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June 15, 2010 4:49:41 PM

So I am about to spend about $5000 on my new rig and I would love comments and some advices before proceeding.

Motherboard:
ASUS P6T7 WS Supercomputer

Graphics Card:
Asus ATI Radeon HD 5970 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
Asus ATI Radeon HD 5970 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

RAM:
Corsair Dominator GT 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C8 2000MHz Triple Channel Kit

CPU:
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown

Sound Card:
ASUS Xonar Essence STX Virtual 7.1 Channels PCI Express x1 Interface 124 dB SNR / Headphone AMP Card

Power Supply:
NanoPoint Tagan TG1100-BZ 1100W PipeRock Power Supply Unit

Case and Cooling:
Z-Machine GT1000 chassis and the Reserator XT

Hard Drives:
2x Western Digital Caviar Green 1000GB 7200rpm SATA 16MB Hard Drive - AT RAID 1
1x Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB (10,000rpm) SATA 3GB/s 16MB Hard Drive
1x Crucial RealSSD C300 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive - OS INSTALLED ON

All advices accepted,
Thanks.

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June 15, 2010 4:55:09 PM

Also, note that not a lot of games right now will be able to use the four GPU cores on two 5970s, the scaling on those in crossfire are not what I'd like them to be :( 
June 15, 2010 4:56:07 PM

For that price range, you may as well go a few additional SSDs for gaming over the velociraptor.
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June 15, 2010 5:00:43 PM

Yea I would go with 2 OCZ Vertex SSDs in RAID 0 for OS/Apps

And for storage, the Seagate 7200.12 and Samsung Spinpoint F3 HDDs are the top performers right now.

As Omni mentioned, the quad-fire doesn't have the best support, but to be honest, unless you are gaming on a 30" screen, The HD5970 will max out games at 1080P...
June 15, 2010 5:30:18 PM

Fill out form in sticky. Link in my sig.

No need for a sound card, unless audio professional. PSU wis eyou're better off with a Corsair 850 or 950tx.

You should also really be getting a SATA 6 USB 3 MOBO.
June 15, 2010 8:04:00 PM

Thanks for the fast replies...

So you would prefer a 2 OCZ Vertex instead of velociraptors... I'll have a close look on that one and probably go for it..

What about with the scaling on the 5970's Omniblivion? Could you tell me more about it? What you suggest I'll go with? It's obvious that 5970 nowadays are probably the best graphic cards you can buy so I can't really find a problem on 2..

To banthracis:
You think an ASUS Z8PE-D18 would be better choice as a motherboard? That would definitely pass the $5000 price having 2 cpu's :/ 
June 15, 2010 8:28:18 PM

With current drivers/games, the scaling on two 5970's are not linear- one card gives, persay, 100 "points", the second only gives about 50-60.

Additionally, not many games can currently utilize 4 GPUs in crossfire; very few developers (if any) code current games to take advantage of 4 GPUs, since less than 0.1% of PC owners have 4 GPUs. It is likely that the second card will be "wasted" (nowhere near full potential) in many games currently out now. Then again, if you're planning on keeping this system for a while, you may as well go the 2 5970s; that will stand up to most games for a long time (make sure you get the 5970s with aftermarket cooling; you'll need it).
June 15, 2010 8:29:37 PM

Note that scaling with 2 5970s is currently limited to drivers; the hardware is there, developers just need to figure out the best way to maximize all of it :) 
June 15, 2010 8:35:50 PM

Aham... well then I could go with one and later on I can get the second one, maybe next year...
June 15, 2010 8:48:38 PM

Still haven't filled out the form in the sticky. What is the purpose of this build? Gaming? Workstation?

Assuming gaming, you really don't need $5k to do a top of the line build.

i7-930 $290
Ga-X58-UD3 MOBO $210
Corsair 850HX $170 don't need modular but silver rating is nice.
2x OCZ Vertex 2 100GB boot drives in Raid 0 $700
Raid 10 or 5 1TB spinpoint F3 drives 3 or 4 drives $210-$280
Optical Drive $20
HAF 922 Case $90
2x 5970 $1400
HSF Megahalem $62
2x scythe slipstream fans for the Megahalem $24
6 GB Skill Trident DDR3 2000 kit $200

Total: Even before rebates and MIR that s $3,500 as the most I can really come up with spending. You honestly don't need the second 5970 or second Vertex 2 either. So $2.5k is really a more reasonable number for what it should really be.


