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June 21, 2010 2:01:44 PM

Hello I had some help earlier with suggestions of putting together a computer and am about to order it I would like a final look over with any suggestions:

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - 159.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - 239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 015-P3-1482-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - 532.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - 279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601960 - 569.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - 389.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7T-6GBPI - 179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - 79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON DVD Writer - Bulk - Black SATA Model iHAS224-06 LightScribe Support - OEM -23.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM - 99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM - 9.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler - 59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BYTECC Bracket-35225 2.5 Inch HDD/SSD Mounting Kit For 3.5" Drive Bay or Enclosure - 5.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total(with rebates) 2,543.87

How does this look? I was thinking about upgrading the case to this:

COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case - 199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It looks like if I got the above case I would not need the 3.5 to 2.5 mounting bad for the SSD correct? Should I upgrade to this case you think? Any other changes are also welcomed

Thanks for viewing.

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June 21, 2010 2:07:03 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... a better 480.

The hyper 212+ is a cheap cooler hardly something for a build like this. Take a look at a d14, cocage arrow, prlimatech or even watercooling.

I don't like any of the haf cases but they are good quality if you like them.

The 960 is a really overpriced cpu go with a 930 orso.
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June 21, 2010 2:16:36 PM

I'll change the 212+ to the below

Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler - 69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you think the above would fit and perform better in the HAF case.

I think I'm going to keep the 960 as I don't plan to overclock (I'm not a fan of overclocking to paranoid)

As for the better 480 why is this a better 480 compared to the EVGA one? I also noticed that this 480 is currently out of stock.

Any opinions on the HAF-X compared to the HAF932? Would I need a mounting bracket in the HAF-X? It looks like I wouldn't.
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June 21, 2010 2:24:35 PM

Good choice of cooler you need to buy additional fans for it thoug maybe a scythe 1600.

And the 960 is a really bad buy it's bassically a 930 with a higher frequency. Even if you don't OC it's almost the same performance at nearly half the price.

The 480 I linked has a higher frequency so it performs better. It's also quieter, cooler and cheaper. If it remains out of stock however the evga isn't a bad choice.

The haf x is simply a slightly better case than the 932 it has better cooling and more features. And no I don't think you need a mounting bracket.
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June 21, 2010 2:25:30 PM

Good choice of cooler you need to buy additional fans for it thoug maybe a scythe 1600.

And the 960 is a really bad buy it's bassically a 930 with a higher frequency. Even if you don't OC it's almost the same performance at nearly half the price.

The 480 I linked has a higher frequency so it performs better. It's also quieter, cooler and cheaper. If it remains out of stock however the evga isn't a bad choice.

The haf x is simply a slightly better case than the 932 it has better cooling and more features. And no I don't think you need a mounting bracket.
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June 21, 2010 2:45:16 PM

Ok so would these be good for the heatsink?

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan - 19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm guessing I should get two of these or would one be enough?

As for the 930 to the 960 its a 2.8 compared to a 3.2 which I think is enough to warrant the price eventually the power difference will become more noticeable in the future.

With the fans on this heatsink they should just clip on to the sides of it correct?
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June 21, 2010 2:55:54 PM

yup those fans look good. Actually if you don't OC none would do lol. I'd take one since I don't know if there are enough mounting wires with the prolimatech to mount 2.

both the 930 and 960 will be bottlenecked by your GPU in games and by other things in other apps. And if you really want cpu performance OC the 930 to 3.2 as it's bassically the same chip and the prolimatech does a much better job at keeping it cool than the stock cooler on a 960 would. Also your system will crash before you can do any permanent damage. And if you don't want to OC and don't want the 930
then the 980 is still much much much better at a price though.

But then again I think you've already made up your mind :p .
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June 21, 2010 2:56:27 PM

and yeah the fans just clip on the side
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June 21, 2010 3:10:55 PM

So you think the 930 would be a better choice to save some money. When you say its going to be bottle-necked by the GPU is it still going to apply if later on down the road I add another 480 or say two more 480s to make a total of 3 cards running with the 930?

