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$2.5k gaming build, opinions welcome!

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June 18, 2010 3:38:19 AM

Corsair Obsidian Series 800D Full Tower Case $309

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=41960&vpn=CC800D...

Core i7 930 $309

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=50913&vpn=BX80601930&manu...

Mushkin Enhanced Redline Frostbyte 6G $208

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=49816&vpn=998805&manufact...

OCZ Agility 2 Extended 120GB SSD $364

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=53185&vpn=OCZSSD2-2AGTE12...

Corsair HX1000W CMPSU-1000HX 1000W PSU $250

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=28797&vpn=CMPSU-1000HX&ma...

Sapphire Radeon HD5970 $720

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=52224&vpn=21165-...

ASUS P6X58D Premium X58 $330

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46706&vpn=P6X58D...

Prolimatech Megahalems $60

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=48882&vpn=Megahalems%20Re...

Total before peripherals $2550

Dell 30" monitor $1400

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/pr...

Razer Mamba $150

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=37192&vpn=RZ01-001201...

Logitech g19 keyboard $190

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=37678&vpn=920-000969&...

OMFG I don't need to buy speakers!!

Grand total $4300

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June 18, 2010 4:13:40 AM

Alright its good that you came here.

First of all, that case isn't the best for air cooling. I recommend these:
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=47756&vpn=FT02B-W&manufac...
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=35005&vpn=RC-840-KKN1-GP&...

And for a better price:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CPU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Its a bit faster for a better price.

Good SSD.

Good PSU

Good GPU

Mobo:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

That is a great motherboard, it is one of the best overclockers while most Asus boards are overhyped and overpriced.

Good cooler, make sure to get a good fan with it.

As for peripherals:

Monitor:
Drop the 30" and get 3 good monitors for Eyefinity. When you are spending that kind of cash you should get the best, and that is Eyefinity. It really is the future of extreme gaming. I invite you to look it up on youtube.

Get three of these:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/pr...

They have IPS panels and will look just as good as the monitor you posted up.

Mouse:
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=46088&vpn=RZ01-00151400-R...

Forget the Mamba, the Deathadder is still the king of gaming mice. It is pretty well known that it has the best feel of any Razer mouse. The Mamba is a waste.

Keyboard:
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=30642&vpn=PK17U&manufactu...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=34753&vpn=PK24U&manufactu...

All of those are great, the G19 is just a waste.

If you are looking for speakers here is a great set from an audiophile, myself:
http://www.amazon.ca/Audioengine-Bookshelf-Powered-Spea...
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June 18, 2010 9:50:04 PM

thanks you for feedback. will be getting a new case, keyboard, mouse. I apreciate the eyefinity setup suggestion, but I will not be going in that direction until flat panals get rid of the border around the tv.
June 18, 2010 10:00:43 PM

Your topic title says its a 2.5k build, your initial post has a 4.3k build. Please give me a specific budget limit :) 
June 18, 2010 10:13:33 PM

WoW that's alot of $$ for Gaming Rig
June 18, 2010 11:15:46 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
Your topic title says its a 2.5k build, your initial post has a 4.3k build. Please give me a specific budget limit :) 

The computer is ~$2500. the peripharels bring it to 4.3k total
June 19, 2010 12:16:57 AM

So overall, your budget limit for the actual computer is 2.5k? Okay so here is what i would get for 2.5k in a gaming build:

CPU: Intel Core i7 930
MB: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
PSU: Corsair 1000HX
RAM:o CZ Platinum 6GB Tripled
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint 500GB
SSD: Intel X25-V
Case: Cooler Master HAF 942
ODD: ...anything
GPU: 2 GTX 480's...if you are willing to push your budget an extra 100-200bucks, you can squeeze a third into it :) . <I highly recommend it.


