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June 20, 2010 5:20:56 PM

1 COOLER MASTER HAF 932
$139.98

1 Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
$289.99

1 SAMSUNG P2450H Rose Black 24 SAMSUNG P2450H Rose Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
$249.99

1 SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA
$79.99

1 CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series CWCH50-1 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler - Retail
$79.99

1 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model F3-16000CL9T-6GBRH
$194.99

2 XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$799.98

1 Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B
$24.99

1 ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$209.99

1 CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
$189.99



Please give advice.

Do I need to buy more fans, or does the 932 come with them? I am also considering downsizing to the 922.

Also, I was considering a bigger PSU due to the CF 5870's and the fact that I intend to overclock the hell out of the 930. Hopefully I get D0 stepping...

Monitor may change... but I hear the Samsung makes good stuff.

I am open to suggestions on anything. I want this computer to last me as long as possible, but don't want to spend more than around $2500. It's at about $2200 right now, and I still have to buy the OS, mouse, and keyboard.

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June 20, 2010 6:12:18 PM

First of all, drop the i7 930 and get an i5 750 or X3440 if you really want hyperthreading, not sure why you would. You can get much cheaper P55 motherboards that perform just as well, and the RAM tends to be cheaper too. All this for the same performance, because there is no noticeable performance difference between these solutions. Both processors will clock to 4 GHz easy, mine hits 3.7 GHz at stock voltage.

i5 750/X3440:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you need USB 3.0:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The Corsair H50 performs like a good air cooler, but some air coolers outperform it. If you don't mind that and want the water cooling for size and sound benefits, then you can't go wrong. If you want extreme performance:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With the money you've saved you should be able to afford two of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Two of those will be a LOT faster than two 5870s.

You will need a good PSU though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/pr...

It is not as big as the Samsung, but it uses an IPS panel which looks a LOT better than a TN panel, its like night and day.

Hope that helps, I'll answer questions later tonight if you have any.
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June 20, 2010 6:15:12 PM

Where are you buying from??

Couple of recommendations:
1) I would look at the G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1600 Cas7 RAM since it has better timings for similar pricing.

2) I would go with an Air Cooler over the H50 for equal or better performance. For Example, the CoGaGe Arrow is cheaper and performs better than the H50. Look at the Thermalright Venomous X as another great alternative.

3) I would go with a single 5970 over two 5870's, so you can give yourself an upgrade path. Typically, it is not recommended to start off with a dual card setup to limit your upgrade path.

4) You don't need additional fans with the HAF 932 & the Corsair 850HX is strong enough for any of the graphic card setups!
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June 20, 2010 6:51:23 PM

If I go i5 I lose triple channel memory support and will have to go down to 4GB of DDR2 as opposed to 6GB of DDR3. Isn't the latter better for future proofing? Also, I've seen some benchmarks showing that with a full load (Win7 + apps in background + gaming) that 6GB makes a big difference.

As for the GTX480, I'm open to whatever, but isn't the general consensus that ATI is the best thing going this gen?

With regards to the monitor: that Dell IPS you linked only has an 8MS response time vs the 2MS response time of the ASUS. Isn't response time greater than, say, 3MS a no-no for gaming?
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June 20, 2010 7:08:07 PM

yes tripple channel is faster but it needs the expensive x58 chipset. i5 also uses ddr3.

Neh there is heavy competition. If you want a lower end card ati is the unbeaten champion. But the 470 and 480 are pretty darn good. Both campany's have disadvantages and advantages. It just depends on which suits you best. If you think green then think ati if you think power and features think nvidia.

I'm not very experienced with monitors but I think dell doesn't use TN panels(which are horrible according to those color freaks) and most other monitors do. And the TN panels have slower response times. I don't think you should notice a real difference between 8ms and 2.
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June 20, 2010 10:30:36 PM

Alright.

First of all, you will almost never use more than 4GB now, unless you are a proffessional. However, you can get 2 sets for 8GB if you are worried about future proofing. However, I would just wait, since by the time you need it current DDR3 RAM will be much cheaper. That is up to you though, I can't fault you either way.

No triple channel is not faster in real life. It is only beneficial with a very VERY limited number of professional applications, which you don't do or you would know this already. In theory it is faster, but it makes no difference now and likely won't for a long time or until there is a drastic change in how memory is used, by that time it will be completely obsolete anyway.

A single GTX 480 is 20% faster than a 5870 in today's games, and is another 15-20% faster on top of that in games with heavy tessellation, like future games. Add in that SLI scales better than crossfire for dual card solutions, about 80-90% scaling forSLI and about 70% scaling for crossfire, and your looking at a lot of extra performance. These cards do consume a lot of power, but good PSUs are cheap anymore.

TN panels are faster than IPS panels with GTG response, or gray to gray. This tells you nothing. It is the OTF, on to off, CTC, color to color, BTB, black to black, BTW, black to white, and WTW, white to white speeds that matter, and these aren't written down much because they are always large numbers, a CTC speed of 12ms is fast.
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June 21, 2010 11:02:46 AM

I'm sorry if I sounded like I meant tripple channel actualy makes a difference. I just said it was faster but as you said doesn't make any real world differences.
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June 21, 2010 3:57:52 PM

Ah alright, I see what you meant now. :D 
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