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June 15, 2010 2:39:36 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Some time within the month

BUDGET RANGE: 1300-1400 After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Photo Editing, Photogrammetry, 3D Modeling/Rendering, web surfing, and movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Need Everything

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I like newegg.com but am willing to use other sites if the price is right

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: None
OVERCLOCKING: Maybe
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 (23"-25" preferable)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I will be using it for heavy and complex Photoshop/Illustrator, Rhino/Cinema 4D, and Photo Modeler Scanner which is a photogrammetry program.

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This is the set up I have at the moment, not set on anything. If one part seems excessive and the money could be spend to upgrade a different part I am willing to swap parts. Trying to see if this set up is appropriately set up for what I will be using it for. I am also trying to figure out if I am missing any components ( need more fans or cooling system?) or anything else. Thank you.

Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS M4A88TD-M/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill RV2-600 600 W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V SLI Ready Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7T-6GBPK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HITACHI Deskstar HD32000 IDK/7K (0S00164) 2TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 ASCR 20000:1 (1000:1) Built-in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 15, 2010 5:12:33 AM

1. Since u have an ATX case: consider ATX Gigabyte 880GA-UD3H/ 870A-UD3?
2. Hmm no gaming needs $49AR free ship 9800GT?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3. Antec/Corsair/OCZ 80+ 450-500W PSU good to go ^^
4. Consider 1055T
5. AM3 is dual channel so 2 x 2 or 2 x 4 for RAM
6. Consider 2 x F3 1TBs?
7. Possible mobo + ram combo for consideration?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
8. Possible to squeeze in 50-80GB SSD there me thinks hehe
June 15, 2010 5:17:17 AM

^ Good choice wiht the 6-core...A very good CPU IMO for such tasks...But you should also have checked the i7 930 right??

As for the parts, here are some suggestions...
PSU - There are better ones...
Get this case + PSU - A very good case with good airflow and this PSU is of very good quality and is modular too...
CM 690 Black + CM Silent PRO 600W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM - Dont go with Tri-Channel kits - 3 RAM sticks...If you populate 3 or 1 RAM slot, then the RAM wont run in Dual-Channel...Those kits are good for X58 platforms as the i7 9xx CPUs have Tri-Channel memory controllers...
Get this RAM if you want to have a upgrade option - 2x 4GB kit as you will have 2 RAM slots free so that if you need more RAM, you can add them later on...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics card - IMO going with a Nvidia card would be a good option as many 3D rendering apps and Photoshop take advantage of CUDA - Nvidia tech...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you have money left, then you can get SSD for OS and apps and they act as very good scratch disks too...

If you have any questions do post them here...
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June 15, 2010 3:37:00 PM

Why don't you go with a workstation card if that is what you are going to use it for?
June 15, 2010 4:01:56 PM

jadavis1992 said:
Why don't you go with a workstation card if that is what you are going to use it for?


Yea I agree, if not gaming, then you would see a big performance increase from a Quadro card. You have the budget for a decent one, and it will perform better in your case than a CUDA enabled gaming GPU.

Antec 300 Illusion - $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Earthwatts EA650 - $59.99 w/ $15 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T - $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H - $124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.Skill Ripjaw 4GB DDR3-1600 - $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON DVD Burner - $24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PNY Quadro FX 1800 - $559.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" - $189.99 w/ $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $1391.91

Should handle your needs quite well.

If you do OC, you can pick up an aftermarket cooler for ~$30 bucks. The CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ is a good choice.
June 15, 2010 8:55:42 PM

This might sounds like a stupid question, but this is my first build. With Transmaniacon's set there is less RAM and a less powerful CPU per core, and the money is moved to:

PNY Quadro FX 1800 - $559.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

what advantage does this have over the gaming cards, why so much more money? Will the drop in CPU and RAM effect over all processing time? Also what does "mobo" stand for?

Thanks for everyone's help so far. Very much appreciated.
June 15, 2010 9:07:50 PM

You can easily overclock the 1055T to match the speed of the Thuban, the only difference is the Thuban has an unlocked multiplier making OCing easier. You may want to add another 4GB of RAM. It puts you over budget, but it helps a lot with the kind of multitasking you will be doing. For all that 3D modeling and rendering, the GPU takes a big load off the CPU. CUDA is what these types of applications use, and while the gaming GPUs have CUDA, a workstation card excels in this regard moreso. I would take a 1055T + FX1800 over a 1090T + GTS250 anyday.
June 15, 2010 9:10:27 PM

with over clocking is the after market cooler a must?
June 15, 2010 9:12:55 PM

You can get by with a mild OC using the stock cooler, but I would definitely recommend an aftermarket one. They are quieter, cool better, and extend the life of the CPU.
June 15, 2010 9:36:44 PM

next question lol. The video card you have suggested, seems to be oos or special order every where, and other suggestions?
June 15, 2010 10:29:25 PM

What 3d rendering programs are you using?