If the 930 is going to be ample enough to run games on high with 2-3 cards down the road I will switch to it. As for the 980 its a bit pricey and I don't think 6 cores will be a benefit to gaming at all anytime soon (Seems almost everything is only using 2 cores still)

It looks like it can take two fans from the reviews I read on newegg I'm worried that this will take up to much room and not allow room for the fan or ram if I put two on the heat-sink. What do you think one fan would be enough? I'm worried that this will not fit in the HAF-X box since it also has a side fan. If thats the case is there any other heatsink fan combo you can recommend that wouldn't take up as much space? I know it will fit in the HAF932 from what I read but cant find anything if it will fit in the HAF-X

I'll switch it to the 930 if you think it would be a better choice and I think I'll switch the case to the HAF-X and remove the mounting bracket since you said I shouldn't need it for one SSD in this case correct?

I could use the extra money to get another 480 or just save it. Opinions on that?
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June 21, 2010 3:36:07 PM

And yeah I'm recommending the 930 solely to save money.

Depending on the game a 930 should suffice for at least 2 480's and in most games three aswell.

The haf x to my knowledge is just like the 932 exept the side fan. And that shouldn't make a difference in wether the cooler will fit or not. Also the prolimatech is pretty standard size I'm really pretty sure it fits. Likewise for the SSD

And you could also just save the money lol. Since if you're running on one screen I'd just leave it at one. If you want 3d or 3screens it might be worth getting a second one but if you have a single 1080p monitor a second one is pretty unneccesary at this point.

You could maybe get a nice gaming keyboard and mouse if you don't already have that. Or good speakers if you don't have it.

Also that mobo isn't really fantastic. It will do but if you want 3way sli then I think you'd better get maybe a ga x58a ud7/ud5 or an asus p6x58d premium.
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June 21, 2010 3:48:01 PM

The only difference I see between the motherboard I have and the asus p6x58d premium is a second lan slot. Am I missing something else otherwise it looks like they have the same number of ports. Am I missing something I don't really see the need to pay 100 dollars more just for an extra lan slot.

If you can suggest other reasons to get the upgraded motherboard I might look into it not sure if I'll ever get up to 3 way SLI before I just upgrade again but I might so I would like to hear why you think the premium is a better choice for the SLI.

Thanks
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June 21, 2010 3:59:20 PM

the e has basic heatsinks while the premium heatsinks can dissipate far more heat. Other than that there is no major difference although I think the premium will perform slightly(very marginally) better.

Just the heat dissipation sets them apart really.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... also a very good mobo I own(and am very content with it) one and it's only 260 after rebate. This one has many LED's indicating high temps or voltages. It also has a debug screen incase you run into no post issues. The cooling on it is also far better than on the p6x58d-e.
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June 21, 2010 4:00:29 PM

3-way sli generates intense heat that's why I reccomend mobo's with decent heatsinks to avoid running into problems.
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June 21, 2010 4:01:46 PM

zorian said:
Hello I had some help earlier with suggestions of putting together a computer and am about to order it I would like a final look over with any suggestions:

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - 159.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - 239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 015-P3-1482-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - 532.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - 279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601960 - 569.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - 389.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7T-6GBPI - 179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - 79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON DVD Writer - Bulk - Black SATA Model iHAS224-06 LightScribe Support - OEM -23.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM - 99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM - 9.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler - 59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BYTECC Bracket-35225 2.5 Inch HDD/SSD Mounting Kit For 3.5" Drive Bay or Enclosure - 5.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total(with rebates) 2,543.87

How does this look? I was thinking about upgrading the case to this:

COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case - 199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It looks like if I got the above case I would not need the 3.5 to 2.5 mounting bad for the SSD correct? Should I upgrade to this case you think? Any other changes are also welcomed

Thanks for viewing.



1) The Gigabyte X58A-UD3R is pretty much the same board as the ASUS you have in the OP, but costs $30 less.

2) DO NOT BUY A 960 FOR GAMING PURPOSES. It is literally the same exact chip as the 930, just overclocked at the factory (with a waranty). If you plan on overclocking, buy the 930 (I'm assuming you are because you're buying a HSF). You can get to 3.2 on a stock heatsink.

3) If your case choice is a personal preference- go for it. If you are just looking for a good case with good cooling, go with the HAF 922. It's the same size as many larger cases (and will fit all of your equipment), and is pretty cheap.

4) You don't need a 1000W power suply unless you plan on buying more 480's in the future. If you are sticking with just one 480, you can downgrade to a 750W

5) Based on your other comments, I would still suggest going for the Coolermaster Hyper 212. You can get a good overclock (sub 4.0) with the 212, and it is only $30. The Megahelms (and similar HSFs) are for more intense overclocks (4.0+). Note that you will not likely be reaching 100% load while only playing games.

