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$1115 build: e8500,x25m,GA-EP45-UD3L,hd 4890,750tx psu,4gb gskill

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August 18, 2010 11:21:05 PM

Going for a reliable, value gaming PC, so I picked older pieces with lots of newegg reviews: socket 775 motherboard/CPU + DDR2 RAM over an i5 or i7 build.
Thanks for any help. The questions are at the bottom. My main concerns are getting RAM that works without having to change any BIOS settings (“plug and play” RAM), and whether or not I should wait for out of stock pieces.
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CPU
$195 e8500 3.16ghz dual core CPU Model:BX80570E8500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I think dual over quad, because faster cores and less power/heat.
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MOTHERBOARD
$90 GA-EP45-UD3L (“OUT OF STOCK”)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$80 GA-EP43-UD3L
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I choose gigabyte over asus, because it seems more reliable and better performing. The first mobo has a p45 chipset, which is suppsedly a little better for overclocking.
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RAM
$105 g.skill 2x2gb DDR2 800 F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B, 450 newegg reviews, 5star avg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$90 g.skill 2x2gb DDR2 800 F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ, 2400 newegg reviews, 5star avg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The $105 RAM seems to be newer, has listed timings of 4-4-4-12, and has 1 reviewer saying he used it with GA-EP43-UD3L, the older P43 version of the motherboard I want.
The $90 RAM has listed timings of 5-5-5-15 and has 2 reviewers saying they used it with GA- EP45-UD3L, the motherboard I want but is out of stock.
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HARD DRIVE, PRIMARY
$220 Intel X25-M SSDSA2M080G2XX (“OUT OF STOCK”, this is item N82E16820167027)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$230 Intel X25-M SSDSA2M080G2XXX (newegg note: “Discontinued, replaced by N82E16820167027”)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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HARD DRIVE FOR STORAGE
$110 Western Digital 1.5TB Caviar Black Model:WD1501FASS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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VIDEO CARD
$190 Radeon HD 4890 Model:HD-489X-ZSFC (“OUT OF STOCK”)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
Or $200+ Radeon HD 5830?
Or $160+ Radeon HD 5770?
Toms hardware charts FPS charts show 4890 performing equally with 5830. I choose 4890 because it may be more reliable. Some bad recent reviews for the 5830s on newegg. 4890 and 5830 performed better than 5770.
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POWER SUPPLY
$110 Corsair 750W PSU Model:CMPSU-750TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I'd like the 750W over 650W just to be safe with these monster video cards that use a lot of energy.
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CPU COOLER:
$35 Xigmatek HDT-S1283 CPU fan/heatsink
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Not planning to overclock. I just want to be safe.
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CASE:
$60 Cooler Master 690 Mid Tower ATX case Model:RC-690-KKN1-GP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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OPERATING SYSTEM
XP 32 bit
or
Win 7 64 bit?

Total, with first choice for each, excluding OS price, is $1115.
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Questions:
1. A GA-EP43-UD3L motherboard reviewer said he used F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B RAM with his build(which is why I want to get that RAM). Should the RAM also work for GA-EP45-UD3L(the P45 mobo I'd rather get)? Likewise, if a reviewer says such and such ram works for GA-EP45-UD3R or GA-EP45-UD3P, should it also work for GA-EP43-UD3L and GA-EP45-UD3L?

2. Should I wait for the P45 gigabyte motherboard, the newer X25M SSD, and the HD 4890 to be in stock, or go with the alternatives? Anyone know how long it will take them to come back in stock, or know of any website that tracks newegg item availability history? And which memory and OS should I get?

3. Why did newegg stop selling GA-EP45-UR3R and GA-EP45-UD3P motherboards? Those were a couple of their most popular boards.

4. Does anyone have a link for G.skill's RAM naming scheme?

5. Will 5-5-5-15 DDR2 800 ram be faster than 6-6-6-18 DDR2 1066 RAM? Will it be faster than 6-6-6-18 DDR3 1066 RAM?

6. Does anyone know the difference between the above 2 solid state disks? And does anyone know the difference in performance/features between the older SSDSA2MH080G2C1/ SSDSA2MH080G2R5 and the newer SSDSA2M080G2GC / SSDSA2M080G2GN?