From my experience using 3ds Max 2009 to render complex scenes, the difference between the consumer level nvidia cards and the quadros/firegls is negligible. I can honestly say that the slight increase in stability while rotating in a viewport is not worth the premium the workstation cards charge. Add to that the fact that 3ds Max doesn't use the gpu to render, and you have a workstation card that is overpriced and uneccessary.

I'd even opt for the intel i7-930 over any hex core amd cpu.
June 16, 2010 12:39:25 AM

I am most concerned about photoshop use and photo modeler scanner? For the price and what I will be using it for is it work it to spend an extra 250$ on the gpu?
June 16, 2010 1:24:24 AM

OK....I think I have decided to no go with the workstation gpu because from what I have read the money to performance is not worth it in my price point...please let me know if this is incorrect. Below is what I am looking at as my final build I think. Let me know.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill RNX-G300LX IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Card Up to 54Mbps Data Rates 64/128-Bit WEP, 802.1x, WPA, WPA2, AES, TKIP ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 01G-P3-1158-TR GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model F3-8500CL7D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor Model HDT90ZFBGRBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX30GXXX 2.5" 30GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Silent Pro 600 RS-600-AMBA-D3 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN3 CM690 II Basic Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Produc/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

Total:$1,454.87

A little over budget but I can swing it..
June 16, 2010 4:32:46 AM

^ Nice build, but why the change in the mobo ??
IMO you wont need the 890FX...
Go with your initial choice or either of these...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And as for the HDD, Samsung F3 would be better - Cheaper, faster and more reliable than the current Seagates...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

As for the graphics card, like you said sometimes the performance doesnt warrant the price premium that it commands...
And get the Zotac as it supports OpenGL 3.2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU + SSD combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

IMO going with a bigger SSD might be a good idea or buying 1 more and putting it in RAID will also be nice as 30GB might not suffice when you load up the OS, apps...also you would need atleast 20% free space for a SSD to work with optimum performance...So with the money saved on the mobo add ~$20 more and get 1 more SSD in RAID 0...
June 16, 2010 6:31:36 AM

Agreed 890FX geared towards the HC enthusiast
June 16, 2010 10:48:58 AM

At $1100-$1200, I'd be doing an 1150 based system .... at $1450ish, I'd do 1366. For rendering, Id also use a CUDA enabled workstation card and if not that a fermi 470.
June 16, 2010 12:24:39 PM

I realize the workstation GPU is pricy, but if you compare the build you just posted with mine, you have just ended up spending more money in unnecessary places, and not really improved your performance much at all. The only significant advantage you have is the SSD, but at your price point, you are going to take a hit on other more crucial things by going with an almost ~$300 SSD...

"heavy and complex Photoshop/Illustrator, Rhino/Cinema 4D, and Photo Modeler Scanner which is a photogrammetry program."

I really feel you are going to need more than the GTS250, like Jack said, if you don't want to pony up for a quadro, the GTX470 is the next best option.

June 17, 2010 4:15:03 AM

^ I doubt that the GTX 4xx series would offer significant performance increase over the GTS 250 for rendering purposes and not to forget the $200 price difference which is not negligible...
If you really want to get a Fermi, then I would rather suggest you to wait as Nvidia will be launching newer Fermi cards based on GF104, which should be priced lower yet offer very good performance...Probable launch by July...So maybe till then get a cheap GT220/ GT240 card...
June 17, 2010 4:46:08 PM

Ok. After reading everyone's comments this is what I am set on. I realize that the video card is going to be a under power for the time being but it is something I will plan on upgrading in the near future. Let me know if there are any glaring omissions of parts or parts will not function together. Thanks for everyone's help.

LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-880GA-UD3H AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ZOTAC ZT-20109-10P GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor Model HDT90ZFBGRBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Silent Pro 600 RS-600-AMBA-D3 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN3 CM690 II Basic Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

June 17, 2010 6:34:09 PM

OK. Ill do that.
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