming session. I would recommend investing in other hardware and purchasing an SSD as soon as their price comes down.
June 15, 2010 5:10:51 PM

Just did a P55 Build.... Also, again, chime in and let me know what you think compared to my 1366 build and which I'd be better going with.

Case: Thermaltake Spedo
Cpu: i5 750
Mobo: EVGA P55 Classified 200
GPU: EVGA GTX 480
Cpu Cooler: Corsair H50 (w. 2 scythe ultra kraze/ push.pull)
Ram: 4gb G.Skill Ripjaw
SSD: 2x Intel X25-M 80gb
PSU: Corsair HX1000 (for future SLI, estimated wattage w. 2 480's = around 800watts)
Monitor: Samsung 24"

Total: 2500 even. If I remove the SSD and go with 1TB Spinpoint F3, it comes to $2060... Leaving me with enough room to possibly go with GTX 480 in Sli
June 15, 2010 5:27:20 PM

I would definitely not recommend only going with 2x SSDs as your only storage devices. If they are in RAID, Trim doesn't work too well, so they will lose efficiency fairly quickly (unless you know what you are doing with SSDs). Also, SSDs have significantly less write life than HDDs- meaning that the more they are written on, the faster they die. In any circumstance, SSD or not, I would definitely go at least one HDD for storage.
June 15, 2010 6:01:52 PM

I could either ditch the 1TB, go with 2 VelociRaptor 300gbs or, Keep the 1TB, use my 320gb USB HD as backup and go for a 2nd gtx 480... which would be better?

Im thinking the 2nd 480 would be better... I can deal with not loading windows/games 10 seconds faster if it means getting 50%+ FPS in games with the 2nd 480
June 15, 2010 6:22:01 PM

TBH- I'd personally go with the second 480, provided you have the power supply for it (my personal preference would be a 1000w for 2 480s). Expanding storage is quite easy, especially with SSDs on the edge of the market- I'm planning on picking up some more SSDs when their prices drop (around Christmas). With the 2 480's, it is /VITAL/ that you have good circulation in your case. I would be sure to pick your other components around the 480's- they can get fairly hot.
June 15, 2010 6:37:49 PM

With the Spedo case,, I should have a total of 2x 230mm fans, 1x140mm fan and 9x 120mm fans. 1 of those 120mm fans will be about an inch from the 2 cards blowing air directly on them.
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