6) If you are only gaming, an SSD won't help much (miniscule effect on fps). It will decrease load times a bit, but it will only save a matter of a minute or two while playing online games. I would suggest going a boot drive at this price range, but at the rate that SSDs are advancing, I would even suggest waiting until a later time until their price continues to drop. If this convenience factor is worth the $400, go for it. If not, you can stick with the spinpoint and you won't notice much of a difference in gaming.
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June 21, 2010 4:06:29 PM

SSD's give an insane improvement to average computer usage. Everyone is so hyped about fps. Seriously anyone who games uses his pc for lots of other stuff aswell(I assume so anyways) and the ssd gives huge improvements to that.
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June 21, 2010 4:16:01 PM

I'll go ahead and upgrade the board to the :

ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It seems to have very good marks on NewEgg in terms of review and should have the quality heat sinks.

I'm not a big fan of overclocking I don't like messing with the CPU when I know I could mess it up very easily and I don't have any experience with overclocking hence while I'm going with the I7-960. Its already done and has the warranty.

I'm just buying the HSF to keep things cool I'm guessing the 960 is more then enough to handle any games without being overclocked so I would think it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm not sure what HSF to get now as I've heard both sides of the coin. If I plan on getting the 960 and not overclocking which HSF would be a good choice?

The SSD is for load times on windows too. But since this is a higher end gaming box I'd like it for the speed of loading and if it has a small effect on the FPS that's even better. I noticed even when I had a velociraptor harddrive the speed of loading things in was much quicker back when I was playing WoW. So I would like to keep it and I'm sure it will become more useful as time goes on.

The 1000w supply is for when I do upgrade down the road my latest computer doesn't have PCI Express 2.0 so I was only able to upgrade the video so far which is another reason I'm making a new computer. Hopefully this one will last longer and let me change out more parts. So in the future I could add another 480 or two if needed.
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June 21, 2010 4:21:03 PM

if you don't OC I'd reccomend an h50 as it may not perform amazingly but it gives your system a clean look, it saves space and is pretty quiet(with the right fans).

I prefer the ga x58a ud5 to the premium as it simply has more features larger radiators. I don't see it being worse in any way and it isn't that expensive either. But they are both good mobos. The newegg reviews shouldn't be trusted too much.
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June 21, 2010 4:26:20 PM

My only consern on that board from reading some reviews is that some of the slots are hard to get to such as the IDE slots and that you may have trouble putting a 3rd video card in. You have this board so I guess I'd like to ask your thoughts on it. So you think I should change the HSF to an h50 for the i7-960?

Also, case wise I'm not sure which one to pick out of the HAF922, HAF 932, HAF-X they all look like good cases.
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June 21, 2010 4:26:55 PM

If money is no object to you, then go ahead and get the parts you mention above.

Otherwise, you really do not need that board. The X58A-UD3R will be the exact same performance for your uses, nealry $100 less expensive. The board you have selected in the post above is geared towards people doing high overclocks and other tweaking.

Overclocking is not at all hard (for easy overclocks). You can literally get your i7-930 to the same clock as the 960 (3.2) in about 2 minutes on a stock heatsink. You could probably even get to 3.2 on stock voltages. There are guides all over that show you how to do it, we could even walk you through it step by step.

You do not need a HSF if you are not overclocking. The stock heatsinks that come with each respective processor are designed for optimal use at the stock clock speeds.

I agree, SSDs are amazing. I wish I would have waited in buying my SSD, as two weeks after I bought mine they released a new line at competative prices. If you are getting an SSD, stick with the one you have listed.


With the money saved by my suggestions, you could get a second 480 and blow away every game out right now, and remain in the high end category for a solid year or two.
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June 21, 2010 5:10:39 PM

So you recommend the X58A-UD3R and the 930 with overclocking then. If I do this what HSF should I get for the cooling? Also from what the other poster said the GA-X58A-UD5 has better heatsinks for cooling especially if 2 or more cards are used. Do you think I should get this board if I want to get two cards and go with the I7-930?

Also would all this fit in a HAF922 still? Or would it still be better to get the HAF932 or HAF-X. I know I'll need a mounting bracket for the SSD for the first two which is no big deal. Dust filters are on the HAF-X dont think there are any on the 932. Not sure about the 922.
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June 21, 2010 5:24:08 PM

I am still sticking with the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ for the type of overclock that you are going to do. You really do not need anything more- especially if you are only taking it around 3.2 (to match the 960's performance).