June 19, 2010 5:22:03 AM

And how exactly does it do that?
June 19, 2010 6:51:23 AM

Why don't you compare random reads/writes...access times. Reads dont matter at all for an OS drive when you are opening apps and loading tiny files during boots.
June 19, 2010 1:46:37 PM

Ok so when I compare 2 SSD, I should look for the random access time ? And this means the x25 is effectively better. Is that right ? If it is, sorry for my misconception.
June 19, 2010 3:17:01 PM

^Thats exactly correct. As a boot drive, a storage device basically is used for one main reason, boot the operating system and open up applications. When booting the operating system, it requires loading hundreds and thousands of tiny files (4k) scattered throughout the SSD. This is why reads don't matter. What matters is how fast the storage device can find these files (access times). Same thing goes for loading applications. And when it comes to access times, no drive excels at the task as well as Intels X25-M/E series drives...maybe a few exceptions. These drives are pretty much best of the best.
June 19, 2010 3:24:18 PM

I'm no expert or anything, just an average gamer and i've built my last 5 computers, but i would think and i would do 2 SSD's instead of one 150GB and run them raided at 0. Is that wrong?
June 19, 2010 7:21:50 PM

^Yes it is, Raid 0 will improve you sustained read speed and write speed...basically, if you copy and paste massive multi GB files from drive to drive or over a network, its useful. However it won't help a bit when booting and loading applications and over all performane. Raid doesn't improve access times which is what truely matters. So there is no point in it.
June 19, 2010 7:33:17 PM

thanks alot for the headsup and advice, I'm surprised you would mention the 480 blackhawk, I thought Ati was the way to go right now, however I havnt really researched that much into video cards as I'm saving that for last. Ive ordered the processor, SSD, PSU and monitor. Still debating over the rest.
June 19, 2010 9:22:26 PM

Ok first of all read and write is pretty important second of all that is an age old x25m new ones are MUUUUCCHHH faster.

I would tottally go with 480gtx sli

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... quiet, cool and OC'd for 20dollars more

screens: 3 of these for 3d surround

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-GD235HZbid-Widescreen-23-6-D...

and 3d glasses: http://www.amazon.com/nVidia-GeForce-3D-Vision-Kit/dp/B...

BTW ati is in very close competition with nvidia.
June 19, 2010 9:23:46 PM

NVIDIA: has better drivers and features and stuff BUT fermi is more like thermi. And it isn't really green either. But it performs like a monster(480sli leaves 5870CF miles behind not to mention a 5970) at a decent price. Bassically nvidia is the right choice for only two small groups : high-end gaming systems AKA yours or proffesional PC's(for CS5, etc...)



ATI: just an average company with good pricing. Bassically ATI is the right choice for everyone else.

So yes ATI is maybe kicking nvidia's but overall but I think in your case nvidia is the way to go.
June 19, 2010 9:36:08 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
^Yes it is, Raid 0 will improve you sustained read speed and write speed...basically, if you copy and paste massive multi GB files from drive to drive or over a network, its useful. However it won't help a bit when booting and loading applications and over all performane. Raid doesn't improve access times which is what truely matters. So there is no point in it.


I ussually agree with you but in this case I simply can't. Raid0 gives massive improvement's to bootup, application startup, etc... due to the twice as large read times. I have a raid0 array here and I've ran some tests it is bassically twice as fast in opening proggrams and bootup(when opening small proggrams like chrome the difference is neglectable because there acces time plays a large role as you said).

Although in this case you are talking about SSD's who are in themselves already fast without raid the difference should still be pretty significant. Only considering you take 2 SSD's identically fast to the single large one. One very fast large one will probably outperform 2 very slow smaller ones.

Acces times are very important but read is also very important when it comes to opening large applications like an OS or a game.

Also having raid0 halves acces times because you have two drives each able to acces a file simoultaniously.

So raid0 really does help
June 19, 2010 10:54:30 PM

HOLY, a $150 mouse?!!?!?!
June 20, 2010 1:06:15 AM

Yeah its pretty useless, has a terrible feel and is too heavy.
June 20, 2010 7:16:59 AM

I heard the mamba is pretty good. A friend of mine has one and he loves it to death. I suppose if you pay 150bucks for it what choice do you have lol.

