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June 18, 2010 5:18:18 AM

So...I'm using a build mostly off of what someone, I believe batuchka, posted on here..

Edit: Shopping Cart link didnt work..here are the parts:

CD-Rom: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooling fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case/Hard Drive Combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Video Card/CPU Combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Thought it would wind up being around $1200, 1300 max...and it just keeps going up when you add in a cooler, windows 7, etc. and is now up to around $1500, which I really can't afford those extra few hundred. Any idea on how I could potentially slim it down. Another reason for the jump is the tax..I live in NJ, am i correct in seeing that only NJ, Cali, and Tenn. get charged tax? If this is the case, I may have a friend who lives out of state build it for me and save almost $100.

Any help on how to potentially cut down the cost a little bit before I go ahead and order would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Also..what are the differences between these two video cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

They seem almost identical.

Thanks again.

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June 18, 2010 5:24:14 AM

sorry, that link is not working. it is a secure page.
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June 18, 2010 6:41:45 AM

For a PRE-BUILT this is a pretty good deal off of newegg:

iBUYPOWER Gamer Extreme 564Q6 Phenom II X6 1090T(3.2GHz) 4GB DDR3 750GB NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Price: 1,000.00

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Now for my build for ya:

DVD Burner 20.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case and PSU 80.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU and Motherboard 280.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD 75.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory and Video Card 431.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Total for you: 886.00

Ya thats what I'm talking about!!!

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June 18, 2010 9:11:54 AM

Nah can't be my config: i never go with overpriced 8/8 CF 700 series with the Asrock 870Extreme3 in the house :p  Just stick to single GPU solutions @ $898AR before LCD/OS?
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June 18, 2010 4:21:17 PM

Sorry Shane, that HEC PSU is probably fecal; the little voltage switch gives it away as an old design that doesn't have full range active PFC, and it isn't 80+.
Batuchka's is good, or for the one graphics card, get a 550W Antec Truepower New (80+ bronze vs. 80+ for the Corsair) and combo it with an Antec 300 case.
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June 18, 2010 6:21:13 PM

Onus said:
Sorry Shane, that HEC PSU is probably fecal; the little voltage switch gives it away as an old design that doesn't have full range active PFC, and it isn't 80+.
Batuchka's is good, or for the one graphics card, get a 550W Antec Truepower New (80+ bronze vs. 80+ for the Corsair) and combo it with an Antec 300 case.


+1 for you agian, but I'm going to say that I've used HEC in the past and right now with no problems ever! :D 

I really look for the continuous power and I like the switch on the back being that its a complete shut off and as for being old design everything you buy in the computer world is (old).

Thanx though for your input.

I'm not trying to argue with you or put you down in no way shape or form.
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June 18, 2010 6:41:29 PM

Now for my build for ya:

DVD Burner 20.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case and PSU 80.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU and Motherboard 280.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD 75.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory and Video Card 431.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Total for you: 886.00

Ya thats what I'm talking about!!![/quotemsg]


+ 100.00 for the OEM Win 7 x64
$986.00


lol, don't get me wrong. Really nice part selection, but you still have to have an OS to run it :) !
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June 18, 2010 8:13:36 PM

tkrl26 said:
Now for my build for ya:

DVD Burner 20.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case and PSU 80.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU and Motherboard 280.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD 75.00 Free Shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory and Video Card 431.00:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Total for you: 886.00

Ya thats what I'm talking about!!!


+ 100.00 for the OEM Win 7 x64
$986.00


lol, don't get me wrong. Really nice part selection, but you still have to have an OS to run it :) !


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+1 Sir. :) 

I never add the OS which is always my mistake, I don't want to assume if they have a OS Disc or don't want the OS I selected.
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June 18, 2010 9:34:08 PM

Try this build, its exactly at $1200, and you can get $39.00 more in savings by applying (10% off w/ promo code VGA061710, ends 6/30) to the buidl for the Graphics card, bring the total to $1162.

Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B - OEM
Item #: N82E16827118039
$19.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152181
$54.99

Sunbeam CR-CCTF92-4 92mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2
Item #: N82E16835207006
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate
$31.99


HIS H587FN1GD Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814161329
LG W2340VG-PN Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Item #: N82E16824005145
-$45.00 Instant
-$55.00 Combo
$554.98


HIS Gift - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Redemption Coupon
Item #: N82E16800997052
-$39.99 Saving
$0.00

Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ...
Item #: N82E16817371020
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811129066
-$40.00 Instant
-$20.00 Combo
$129.98


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103808
OCZ Special Ops Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK
Item #: N82E16820227558
-$30.00 Instant
-$30.00 Combo
$239.98


OCZ Diesel 4GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive Model OCZUSBDSL4G
Item #: N82E16820227331
-$15.99 Saving
$0.00


Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754
GIGABYTE GA-770TA-UD3 AM3 AMD 770 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813128419
-$5.00 Instant
-$20.00 Combo
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$169.98


Subtotal: $1,201.89
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June 20, 2010 5:37:03 AM

I appreciate all the different builds people are posting, but not to be blunt, could anyone comment on the build I posted? haha I don't know much about technical computer stuff/parts, but after doing some research, I put those parts together because of the reviews and people's recommendations.

With that said, I would like to lower the cost a bit.

Could someone also comment about:
1) The tax question I have (if it's shipped to any state but the 3 listed, there is no tax?)
2) The difference, if any, between those 2 graphic cards at the end of my original post
3) New question, how about this power supply/mobo combo as opposed to the ones I have in my original post http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Not sure if wattage is all that matters when it comes to power supply, again don't know much about this stuff, but it is higher..let me know how that combo stacks up to the original ones I have posted, because it would save a bit of money.

batuchka, what exactly did you mean by "Nah can't be my config: i never go with overpriced 8/8 CF 700 series with the Asrock 870Extreme3 in the house :p  Just stick to single GPU solutions"

You were right, it wasn't your build..but I don't know exactly what you mean by the rest of that statement(again, know nothing about computer parts)...why is the one I posted overpriced, what does 8/8 mean and single GPU solutions, meaning replace the video card to upgrade if i ever wanted to as opposed to getting a Mobo that can do crossfire or something? Sorry if I sound ignorant :) 

Thanks for the help! Again, don't want to seem pushy, I appreciate all the offers of help, but I want to try to place my order later today (Sunday), so trying to figure out some last minute changes n such.
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June 20, 2010 5:46:06 AM

I meant:

There are chipset that offer, when 2 GPUs are slotted in 2 x PCIex16 slots 8/8 CF/SLI or for premium/high end ones 16/16 CF/SLI. So $110+ for a 700 series mobo on the now dated SB750 for me is never gonna be a good idea when the similar Asrock 870Extreme3 which also offers 8/8 is going for $95? Alternatively single GPU solutions is what i suggest : yes just upgrade the GPU once future games demands more horsepower ^^ The GPU slot in a gaming rig is about the least future proof hardware anyway. Just ask those peeps dumped $800 on an 8800 Ultra back in the day who thought it was a future proof investment feel :p  You are welcomed

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June 20, 2010 5:52:59 AM

Lot of computer-talk in your response but I think I got what you're saying haha: One you linked is $15 cheaper, similar, one I linked is a bit dated now, and both will run xfire at 8/8 as opposed to 16/16 which is better, but that doesnt matter anyway because the best bet is to replace a GPU in the future, rather than xfire anyway...I think haha.

Any thoughts on the combo I linked with the Mobo you suggested along with a Power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

How's it compare to this PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 20, 2010 6:01:35 AM

If u running single GPU i would just stick to Corsair 650TX comboed with Samsung F3 1TB ^^
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June 20, 2010 6:23:22 AM

A mobo not recommended for CF and a 750Watter looks a bit off but if u feel it gives you more headroom for monster GPUs down the road it's your call ^^
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June 20, 2010 1:08:22 PM

batuchka said:
I meant:

There are chipset that offer, when 2 GPUs are slotted in 2 x PCIex16 slots 8/8 CF/SLI or for premium/high end ones 16/16 CF/SLI. So $110+ for a 700 series mobo on the now dated SB750 for me is never gonna be a good idea when the similar Asrock 870Extreme3 which also offers 8/8 is going for $95? Alternatively single GPU solutions is what i suggest : yes just upgrade the GPU once future games demands more horsepower ^^ The GPU slot in a gaming rig is about the least future proof hardware anyway. Just ask those peeps dumped $800 on an 8800 Ultra back in the day who thought it was a future proof investment feel :p  You are welcomed


You know since I've been a member your advice and information batuchka is always +1 in my book!