8. These HD 4XXX and 5XXX video cards say they require at least a 500W PSU. Should I go with an 850W PSU to be safe or is 750 fine? Using only 1 video card. Using 2 hard drives: 1 traditional and 1 intel SSD.

9. Why I haven't been able to find sites with graphs showing XP performing better than 7? After googling “win 7 vs xp”, the sites from the first two pages of google have graphs showing win 7 performing about equal with xp, but a good amount of commenters at the bottom say things like xp is better than 7 in every way. (e.g. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_revi... ) If that's true, how come I didn't find any sites with graphs showing XP performing significantly better?

10. It seems like newegg offers weekly discounts and combo deals on their items that don't sell so well. Would it not make them more money to offer deals on items that do sell well?

11. How high could this build be overclocked? What about with 1066 RAM? And with what FSB speeds? Or is it better to keep the RAM timings low?
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August 18, 2010 11:38:43 PM

Why don't you look into i3 (LGA1156)?

The C2Ds are overpriced nowadays for a new build. An i3 is faster per clock, has hyper threading, and can overclock as high as 4.6 stable on air!

For a PSU go with a quality 450-650w.

DDR2 and DDR3 RAM at the same clocks should perform similar. RAM speed doesn't do much for real world performance either way.
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August 18, 2010 11:38:52 PM

I think I'm a little confused why you're adding a SSD to a "value" gaming PC.

IMO that money would be better spent on a better CPU (i5-760), matching P55 motherboard and DDR3, plus a HD 5850 video card.
You get just a very small performance boost from a SSD compared to a quad core CPU and better video card
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August 18, 2010 11:46:04 PM

If you are skipping on an i5/i7 (or AM3 for that matter) setup just because you are not sure on their reliability, you are doing a major mistake.. Those chips are extremely reliable and are major improvements over the old LGA 775 chips.. For a new build its not all recommended to go the LGA 775 route.. If this is a purely gaming rig, i'd recommend the following replacements -
CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 955

Motherboard - MSI 870A

RAM - G-Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) CAS 7 DDR3 1600MHz

To answer few of your other questions -
1. A 750W (considering good brands) is enough to power the highest end video card available currently.. So for a single video card setup, its ample power..

2. Your build is powerful enough to handle windows 7.. And its overwhelmingly recommended over windows XP as it is more faster, neater and more secure..
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August 19, 2010 12:41:43 AM

1. The memory should work with the P45 based mobo if it works with the P43 mobo. The P43 is a little bit lower end so anything that works with it will work with the P45 mobo.

2. The P45 will be better for overclocking and performance in the end. But the real question is do you want to wait?

3. Supply. Those chipsets are near their EOL so they will become less populated wheil P55/H55/X58 will take their places.

4. http://www.gskill.com/products.php?c1=1&c2=2&c3=4

5. Timings might make a difference but I have yet to see any DDR2 1066 with 6-6-6-18 unless its older cheap RAM. I have 4GB of Corsair XMS2 PC2 8500 DDR2 1066 thats supposed to run at 5-5-5-18 but is running at 4-4-4-12 and is clocked to DDR2 1333.

6. The newer SSDs will have a bit better performance.

7. Ya skipped one :p 

8. 750W would be fine, a 850W will be more efficient.

9. The people who comment that XP is better are just stubborn. If you go with 7 64, you can allocate more memory, it has better driver support than XP 64 and you wont notice any performance difference. Actually scratch that, you will notice that 7 will perform better in multithreaded apps since it can handle multi core CPUs better than XP.

10. Newegg offers combos on everything. It just depends on what they get from ther distributors. I got a client a P55 mobo and a Core i7 875K for $450 when it would normally be $500+

11. The E8500 could hit well over 4GHz on air with decent cooling. When it comes to ovberclocking a locked CPU, its better to have higher rated memory since it will be stable at higher speeds than one with lower timings.

For the GPU, the HD5K series will have the DX11 advantage. For the OS, go with Windows 7. Don't listen to the nay sayers. I have had 7 64 since release and love it. Hell I am using 7 64 in my work bench.
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a c 83 à CPUs
August 19, 2010 1:05:53 AM

There are plenty of cheaper processors that crush that E8500, but if you'd rather replace your cpu/board/memory in a year or 2, go for it.
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