Gaming build, price keeps going up...?

[Mushman]

So...I'm using a build mostly off of what someone, I believe batuchka, posted on here..

Edit: Shopping Cart link didnt work..here are the parts:

CD-Rom: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335
Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059
MoBo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128416
Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303
OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754
Cooling fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
Case/Hard Drive Combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.416550
Video Card/CPU Combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.406100

Thought it would wind up being around $1200, 1300 max...and it just keeps going up when you add in a cooler, windows 7, etc. and is now up to around $1500, which I really can't afford those extra few hundred. Any idea on how I could potentially slim it down. Another reason for the jump is the tax..I live in NJ, am i correct in seeing that only NJ, Cali, and Tenn. get charged tax? If this is the case, I may have a friend who lives out of state build it for me and save almost $100.

Any help on how to potentially cut down the cost a little bit before I go ahead and order would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Also..what are the differences between these two video cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150490
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150476

They seem almost identical.

Thanks again.

 

[belial2k]

sorry, that link is not working. it is a secure page.

 

[SHANEMARINES]

For a PRE-BUILT this is a pretty good deal off of newegg:

iBUYPOWER Gamer Extreme 564Q6 Phenom II X6 1090T(3.2GHz) 4GB DDR3 750GB NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227259

Price: 1,000.00

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Now for my build for ya:

DVD Burner 20.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136168

Case and PSU 80.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.397811

CPU and Motherboard 280.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.397503

HDD 75.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145304

Memory and Video Card 431.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.417169

Total for you: 886.00

Ya thats what I'm talking about!!!

 

[batuchka]

Nah can't be my config: i never go with overpriced 8/8 CF 700 series with the Asrock 870Extreme3 in the house Just stick to single GPU solutions @ $898AR before LCD/OS?

 

[Onus]

Sorry Shane, that HEC PSU is probably fecal; the little voltage switch gives it away as an old design that doesn't have full range active PFC, and it isn't 80+.
Batuchka's is good, or for the one graphics card, get a 550W Antec Truepower New (80+ bronze vs. 80+ for the Corsair) and combo it with an Antec 300 case.

 

[SHANEMARINES]

Sorry Shane, that HEC PSU is probably fecal; the little voltage switch gives it away as an old design that doesn't have full range active PFC, and it isn't 80+.
Batuchka's is good, or for the one graphics card, get a 550W Antec Truepower New (80+ bronze vs. 80+ for the Corsair) and combo it with an Antec 300 case.

+1 for you agian, but I'm going to say that I've used HEC in the past and right now with no problems ever!

I really look for the continuous power and I like the switch on the back being that its a complete shut off and as for being old design everything you buy in the computer world is (old).

Thanx though for your input.

I'm not trying to argue with you or put you down in no way shape or form.

 

[tkrl26]

Now for my build for ya:

DVD Burner 20.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136168

Case and PSU 80.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.397811

CPU and Motherboard 280.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.397503

HDD 75.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145304

Memory and Video Card 431.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.417169

Total for you: 886.00

Ya thats what I'm talking about!!![/quotemsg]


+ 100.00 for the OEM Win 7 x64
$986.00


lol, don't get me wrong. Really nice part selection, but you still have to have an OS to run it !

 

[SHANEMARINES]

Now for my build for ya:

DVD Burner 20.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136168

Case and PSU 80.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.397811

CPU and Motherboard 280.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.397503

HDD 75.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145304

Memory and Video Card 431.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.417169

Total for you: 886.00

Ya thats what I'm talking about!!!


+ 100.00 for the OEM Win 7 x64
$986.00


lol, don't get me wrong. Really nice part selection, but you still have to have an OS to run it !

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+1 Sir.

I never add the OS which is always my mistake, I don't want to assume if they have a OS Disc or don't want the OS I selected.

 

[aebome]

Try this build, its exactly at $1200, and you can get $39.00 more in savings by applying (10% off w/ promo code VGA061710, ends 6/30) to the buidl for the Graphics card, bring the total to $1162.

Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B - OEM
Item #: N82E16827118039
$19.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152181
$54.99

Sunbeam CR-CCTF92-4 92mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2
Item #: N82E16835207006
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate
$31.99


HIS H587FN1GD Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814161329
LG W2340VG-PN Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Item #: N82E16824005145
-$45.00 Instant
-$55.00 Combo
$554.98


HIS Gift - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Redemption Coupon
Item #: N82E16800997052
-$39.99 Saving
$0.00

Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ...
Item #: N82E16817371020
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811129066
-$40.00 Instant
-$20.00 Combo
$129.98


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103808
OCZ Special Ops Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK
Item #: N82E16820227558
-$30.00 Instant
-$30.00 Combo
$239.98


OCZ Diesel 4GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive Model OCZUSBDSL4G
Item #: N82E16820227331
-$15.99 Saving
$0.00


Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754
GIGABYTE GA-770TA-UD3 AM3 AMD 770 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813128419
-$5.00 Instant
-$20.00 Combo
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$169.98


Subtotal: $1,201.89

 

[Mushman]

I appreciate all the different builds people are posting, but not to be blunt, could anyone comment on the build I posted? haha I don't know much about technical computer stuff/parts, but after doing some research, I put those parts together because of the reviews and people's recommendations.

With that said, I would like to lower the cost a bit.

Could someone also comment about:
1) The tax question I have (if it's shipped to any state but the 3 listed, there is no tax?)
2) The difference, if any, between those 2 graphic cards at the end of my original post
3) New question, how about this power supply/mobo combo as opposed to the ones I have in my original post http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.410585
Not sure if wattage is all that matters when it comes to power supply, again don't know much about this stuff, but it is higher..let me know how that combo stacks up to the original ones I have posted, because it would save a bit of money.

batuchka, what exactly did you mean by "Nah can't be my config: i never go with overpriced 8/8 CF 700 series with the Asrock 870Extreme3 in the house Just stick to single GPU solutions"

You were right, it wasn't your build..but I don't know exactly what you mean by the rest of that statement(again, know nothing about computer parts)...why is the one I posted overpriced, what does 8/8 mean and single GPU solutions, meaning replace the video card to upgrade if i ever wanted to as opposed to getting a Mobo that can do crossfire or something? Sorry if I sound ignorant

Thanks for the help! Again, don't want to seem pushy, I appreciate all the offers of help, but I want to try to place my order later today (Sunday), so trying to figure out some last minute changes n such.

 

[batuchka]

I meant:

There are chipset that offer, when 2 GPUs are slotted in 2 x PCIex16 slots 8/8 CF/SLI or for premium/high end ones 16/16 CF/SLI. So $110+ for a 700 series mobo on the now dated SB750 for me is never gonna be a good idea when the similar Asrock 870Extreme3 which also offers 8/8 is going for $95? Alternatively single GPU solutions is what i suggest : yes just upgrade the GPU once future games demands more horsepower ^^ The GPU slot in a gaming rig is about the least future proof hardware anyway. Just ask those peeps dumped $800 on an 8800 Ultra back in the day who thought it was a future proof investment feel You are welcomed

 

[Mushman]

Lot of computer-talk in your response but I think I got what you're saying haha: One you linked is $15 cheaper, similar, one I linked is a bit dated now, and both will run xfire at 8/8 as opposed to 16/16 which is better, but that doesnt matter anyway because the best bet is to replace a GPU in the future, rather than xfire anyway...I think haha.

Any thoughts on the combo I linked with the Mobo you suggested along with a Power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.410585

How's it compare to this PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=3463938&SID=

 

[batuchka]

If u running single GPU i would just stick to Corsair 650TX comboed with Samsung F3 1TB ^^

 

[Mushman]

I already have a hard drive/case combo deal though with http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.416550&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=3463938&SID=

Gahhhhh, this crap is so confusing, always something else to go with potentially haha

 

[batuchka]

Perhaps an EA650 + GSkill 1600 CL7 combo then ^^
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.408245

 

[Mushman]

That could potentially work, but that's leaving out the MoBo...which I guess I could get on its own then, the one you recommended.

So you don't like http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.410585&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=3463938&SID= then?