I think you also have this thread figured out and I hope Mushman enjoys his build once purchased and built! :) 

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June 20, 2010 1:15:42 PM

Mushman, to answer your graphics card question, which I still think has not been addressed, they appear to be identical. They differ in model number only by the last letter, and look identical in the pictures. It appears that XFX HD-587X-ZNFV (the cheaper one) has less shipping ($2.99 to $7.87) and according to Newegg's pictures ships with Aliens v. Predator (though whether that is still the case is is unclear). For all intents and purposes they are the same.

As for your mobo/psu combo you found, I like it. The two are cheaper (in the combo) than the separate parts in your original post and the Antec Truepower New PSUs are good, and efficient (80 Plus Bronze). It is also modular, which the Corsair is not, which could ease cable management in your build. That said, the Corsair is very good too. The motherboard fits with what batuchka has been saying about going with a newer northbridge and Gigabyte is excellent. Just be aware that the PCI-e x16 slots are x16 and x4, not x8/x8.
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June 20, 2010 1:24:15 PM

Yep 16/4 not recommended for CF ^^
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June 20, 2010 1:37:42 PM

The difference of those graphics cards is one is Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) edition which 1200MHz (4.8Gbps) and 2 x 6 Pin connectors with a price of $389.99.

The other card is Radeon HD 5870 4800MHz and one 6 Pin with a price of $399.99.

I would go with second choice for the fact that Effective Memory Clock is higher.

Well I hope this helps with GPU problem lol...
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June 20, 2010 1:44:41 PM

batuchka said:
A mobo not recommended for CF and a 750Watter looks a bit off but if u feel it gives you more headroom for monster GPUs down the road it's your call ^^


What do you mean? The Mobo in this combo is what you recommended in the picture below is it not? And I thought you said I'm better off not worrying about crossfire and just upgrading 1 graphics card in the future if I ever needed to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
is what you recommended in this pic isn't it? http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/batuchka/Untitl...

and what do you mean by the 750 watter looks a bit off?

And thank you for the advice Aebome, finally someone talking in layman's terms :)  haha
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June 20, 2010 1:50:07 PM

Yes that the one:

I meant that mobo will be fine for a single GPU set up but the PSU in the combo is a bit too biggish wattage wise for a non CF/SLI set up but it does have headroom perhaps for the more powerful GPUs of tommorrow
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June 20, 2010 1:54:26 PM

SHANEMARINES said:
The difference of those graphics cards is one is Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) edition which 1200MHz (4.8Gbps) and 2 x 6 Pin connectors with a price of $389.99.

The other card is Radeon HD 5870 4800MHz and one 6 Pin with a price of $399.99.

I would go with second choice for the fact that Effective Memory Clock is higher.

Well I hope this helps with GPU problem lol...


shanemarines: I think the memory clock is the same for these GPUS as 1200MHz has an effective clock of 4.8GHz, which is the same as 4800MHz. Newegg just listed them differently, but it is the same. Also, if you look at the pictures, both cards have 2 x 6-pin connectors, the specs must be wrong on the one that just lists 6-pin.
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June 20, 2010 2:04:15 PM

batuchka said:
Yes that the one:

I meant that mobo will be fine for a single GPU set up but the PSU in the combo is a bit too biggish wattage wise for a non CF/SLI set up but it does have headroom perhaps for the more powerful GPUs of tommorrow