The heatsinks that the UD5 offers are designed to help advanced tweaking and overclocking, which you won't be doing. The heatsinks could theoretically help cool the board a bit more, but they are really designed for overclocking/tweaking. Someone can advise on whether or not the board will provide any cooling boost over the ud3r.

All of that would fit in the 922. Dust filters are overrated- just take an air can to your machine every (4-6) months. Your system will always accumulate dust (with filters or not) unless you have an airtight case.
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June 21, 2010 5:30:55 PM

So you see no reason to use the HAF-X or HAF-932? I was thinking the HAF-X for the dust filters + the 2.5 drive support that comes with it but if you think the HAF-922 is a better choice for this I"ll switch it.

I'm still not sure about the overclocking after looking around a little bit I'm not sure I want to get into it as it seems more confusing then anything with tweaking voltages and running tons of test. I think it be worth it to just spend the extra money and get the 960 or just get the 930 and not overclock it not sure how much benefit the 960 will give me gaming. I really don't want to overclock but I want a strong system and a cool (as in running cool) system. Which is why I wanted to get the 960 and avoid the hassle of overclocking.

So you suggest the UD2 over the ASUS P6X58D-E in terms if I'm going to get the 960 and not overclock? I still want to get a HSF so the CPU runs cool so I'll probably stay with the Hyper212+ just so it runs cool even in hot weather.
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June 21, 2010 5:42:02 PM

143miah states a good point. Not only is the antec 1200 a very good case like the 932, better than the 922 and slightly worse than the 942(haf x). The psu is also very high quality.

Omniblivion the OP is worried about overclocking because the risks that come with it. The better cooling you have the smaller these risks are and the longer your components will last. The h50 and ud5 may be slightly overkill but they are far more reliable if you want to minimize risks of breaking things(which I think is your main concern when you say you don't want to OC).

The ud3 and hyper 212 will suffice but they pose greater(still small) than the ud5 and h50 of breaking or shortening lifespan of components.

BTW: The corsair h50 performs quite q bit better thqn the hyper 212+ in case I confused you.
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June 21, 2010 5:43:04 PM

the hyper 212+ is a 30dollar heatsink btw I don't know why newegg suddenly raised the price so drastically.
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June 21, 2010 6:01:09 PM

True but the HAF-X is a screw-less (for the most part and design with a lot of cable management) to keep it nice and neat inside so I'd like to stay with those cases not to mention everyone seems to recommend them greatly. The Antec combo only looks like another decent choice but I'm not sure I want to do that since I've seen so many ranting and raving about the HAF cases.

As for overclocking I'm still not sure I could just get the Hyper 212+ and the 960 with the case and be ok with gaming. I guess the bigger question is how much benefit will I get from gaming with going with the 960/overclocked 930. It seems like the extra money for the 960 is a safer bet then trying to overclock when I know nothing about it. I'm really not sure if I want to as I read more into it you need to tweak multiple things watch temperatures voltages it seems like a giant hassle running all these test programs followed by more tweaking.

So if I went with the Hyper 212 and the i7-960 which motherboard and case would you recommend out of all of them? For the build?

Also isn't the H50 water cooling meaning you would need to refill it and such or am I mistaken?
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June 21, 2010 6:17:28 PM

The h50 is a closed system so no refill neccesary it's just like an air cooler exept it isn't :p .

I would still reccomend the ud5 due to the alarms and debug led. Especially it only costs 260.

In gaming there will be absolutely no difference between the 930 and 960.

Bassically for OC you need to do the following things:

increase the multiplier or bclk to get to the desired frequency. Run a test proggram(like prime95) to see if it crashes or it reaches high temps. If it doesn't your good to go if it does up the voltage(I've run my 930 at 3.6 on stock voltage so that won't be neccesary).

So bassically just change the frequency check if it's stable and under 80degrees. If you can't get it stable and completely mess up everything press the button(clr CMOS) on the back of the mobo and just forget about OCing as a 930 is already very fast at stock.
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June 21, 2010 6:23:59 PM

Alright I'll get the 930 instead should I go with the H50 then or the Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler with the Scythe fan?

So you suggest getting the UD5 too and the case I'm guessing doesn't matter as much and I should stick with the HAF-X which will fit the Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler/H50?

So UD5 or ASUS P6X58D is the real question on the motherboard both look close to the same but which one has better slot placement?