June 15, 2010 8:56:56 PM

Sorry on the sticky...


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 2 Weeks time
BUDGET RANGE: Maximum $5000
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: I am a graphic & web designer (Photoshop etc), gamer and for extreme multitasking! (Could run 20 programs at a time with a browser over 20 tabs)
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, OS, Monitors, Storage hard drives
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Doesn't matter
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: United Kingdom
PARTS PREFERENCES: Not any...
OVERCLOCKING: Maybe
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050 x2 (2 Monitors)
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Quiet and nice as possible
June 15, 2010 9:06:17 PM

rallyboy said:
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050 x2 (2 Monitors)


Get some new monitors with part of your $5,000. You definitely don't need 2 5970s with 1680x1050x2.... If you wanted to keep those, you could get a 30+" center monitor screen for gaming/productivity, one on either side for other apps. Eyefinity is a personal preference, but if you are going that route it would be better to get 3 brand new monitors of the same type (and higher res).
June 15, 2010 9:12:33 PM

Omniblivion said:
Get some new monitors with part of your $5,000. You definitely don't need 2 5970s with 1680x1050x2.... If you wanted to keep those, you could get a 30+" center monitor screen for gaming/productivity, one on either side for other apps. Eyefinity is a personal preference, but if you are going that route it would be better to get 3 brand new monitors of the same type (and higher res).


Unfortunately 5,000.00 USD is 4,055.86 EUR which wouldn't be enough if im buying monitors aswell ... Only the CPU costs almost a thousand euro so 3000 left which I'm getting everything else...
June 15, 2010 9:21:55 PM

Sounds like you have a catch-22; those two monitors won't be able to fully utilize one 5970, much less 2. Very few games will play on 2 monitors, so you're stuck with playing on 1680x1050- you could get away with getting a 5870, or a GTX 480, as mentioned above.

To be honest, I'd say go for the monitors over the extra GPUs. You can always upgrade GPUs when needed (not for a while, even with 5970, unless you're doing eyefinity). If you stick with those monitors, you're stuck in a ferarri with a 100km governor.
June 15, 2010 10:00:55 PM

Right; it's no doubt the best. The point is that it is overkill. Anything over (consistant) 60 FPS is only for epeen, since your monitor won't show more than 60 frames per second. Effectively, you're only utilizing 50% of the card's capabilities by playing it at that resolution. If you were to get a 5870, you'd save hundreds of dollars and still not be able to tell the difference (assuming there aren't crazy low points, just using the data you're providing).
June 15, 2010 10:08:27 PM

I don't know if you understood them, but you'll enjoy more your computer if you get bigger & better res monitor than keeping your current monitors.
The common mortal error is to buy the best thing because they just like the idea of having the best thing evar.

As said, in the case you buy a 5970, you should go for new monitors like this you would be able to really use the card's potential.

If you really don't know how to spend your money, donate it or whatever, but don't waste it.

Viva el capitalismo! Sigh
June 15, 2010 10:11:13 PM

Yes but then I could come any time later on and buy a monitor, instead of graphics card. At the time I do have 2 monitors, so I'll have to buy 2 new ones aswell and a new graphics card because I'll change it anyway so at the end I have 2 choices...

1) 1x ATI Radeon 5970
or
2) 1x GTX 480s and 2x Monitors!

Which sounds cheaper? :o 
June 15, 2010 10:14:46 PM

I'm not wasting my money powerfuel, I'm watching further down the road...

Instead of 1x GTX 480 I'll take 5970 and probably have the same performance with GTX 480.

But then, when ever I find some extra money I'll just change my monitors and go at the maximum instead of having to buy a new card aswell...
June 15, 2010 10:28:03 PM

With a $5000 budget you should be able to fit 5970 and (3) monitors. Monitors are not expensive (for gaming)- you can get 24" monitors on Newegg for under $200. You're in Europe, though, which means you'll have to shop around.

It is pointless to get the 5970 now with those monitors- by the time you get the monitors to match the 5970, there will be a new card out that trumps the 5970. You should definitely get the monitors first, then upgrade GPU from there.
June 16, 2010 1:35:39 AM

rallyboy said:
So I am about to spend about $5000 on my new rig and I would love comments and some advices before proceeding.