I'd take a look at the RAT 9 looks damn good and that pinkie rest would have saved me from losing lots of killstreaks.
June 20, 2010 2:22:26 PM

I try out every Razer mouse that comes out and if the Mamba is your first real gaming mouse, then yeah your going to be impressed. It still can't match the smoothness and feel of the Razer Deathadder. The Imperator isn't bad either, I think there is something a bit off about it, but it is very similar to the Deathadder and it has most of the features of the Mamba. Note that the wireless function on the Mamba, as well as most high precision gaming mice, is useless as it lags noticeably.
June 20, 2010 2:24:53 PM

I plan on trying the RAT9/7 when they come out as well.
June 20, 2010 2:27:21 PM

Do you test these products as a proffesion or just as a hobby? And the rat 7 is already available on amazon
June 20, 2010 3:54:17 PM

A little bit of both, Razer has been known to send me test units, I was sent Imperator and the Lachesis. I mostly do some freelance reviewing of high end headphones and PC audio, which is how that started with their Barracuda series headsets. I usually try them out at my local BestBuy, I know the manager.

Yeah I know the RATs are out, but I'm waiting for them to come to my local BestBuy so that I can try it out firsthand without dropping $100-$140.
June 21, 2010 2:15:43 AM

Somebody_007 said:
I ussually agree with you but in this case I simply can't. Raid0 gives massive improvement's to bootup, application startup, etc... due to the twice as large read times. I have a raid0 array here and I've ran some tests it is bassically twice as fast in opening proggrams and bootup(when opening small proggrams like chrome the difference is neglectable because there acces time plays a large role as you said).

Although in this case you are talking about SSD's who are in themselves already fast without raid the difference should still be pretty significant. Only considering you take 2 SSD's identically fast to the single large one. One very fast large one will probably outperform 2 very slow smaller ones.

Acces times are very important but read is also very important when it comes to opening large applications like an OS or a game.

Also having raid0 halves acces times because you have two drives each able to acces a file simoultaniously.

So raid0 really does help


Oh you don't have to agree with me, you just need to provide accurate information and stop lying to the OP :) 

When in Raid 0, data bandwidth improves so large file transfers will be faster. Its like having a 10mb internet connection vs a 20mb internet connection from your ISP. However Raid 0, doesn't affect the latency or time it takes for the SSD controller to locate the file. If it does, I'd like to see your setup...maybe aliens helped you build it? Now continuing...for a boot and opening small applications, from a single SSD, you need to get thousands of tiny 4k files and load them. If you have a single SSD, this can be done directly but if you have a raid controller, it adds on to latency since the data needs to go through it so therefore it would only increase boot time and make small applications load longer. If you are opening a ridiculous application like...a massive flight simulator map, then you might see a negligible difference.

So with booting and opening regular/common apps, raid 0...doesn't help. And it doesn't help the wallet either as a good Raid controller will be significant cost for most.

And also, post up some pictures of your "Tests" in raid 0...i'd like to see them for myself incase you are lying.

June 21, 2010 10:54:51 AM

yeah I know that acces times are very important and that raid0 doesn't help that. But with raid you can acces two files simoultaniously can't you?

So I still maintain that raid0 improves HDD speed quite significantly. But then ssd'd are already very fast so whether it makes a difference there is a diffferent question.
I don't really know about wether it will make a large difference there.

And well I can't really show any fo the tests since all I did was time bootups with a clean installed version of windows with raid0 and without. Now this sounds stupid but I didn't write the results down. I remember though that the raid0 was just under a minute to get to the desktop And the other was around 1:30 I think.

Then I also had two systems side by side and messed around a little with the clock speeds and latencies so that they had the same windows rating(very unproffesional I know) and then did tasks at the same time and the raid0 setup was always slightly faster.

These "tests" were everything but reliable or proffesional but I think I can safely conclude that raid0 is a little faster overall.

Whether a difference like this can be seen with ssd's I have no idea.
June 21, 2010 11:51:05 AM




Raid 0 Makes a big and noticable difference

Just timed bootup for giggles 45 seconds from cold boot to login screen 57 seconds till full desktop loaded (I type slow :)  )
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