Which one would keep the CPU cooler out of the two or be a better choice in this matter?
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June 21, 2010 6:32:25 PM

I would go for the antec 1200 combo since it's cheap. And I love the antec 1200 I think it would be very good for the h50 because it has 2 rear exhaust fans thus the h50 doesn't block all rear exhaust fans. Also as I've mentioned before I don't like the haf series due to the industrial look and red LEDs. the antec psu is also very good.

I'd go for the h50 because it's more space efficient and looks cleaner. Also with 2 quality fans it will perform on par with the prolimatech two high quality fans.

for me the 1200 is a no-brainer you might think differently though.

all of the listed components should fit in all the listed cases.
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June 21, 2010 6:41:43 PM

So between the ASUS P6X58D and UD5 which do you think is better or are they both pretty much the same? I'm worried about fitting in the CPU HSF Ram and 2 480s if I get the UD5 since people are saying there is fitting issues.

My other worry is there was one review where the user was saying that the UD5 didn't read the G Skill PI Series of 6GBs of ram which I have selected. Do you think this will be a problem?

The Antec combo I could get since its cheaper but doesn't it remove a lot of the features like cable management, dust filters 2.5 mounting bay and such? I'm not sure can anyone else verify the quality of the Antec 1200 case and power supply?

Also with the H50 do I still need additional fans for it to hook up with like I do for the other HSF?

If I get the Antec combo and the H50 do I need to purchase additional fans at all?
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June 21, 2010 6:52:18 PM

CASE- It's up to you, really. The 922 is everything you'd need in a case. If you want to pay for the extra convenience stuff, go for it. Is it really worth the extra ($40?) to get a screwless drive bay and one extra fan? I don't think so, but that's just me.

HSF- If you are running stock on either the 930 or 960, you do not need a HSF. If you absolutely wanted to get one, you only need something like the hyper 212+ at most. Anything over this is complete overkill and you won't get any extra performance/lifetime/etc out of it.

CPU- You /will/ notice a difference in gaming between the stock 930 and stock 960. Many games out today are CPU bottlenecked, and you will see an fps difference based on your CPU. As mentioned before, I do not recommend getting the 960 for a home gaming computer. The only instance I would suggest going the 960 would be for a work productivity PC, where the CPU has a waranty at that level.


Quick preview of overclocking:

1) Build your computer
2) Turn it on, install windows, boot to desktop
3) Install/update drivers for your computer. Restart the computer.
4) Install your favorite game and play it for 2 hours.
5) =========At this point, if the computer is running and stable, then this is where you begin overclocking==========

You do not ever want to overclock an unstable computer. The 2 hour gaming test is enough to be sure that the computer is running well and that your system is running cohesively. If you run into any problems before this point then come to the forums for more troubleshooting.

6) Download and install Prime95 and RealTemp (or whichever true core temperature reader you prefer).
7) Restart your computer. Hit the appropriate key to enter BIOS (probably DEL)
8) Choose the appropriate menu option where BLK is listed (for motherboard specific location, ask us. It should be one of the top two options).
9) Increase the BLK value by 10. To do this, you may need to select the option that says "allow advanced edits" or something similar.
The way the processor speed is determined is by the multiplier (which should be 21x) times the BLK speed. Effectively, raising the BLK by 10 increases the speed of the processor by 210 MHz (2.8-> 3.01). You would be safe by increasing more than 10, but we are taking a very safe approach at stock voltages.

10)Save and exit
11) The computer should boot Windows. Assuming it does, run RealTemp, then start a Prime95 Blend test for an hour. If the computer remains stable and temperatures are reasonable (at this point, they shouldn't break 70. If they do (75 or higher), then check to be sure you installed your HSF properly), then you have successfully overclocked the machine!
12) Repeat once more and you are at the 960 levels.

If you continue to increase the BLK, the processor will eventually cause a blue screen- this is not bad, it just means that it needs more voltage. I do not think you will get to this point, but if you decide you want to (it is pretty easy), then feel free to ask for more advice.

If your PC does not reboot successfully after the 10 BLK increase, go back into BIOS, knock it down to the stock value, and save and exit. Ask us for steps from there.

