Follow-up to 'Erotic Photography Question'

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If you, as the photographer do not feel the eroticism (get turned on), how
do you expect viewers of your photo's to be?

This is not a trick question, and I will openly admit I have no experience
in this field (except photographing girlfriends), but do you not get the
models to pose in a way that you find erotic?

You talk about 'professional', but you can't subdue instinct, surely?

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"Cynicor" <j.t.r.u..p.i..n...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> "A" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > If you, as the photographer do not feel the eroticism (get turned on),
how
> > do you expect viewers of your photo's to be?
> >
> > This is not a trick question, and I will openly admit I have no
experience
> > in this field (except photographing girlfriends), but do you not get the
> > models to pose in a way that you find erotic?
> >
> > You talk about 'professional', but you can't subdue instinct, surely?
>
> Wait, they'll actually pose for that? And here I was, amazed that Eolake
> could sneak up on so many unsuspecting women relaxing in the forest.

And he's such a square that he doesn't get turned on by the idea? =)

I grew up in Samoa and I always got turned on when I found a pretty girl in
the woods. Who needed a camera?

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Skip, don't get defensive about what I am about to say. I don't doubt you,
I am just interested.

When you say you 'know what will work', how do you know this without
'feeling' the photo.

When you say you enjoy the end results, is it partially luck? The reason I
say this is because wildlife photographers talk about some of their photos
like it was no accident, and in a lot of cases it isn't, but there are a lot
of photos you know were a result of 7FPS, even if they didn't admit it. It
doesn't mean they are bad photographers BTW.





"Skip M" <shadowcatcher@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Because, on one level, you know what will work, but on another level, you
> are working so hard to get that "look," that you don't respond to the
pose,
> yourself. But I always enjoy the end result, if I've done my job right.
> That's when I know whether they're "erotic" or not. And, frankly, there
> have been times that I've not gotten what I wanted to, image wise,
sometimes
> because I couldn't get the erotic look, and once or twice (in ten years)
> because I did allow myself to be distracted by the eroticism of the
> situation. But that last was something like the second or third time I
did
> it.
>
> --
> Skip Middleton
> http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
>
>

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If you loved cars, you would feel the desire if you were shooting a Ferrari.
Wouldn't you?



"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> A writes:

> Easily. For the true photographer, the absorbing interest of taking
> photographs overrides mere sexual desire.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:51:19 -0000, "A" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>Skip, don't get defensive about what I am about to say. I don't doubt you,
>I am just interested.
>
>When you say you 'know what will work', how do you know this without
>'feeling' the photo.
>
>When you say you enjoy the end results, is it partially luck? The reason I
>say this is because wildlife photographers talk about some of their photos
>like it was no accident, and in a lot of cases it isn't, but there are a lot
>of photos you know were a result of 7FPS, even if they didn't admit it. It
>doesn't mean they are bad photographers BTW.

Sure there is some luck. Skip's job is to make sure that all his
photos are as close to technically perfect as possible. The last thing
he wants is to loose an erotic expression or pose due to his own
error. In doing this part, I don't think luck is involved, just his
skill.

He also directs the shoot, frames and composes the shot, controls the
lighting etc, again no luck, just artistic skill and experience.

His model poses as directed and he decides when to press the button.
Largely skill here still, but I concur, some luck is creeping in.

Now if he did this and the subject was a rock, there is no way in hell
I'd waste my time looking at 20 pictures of the same rock - all
seasons, all angles, it's still just a rock. A naked pretty girl
however, is worth the download, so the model has a lot do with the end
result, she's half of the art. The 'luck' is when the two halves
collide.

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Good post Todd, and a very good point.

However, it doesn't mean that war journalists aren't physically sick when
they take the photos.



"Todd H." <t@toddh.net> wrote in message news:m08y7z2n3d.fsf@ripco.com...
> "A" <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
> > If you, as the photographer do not feel the eroticism (get turned on),
how
> > do you expect viewers of your photo's to be?
>
> Proof by counterexample: War photojournalists develop a pretty thick
> skin to the horrors they're photographing. However, that doesn't
> prevent their images from evoking feelings in the common person who
> doesn't see all that day in and day out.
>
> As someone else said earlier, see enough of anything and you get used
> to it. But that doesn't mean everyone who'll take in that image will
> be similarly inured.
>
> Any artist no matter what genre needn't feel the emotion as they're
> creating the work that they'll ultimately evoke in the viewer.
>
> --
> Todd H.
> http://www.toddh.net/

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"A" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:cpq912$i8o$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:

> If you, as the photographer do not feel the eroticism (get turned on),
> how do you expect viewers of your photo's to be?

Turn the question around: why would you expect someone to be turned on by a
particular photo you take? Erotica is subjective; furthermore, your viewer
does not share your same experience, just the one you manage to convey in
the shot is probably not going to be what actually happened.

You are building a fantasy. This isn't journalism.

> This is not a trick question, and I will openly admit I have no
> experience in this field (except photographing girlfriends), but do
> you not get the models to pose in a way that you find erotic?

Sure. And work with them to help realize their ideas; done properly, you
can get something else altogether that happens spontaneously, and often
that's when the magic occurs.

> You talk about 'professional', but you can't subdue instinct, surely?

You bet you can. The passion for art can be intense enough to push
everything else out of your mind. Further, when you aren't working with a
lover, the professional conduct is what makes the models comfortable.