Motherboard:
ASUS P6T7 WS Supercomputer

Graphics Card:
Asus ATI Radeon HD 5970 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
Asus ATI Radeon HD 5970 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

RAM:
Corsair Dominator GT 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C8 2000MHz Triple Channel Kit

CPU:
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown

Sound Card:
ASUS Xonar Essence STX Virtual 7.1 Channels PCI Express x1 Interface 124 dB SNR / Headphone AMP Card

Power Supply:
NanoPoint Tagan TG1100-BZ 1100W PipeRock Power Supply Unit

Case and Cooling:
Z-Machine GT1000 chassis and the Reserator XT

Hard Drives:
2x Western Digital Caviar Green 1000GB 7200rpm SATA 16MB Hard Drive - AT RAID 1
1x Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB (10,000rpm) SATA 3GB/s 16MB Hard Drive
1x Crucial RealSSD C300 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive - OS INSTALLED ON

All advices accepted,
Thanks.


LIAN LI PC-A77F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD9 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 XL ATX Intel Motherboard
EVGA 015-P3-1482-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support...x3
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80613I7980X
Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler

Will had up to 4,400 dollars

June 16, 2010 12:33:33 PM

There is also the option of dropping down the CPU, and then getting 3 new monitors and 2 HD5970...

An i7-930 will give you the same performance in games, and handle all your multitasking with ease. Unless you are using CPU-intensive programs that are multi-threaded, you are not going to be able to utilize that hexacore CPU. And by the time games catch up as far as multi-threading goes, there will be 4 new generations of CPUs that will outperform the i7-980x.
June 16, 2010 1:15:56 PM

I would go with banthracis' build get 3 120hz monitors, 480 gtx sli and 3d vision that should get you at around 4000-4500. Which even gives you enough money to get an sr2 and 2 930 equivilant cpu's if that's possible. You'll need a bigger case though obsidian 800d or haf x.

If my maths is right that should give you a total ownage 3d surround system with enough cpu-power to levitate your house.
June 16, 2010 4:25:44 PM

Thanks...

I already have Thermaltake XASER III full tower which is actually really big but I was thinking to change that...

Okay so I decided to go with 2x 480gtx and Core i7 930... I suppose I'll have the same feeling on multi tasking...
June 16, 2010 5:23:21 PM

"I suppose I'll have the same feeling on multi tasking..."

I don't reall know what you mean by that but if you check out the sr-2
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=270-WS-W55... paired with some 930 equivalent xeons it should perform amazingly.

Although that mobo doesn't fit in the xaser. I don't in whatr it does fit really.
June 16, 2010 6:11:10 PM

Most full towers support extended-ATX which is what most dual-socket motherboards are.

What are you coming from now, CPU wise? I feel you are underestimating the i7-930.
June 16, 2010 6:21:08 PM

Neh I know the 930 packs a serious punch. But an sr2 with to 930-like xeons will perform like the 980 but it will have 8 cores(good for multitasking), be cheaper and leave some room for upgrades.

The 930 will do just fine but if he wants to use the 5000 for gaming and multitasking dual xeon + dual 480gtx is definately an option to consider.

The sr2 is some strange form factor It might fit in an 800d though.
June 16, 2010 6:32:44 PM

Oh yea not denying that, but that kind of system is going to cost just as much as the i7-980x, and likely need to be overclock to match even the stock speeds of the 980, for gaming performance.
June 16, 2010 6:39:43 PM

yeah it will need some tweaking to be fast but it should be a little bit cheaper.

600 + 300 +300 for the dual cpu solution

300(the ud3r really doesn't have adequate cooling)+1000 for the 980
June 16, 2010 6:50:43 PM

Its more like 600 + 380 + 380, I would get anything less than the Xeon E5520.
June 16, 2010 6:56:26 PM

ok could be I just took the price of the 930. I don't know much about xeon 55xx cpu's let alone how they perform. Ok so in that case it is almost the same.
June 16, 2010 7:02:23 PM

Yea the Xeons are more expensive, and I am not sure how they differ architecture wise, but the clock speeds are lower than the comparable desktop CPUs, so for gaming, where clock speeds matter right now, it would take some OCing to get them up to par, and I am not sure how they handle that.
June 16, 2010 7:23:22 PM

I thought every i7 had a xeon equivilant. So if the 930 is like the e5520 and can be similarly OC'd then I maintain dual cpu is the way to go.