You shouldn't encounter any problems doing a 20BLK step up at stock voltages. On the .1% chance that you do, we are here to help. You won't do any damage to your components by increasing your BLK by 20, even if it blue screens.
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June 21, 2010 6:54:54 PM

Also- I am running the X58A-UD3R with a monster 5970 (the card is 12" long!!!!!). I have plenty of room and also room to add another card. I have the Hyper 212+ with a stable overclock of ~3.8 on my i7-930 at mid 70's at 100% load for 2 hours.
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June 21, 2010 6:59:55 PM

http://hi-techreviews.com/review-links-mainmenu-80/9477...

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/777/1/

there are many more reviews let me tell you the 1200 really is a good case. Maybe not as good as the haf x but for that much less it's a much better buy.

as for the cp 1000 it's a very good psu not the best but very god nonetheless

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=828&type=expert&pi...

I have the ud5 with the largest hsf(nh-d14) on the market and a 470 gtx and there are no issues with me. I can't see issues when I add more cards and the 470 is the same height as the 480.

The problem I see is that when you put in you third 480 your IDE will not be usable(not I problem IMO) and your usb cables wil be squashed no biggie to me though.

So in conclusion the ga-x58a-ud5 is a far better board with some issues where the premium has less issues but isn't as good(in terms of features and cooling)

chose the one which suits you best.

You'll get all the fans you need included with the case and h50. You can replace them with better ones if you feel the need but that is definately no must.

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June 21, 2010 7:04:08 PM

also the h50 is overkill but provides lower temps so longer lifespan(proven through testing and accepted by all experts).

Also most games aren't bottlenecked by a cpu. Definately not one like a 930. Maybe some very rare games like GTAIV and FSX. But really the 930 has power to spare.
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June 21, 2010 7:07:44 PM

Using an h50 is rediculous on this setup. Even if it were to extend the lifetime of the chip, you would never even approach the breaking point (20+ years) without upgrading out of necessity first.

Recommending an h50 on this setup is like recommending buying a 2nd and 3rd air conditioning unit at your house. Unless you live in a humid desert, you just don't need it.
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June 21, 2010 7:11:41 PM

So which HSF should I get if I plan on clocking it to say 3.5 which is above the 960 and should give me good gaming performance or higher? I would probably want to run between 3.5-3.9 if possible since its free power in a sense.

The H50, Hyper 212+ or the Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler (Does the H50 require additional fans? its 80 dollars alone)

I'm still up in the air on the motherboard. I think I might get the UD5 since its cheaper if it has no big differences compared to the ASUS 300 dollar one. Unless someone points them out.

I'm worried with the Prolimatech Cooler and the UD5 board that I wont be able to use the first ram slot if I have a fan attached to the heatsink. THe price of the Prolimatech cooler plus a fan is about the same price as an H50 so if all you need is case fans and the H50 it might be better to get that since its around the same price unless I should get the Hyper 212+

I might get two 480s since switching to the 930 and just OC it.

You got me on the Fence with what case to get now since the one has the combo and is cheaper. I do really like the space and design of the HAF series thought too.


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June 21, 2010 7:14:04 PM

the h50 maybe overkill but it's still far more space effecient and quieter.
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June 21, 2010 7:23:32 PM

the h50 also improves airflow to the GPU's due to the large heatsink being taken away.
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June 21, 2010 7:26:06 PM

Well right now I got the H50 selected unless the Hyper 221 would do cooling to get the 930 to 3.6-3.8 or so with cool temps but the H50 isn't that much it looks like compared to some of the alternatives. How is the installation of this looks a bit tricky/confusing?

I guess I'll stick with the UD5 unless someone can tell me otherwise as I'll be ok with that board it seems.

The case is the biggest part I'm conflicted on now HAF-X HAF-932, HAF-922 or the Antec combo. The Antec combo would save me money but it seems like the HAF-X is going to keep the box really cool and have tons or room and a motherboard back plate and other nice features like wheels. Any opinion on these?

Thanks for debating this out with me today I'm really trying to make a quality computer that will last years and be able to play a large amount of games at high settings.

Also the EVGA card I listed for the GPU is probably what I'm going to get since the other card suggested is out of stock. I might get two of them? Any other choices you think I should switch it to or is this a good choice for the 480?
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June 21, 2010 7:40:49 PM

I thought about it a bit more I'm going to stay with the HAF-X and the UD5 should be a safe bet with the H50.

Is the H50 install pretty easy? It looks like it could be a pain. Also as I stated above

"Also the EVGA card I listed for the GPU is probably what I'm going to get since the other card suggested is out of stock. I might get two of them? Any other choices you think I should switch it to or is this a good choice for the 480?"