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"Owamanga" <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:51:19 -0000, "A" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Skip, don't get defensive about what I am about to say. I don't doubt
>>you,
>>I am just interested.
>>
>>When you say you 'know what will work', how do you know this without
>>'feeling' the photo.
>>
>>When you say you enjoy the end results, is it partially luck? The reason
>>I
>>say this is because wildlife photographers talk about some of their photos
>>like it was no accident, and in a lot of cases it isn't, but there are a
>>lot
>>of photos you know were a result of 7FPS, even if they didn't admit it.
>>It
>>doesn't mean they are bad photographers BTW.
>
> Sure there is some luck. Skip's job is to make sure that all his
> photos are as close to technically perfect as possible. The last thing
> he wants is to loose an erotic expression or pose due to his own
> error. In doing this part, I don't think luck is involved, just his
> skill.
>
> He also directs the shoot, frames and composes the shot, controls the
> lighting etc, again no luck, just artistic skill and experience.
>
> His model poses as directed and he decides when to press the button.
> Largely skill here still, but I concur, some luck is creeping in.
>
> Now if he did this and the subject was a rock, there is no way in hell
> I'd waste my time looking at 20 pictures of the same rock - all
> seasons, all angles, it's still just a rock. A naked pretty girl
> however, is worth the download, so the model has a lot do with the end
> result, she's half of the art. The 'luck' is when the two halves
> collide.
>
> --
> Owamanga!

LOL!!! You are so right. You said in four short paragraphs what I've taken
much, much more to say. That, indeed is the "luck."
It's funny how often I've gotten a girl who I didn't expect much of, and got
some of the best images possible, and other times, went into a shoot with
very high expectations, and the girl was wooden, or grumpy, or just not
working out. Some of that is my fault, I'm supposed to 1) choose models I
can work with, and 2) get the best out of them, once we start working
together. But sometimes, it just don't happen!

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Skip Middleton
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Owamanga writes:

> I don't get your point, you want the photographer to shoot his load
> over the chick in the last few frames?

No, I was making the point that a photographer need not be aroused by a
photograph during the shoot for viewers of the photograph later to find
it arousing.

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:06:20 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

You sure about that transpose thing? that add looks normal to me.

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:57:00 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>The address on my posts is both normal and functioning; but everything
>sent to it (almost) is discarded. You must perform the transposition
>and send e-mail to the new address thus obtained in order to actually
>reach me. It's just an anti-spam measure.

Ah, ok. I see now. At first glance it looks like you forgot to transpose it in
the first place... :-)

I understand now.

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> If you, as the photographer do not feel the eroticism (get turned on), how
> do you expect viewers of your photo's to be?
>
> This is not a trick question, and I will openly admit I have no experience
> in this field (except photographing girlfriends), but do you not get the
> models to pose in a way that you find erotic?
>
> You talk about 'professional', but you can't subdue instinct, surely?
>
>

I don't get turned on when I photograph a horse either.

You know, shooting erotic for a profession is hard work. You see a series
of shots, from fully clothed winsome openning shot through the strip to the
full spread. What you don't see is the make up assistant, the lighting
assistant, the two or three other girls changing hair styles and outfits for
the next shot, the other assistants setting up the next scene or room. OK,
porn is a very competitive business, these guys work their asses off. They
rent a house or other location, those b&bs or other private homes rent for a
lot for these kinds of shoots.

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"Angela" <anyoldmail@gmail.takethisout.com> wrote in message
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> "A" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> If you, as the photographer do not feel the eroticism (get turned on),
>> how
>> do you expect viewers of your photo's to be?
>
> It's not just men that take erotic photos you know!!
>
As it's not just women who pose for them. We've sort of lost sight of both
those points...

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:41:20 GMT, Owamanga <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:05:45 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Owamanga writes:
>>
>>> I don't get your point, you want the photographer to shoot his load
>>> over the chick in the last few frames?
>>
>>No, I was making the point that a photographer need not be aroused by a
>>photograph during the shoot for viewers of the photograph later to find
>>it arousing.
>
>Okay, so maybe he can just scribble 'I THE PHOTOGRAPHER HAD A BULGE-ON
>FOR THIS ONE' under each photo. You'll enjoy them more that way?
>
>..whatever does it for you, mate.
>
>:-)

Doh! Ignore me, I misread your reply.

...MUST MAKE SOME COFFEE...

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:43:16 GMT, MarkH <markat@atdot.dot.dot> wrote:

>Owamanga <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>> Hegre is going to have a third leg for years...
>>
>> BTW, I don't think that the majority of those archives were shot by
>> him personally. (Might be wrong, but it's a *lot* of stuff for one man
>> to do alone).
>
>I believe that Luba takes a lot of the photos, but I don't doubt that Hegre
>has taken an incredible amount of shots in his life.

Interesting. My advice to her would be to stop photographing other
chicks and start photographing a mirror. Oh, and she (and her sister?)
needs to get more seriously into porn before they get too old.

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> prep@prep.synonet.com writes:
>
>> It is a two way thing. There is nothing many women hate more than a
>> dead lump who ignores them! She turns you one, and that turns her on
>> and gives the shots that extra edge and sparkle that makes all the
>> difference.
>
> Or it distracts both of you and the resulting shots later look so bad
> that your ashamed to go through them, much less show them to anyone
> else.
>

For once, Mxs, you and I agree...

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