If not then you'll have to think whether gaming or multitasking is more important.
June 16, 2010 7:25:59 PM

I assume you should get a decent OC out of those chips though otherwise the sr2 wouldn't be so OC oriented.
June 16, 2010 7:29:08 PM

Yea that makes sense, I guess the biggest problem with OCing Xeon chips is finding a decent HSF that can maintain those OCs...
June 16, 2010 8:30:47 PM

Somebody_007 said:
"I suppose I'll have the same feeling on multi tasking..."

I don't reall know what you mean by that but if you check out the sr-2
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=270-WS-W55... paired with some 930 equivalent xeons it should perform amazingly.

Although that mobo doesn't fit in the xaser. I don't in whatr it does fit really.


WoW! What a mobo! Loved it and first time saw it!

The dimensions of a Xaser is 23.8 x 9.8 x 26.0 inch where the EVGA Classified SR-2 is 12 x 9.6?
June 16, 2010 8:38:43 PM

To be honest I am a gamer but I would prefer my computer to be more multitasking wise because I'm sure I could play any game with a multitasking PC build were if it was a gaming one, it would struggle on multitasking.
June 16, 2010 8:56:28 PM

I've sorted out my list and now the motherboard left and I am between 4:

ASUS P6T7 WS Supercomputer
ASUS Rampage III Extreme
EVGA Classified SR-2
and Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD9
June 16, 2010 8:56:31 PM

yeah what you say is true dual xeons Oc's to a decent frequency will perform very well in games. You just need to find 2 decent heatsinks that fit like Transmaniacon said. Although the xaser really will be to small it only supports atx and the sr2 is far bigger than that.

personally I'd go with bantracis' build with the modifications I mentioned including the dual xeon. That should put you in the 4700-4800 dollar price range. When the 1356 come out the westmere's will decrease in price and you could uprgade to those if there is a need. Also if you 480's get inadequate just add in two more for four-way sli.
June 16, 2010 11:08:30 PM

Does it matter the GPU's brand ?

Zotac seems to be 40% cheapear than ASUS...
June 17, 2010 12:25:39 AM

They are pretty similar, generally some brands are known for better technical support or cooling systems. XFX is known for its double lifetime warranty, I would say pick the one that has a good price and avoid any bad reviews with respect to warranties.
June 17, 2010 12:29:27 AM

With this budget, you want 3 GTX 480s.

much faster than 2 5970s.

Also, Liquid cooling.`
June 17, 2010 3:16:52 AM

builderbobftw said:
With this budget, you want 3 GTX 480s.

much faster than 2 5970s.

Also, Liquid cooling.`


I would hate to see his power bill with that monster turned on... =P
June 17, 2010 5:24:21 AM

bobby he wants to multitask and he's already on his budget limit. If he drops the 3 screens I menioned though he still has 1000dollar headroom which could be used towards a very good LCS. Or 3 3d screens as I first mentioned. But I'd stick with 2 480's. 3 is kind of overkill you're better of getting LC and OCing 2. BTW you can also add more later
June 17, 2010 10:43:18 AM

that's a good board but dual cpu offers some real advantages at a very reasonable price.
June 17, 2010 12:32:36 PM

WC shouldn't cause any trouble though. If he doesn't buy new monitors he has over a 1000 to spend. Enough to buy a very high end WCS to cool both cpu's and both gpu's.
June 17, 2010 12:35:24 PM

Yea that might be his best bet, in which case, I would go with the EVGA board somebody linked, along with 2 Intel Xeon E5520, and 2 GTX480.
June 17, 2010 12:50:25 PM

agreed(obviously it was my idea lol). For the watercooling I'd just get the parts and start of small with the radiators and fans and keep on adding if it's to hot. You don't want to be like linus from linus tech tips and buy two boreas which keep your cpu at 20degrees at it's highest stable frequency(so overkill :p ).

You also might invest in some good ram like the ones in your first post. And stick some mean cooling on it like this https://shop.corsair.com/store/item_view.aspx?id=833092 OR less ownage https://shop.corsair.com/store/item_view.aspx?id=833087

Seeing as this will be a heck of a fast pc(maxed out storage, fast enough cpu's) might as well invest in superfast ram.
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