 

[batuchka]

A mobo not recommended for CF and a 750Watter looks a bit off but if u feel it gives you more headroom for monster GPUs down the road it's your call ^^

 

[SHANEMARINES]

I meant:

There are chipset that offer, when 2 GPUs are slotted in 2 x PCIex16 slots 8/8 CF/SLI or for premium/high end ones 16/16 CF/SLI. So $110+ for a 700 series mobo on the now dated SB750 for me is never gonna be a good idea when the similar Asrock 870Extreme3 which also offers 8/8 is going for $95? Alternatively single GPU solutions is what i suggest : yes just upgrade the GPU once future games demands more horsepower ^^ The GPU slot in a gaming rig is about the least future proof hardware anyway. Just ask those peeps dumped $800 on an 8800 Ultra back in the day who thought it was a future proof investment feel You are welcomed

You know since I've been a member your advice and information batuchka is always +1 in my book!

I think you also have this thread figured out and I hope Mushman enjoys his build once purchased and built!

 

[aebome]

Mushman, to answer your graphics card question, which I still think has not been addressed, they appear to be identical. They differ in model number only by the last letter, and look identical in the pictures. It appears that XFX HD-587X-ZNFV (the cheaper one) has less shipping ($2.99 to $7.87) and according to Newegg's pictures ships with Aliens v. Predator (though whether that is still the case is is unclear). For all intents and purposes they are the same.

As for your mobo/psu combo you found, I like it. The two are cheaper (in the combo) than the separate parts in your original post and the Antec Truepower New PSUs are good, and efficient (80 Plus Bronze). It is also modular, which the Corsair is not, which could ease cable management in your build. That said, the Corsair is very good too. The motherboard fits with what batuchka has been saying about going with a newer northbridge and Gigabyte is excellent. Just be aware that the PCI-e x16 slots are x16 and x4, not x8/x8.

 

[batuchka]

Yep 16/4 not recommended for CF ^^

 

[SHANEMARINES]

The difference of those graphics cards is one is Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) edition which 1200MHz (4.8Gbps) and 2 x 6 Pin connectors with a price of $389.99.

The other card is Radeon HD 5870 4800MHz and one 6 Pin with a price of $399.99.

I would go with second choice for the fact that Effective Memory Clock is higher.

Well I hope this helps with GPU problem lol...

 

[Mushman]

A mobo not recommended for CF and a 750Watter looks a bit off but if u feel it gives you more headroom for monster GPUs down the road it's your call ^^

What do you mean? The Mobo in this combo is what you recommended in the picture below is it not? And I thought you said I'm better off not worrying about crossfire and just upgrading 1 graphics card in the future if I ever needed to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.410585&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=3463938&SID=
is what you recommended in this pic isn't it? http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/batuchka/Untitled-159.jpg

and what do you mean by the 750 watter looks a bit off?

And thank you for the advice Aebome, finally someone talking in layman's terms haha

 

[batuchka]

Yes that the one:

I meant that mobo will be fine for a single GPU set up but the PSU in the combo is a bit too biggish wattage wise for a non CF/SLI set up but it does have headroom perhaps for the more powerful GPUs of tommorrow

 

[aebome]

The difference of those graphics cards is one is Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) edition which 1200MHz (4.8Gbps) and 2 x 6 Pin connectors with a price of $389.99.

The other card is Radeon HD 5870 4800MHz and one 6 Pin with a price of $399.99.

I would go with second choice for the fact that Effective Memory Clock is higher.

Well I hope this helps with GPU problem lol...

shanemarines: I think the memory clock is the same for these GPUS as 1200MHz has an effective clock of 4.8GHz, which is the same as 4800MHz. Newegg just listed them differently, but it is the same. Also, if you look at the pictures, both cards have 2 x 6-pin connectors, the specs must be wrong on the one that just lists 6-pin.

 

[Mushman]

Yes that the one:

I meant that mobo will be fine for a single GPU set up but the PSU in the combo is a bit too biggish wattage wise for a non CF/SLI set up but it does have headroom perhaps for the more powerful GPUs of tommorrow

Too big wattage wise meaning it's just not needed or could be potentially damaging because it is too high? Again I know nothing about this stuff...so the simplest terms possible for helping is always best! haha but believe me I appreciate all the help...The reason I keep asking about this is because that combo is cheaper than the original Mobo and 650 Corsair PSU I have in my original post...so if you're just saying it's not needed for a single GPU, it's still cheaper so I'd get it...but if the wattage being 750 is too high meaning it could be bad for the computer overall, than I wouldn't get it...