Too big wattage wise meaning it's just not needed or could be potentially damaging because it is too high? Again I know nothing about this stuff...so the simplest terms possible for helping is always best! haha but believe me I appreciate all the help...The reason I keep asking about this is because that combo is cheaper than the original Mobo and 650 Corsair PSU I have in my original post...so if you're just saying it's not needed for a single GPU, it's still cheaper so I'd get it...but if the wattage being 750 is too high meaning it could be bad for the computer overall, than I wouldn't get it...
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June 20, 2010 2:23:59 PM

aebome said:
shanemarines: I think the memory clock is the same for these GPUS as 1200MHz has an effective clock of 4.8GHz, which is the same as 4800MHz. Newegg just listed them differently, but it is the same. Also, if you look at the pictures, both cards have 2 x 6-pin connectors, the specs must be wrong on the one that just lists 6-pin.


Possible newegg made a mistake, I've seen it happen before. I didn't even look at the pictures. :o  lol...

4.8Gbps is equal to 4800Mhz??? :sweat: 

Looking into this further.

When I find the answer I will post ASAP. :) 
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June 20, 2010 4:06:16 PM

Mushman said:
Too big wattage wise meaning it's just not needed or could be potentially damaging because it is too high?


Nah a system only draws as much power as it needs so no worries about damage ^^
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June 20, 2010 4:25:07 PM

batuchka said:
Nah a system only draws as much power as it needs so no worries about damage ^^


So do you think I should go with the combo then? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Since it is saving me money.

Or is there some reason I shouldn't go with it? Now you're also confusing me with the MoBo because it's the one you recommended but now you seem to be saying I shouldn't be going with it because it's not recommended for crossfiring O.o lol
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June 20, 2010 6:08:54 PM

falling kinda far down the list so i'm bumping it :) 

Any more advice on the combo in my comment above as opposed to what I originally posted or my full build in general?

Also, can anyone comment about the taxes question I asked?

Thanks again!
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June 20, 2010 8:55:45 PM

bumpppp again, I know its father's day so many people probably won't be on here..but want to try to get some answers for my last few questions so I can hopefully place an order today :-)
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June 21, 2010 3:40:54 AM

Mushman said:
So do you think I should go with the combo then? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Since it is saving me money.

Or is there some reason I shouldn't go with it? Now you're also confusing me with the MoBo because it's the one you recommended but now you seem to be saying I shouldn't be going with it because it's not recommended for crossfiring O.o lol


What you need to ask yourself for sure is if your going to CrossFire or SLi and if your going to this isn't the board for you because the way this board you posted works is if there is more then one graphics card in it, its going to automaticlly downclock the second card to 4x instead of keeping them at 16x.

Understand?
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June 21, 2010 3:50:03 AM

SHANEMARINES said:
What you need to ask yourself for sure is if your going to CrossFire or SLi and if your going to this isn't the board for you because the way this board you posted works is if there is more then one graphics card in it, its going to automaticlly downclock the second card to 4x instead of keeping them at 16x.

Understand?



Yeah, I understand your point. Honestly, I'm not sure if I will, I know next to nothing about this stuff other than what I've learned from reading on here for the past 2 weeks. But lets say for instance I would entertain the idea of adding another video card and crossfiring in the future..

any suggestions on a Mobo around the same price that would be crossfire ready if I chose to without going up too much in money (keep in mind the $$ I am saving with the combo deal).
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June 21, 2010 4:00:04 AM

To be honest its a nice thing to have the PCI Express 16 slots, but on another end the reason for not wanting to Crossfire / SLi is the fact that you won't see a whole lot of performance compared to just a high class or high end graphics card which will out perform two semi-decent cards and if you also think about it what happens when you have to upgrade cards is you must upgrade them both which is going to cost a lot.

As for your combo it was a PSU and MoBo Combo?

I will post one in a sec just got to take a look.
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June 21, 2010 4:09:01 AM

Yeah, that's why I'm not really sure if it's really worth it or not. If this computer can last me a good 2-3 years, I'd probably just wind up buying a whole new comp rather than trying to upgrade graphics cards and such anyway.

This is what I was going to get: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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June 21, 2010 4:18:48 AM

By the way I got those two for about the same price as your Combo you posted and one with Free Shipping as well. :) 
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