That Zotec card just came in stock so I might order now. Do you think this setup will be ok?

HAF-X
H50 - This good for overclocking the 930 to 3.6 - 3.9 ghz? Do I need another 120mm fan for the other side of the heatsink?
2x Zotec cards
and the UD5 board?

1000 watt power supply enough for two 480s? With the rest of the stuff?

Thanks for the quick reply

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June 21, 2010 8:22:04 PM

http://www.hardwareguru.com/article/corsair-h50-cpu-coo... the installation seems realtively easy. And let me tell you the stock cooler is the worst to install by far.


I still would get the antec simply because I prefer the looks. Also it has ervy good airflow maybe even better than the haf. The psu is kind of mediocre though.

if you go with haf x 1000hx take a look at this http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-Corsair-1000W/dp... it isn't superclocked but you can do that yourself and it's only a 5percent orso OC anyways.

I'm sorry I mentioned the zotac amp 480 earlier it's actually not feasable in your situation as the card is so big you can't go sli.

in your situation I'd say go with this http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=015-P3-148... if you can

or the amazon combo

good choice and 1000w is more than enough to power that system

hope you enjoy :D 
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June 21, 2010 8:31:29 PM

Why cant I use the Zotac AMP 480? It says its SLI ready. I don't see the reason I cant use two of them??

Finally do I need an extra fan for the H50? If its a hassle I'll just get the other heatsink with a Scythe fan
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June 21, 2010 8:35:40 PM

from the picture you can see that the fan sticks out significantly more than 1cm at least. And there isn't that much space between the GPU slots. I suppose you could do one on the bottom slot and one on the top but that will reduce performance as the bottom slot doesn't have 16 lanes. And it also eliminates 3-way.
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June 21, 2010 8:36:39 PM

just get the h50 it comes with a fan. If temps are too high(if you don't OC not really possible) then you can buy more better ones.
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June 21, 2010 8:37:01 PM

If you are going upwards of 3.5-3.9, I would personally go with the Megahelms. I'm not a fan of water cooling (unless on extremely high end machines), because air performs nearly identical to the H50. There are lower risks with air coolers, especially if you've never installed a water system before.

With the Megahelms, you have to buy the Heatsink and (at least) one fan separately.

I'm running the Hyper 212+ with an extra 120mm fan (total cost ~$36 before tax), and my 930 is at 3.8 stable. I could tweak it a bit more to get upwards of 4.0 stable OC, but at this point I won't notice any further increase in gaming.

Considering this is your first overclock, I'd suggest starting with a 3.2 overclock, and test it for a few days at that speed. If you find you want more power out of it, then come to the forums for more advice on overclocking it further. Be aware that overclocks over 3.2 will most likely require you to adjust voltage, which is where the majority of risk and complication comes in with overclocking.
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June 21, 2010 8:39:19 PM

the megahelems and h50 with the same fans will perform similarly but the h50 takes less space(which looks good IMO) that's why I like it. If you don't care about space the prolimatech is a great option.
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June 21, 2010 8:47:16 PM

I'm gonna go with the megahelems since its easier to setup with two scythe fans for this. For the SLI 2 way cards are these fine?

EVGA 015-P3-1482-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There isn't a GTX485 or something coming out soon I should wait for is there?

If these will work I'm set and will order this tonight.

Thanks
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June 21, 2010 9:12:09 PM

Have you thought about going a 5970? A 5970 is currently slightly better than a 480 in terms of price/performance ratio, and is always improving with each set of drivers that come out. 480s tend to run relatively hot, and unless you have really good cooling on the cards, two of them side by side will be extremely hot. One 480 can handle pretty much everything right now; a 5970 can handle it even better. Good thing about 5970 is it keeps upgrade paths open (with a 2nd 5970 in the future, especially when drivers are even better), rather than committing over $1000 now on 2 480's.
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June 21, 2010 10:40:40 PM

I could do this but the other thing about the 480 cards is they support 3d so if that becomes big down the road I can utilize that with the 480. I dont think the 5970 supports that. I'm not sure? So if I was to get two 480s I would need some additonal cooling on the cards you think?
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June 21, 2010 11:03:39 PM

I am not sure if the 5970 hardware can support 3d. I know the drivers do not support it currently, but may in the future (if the hardware does). If you go for a 3d setup, you'll have to get a 120hz monintor as well.

I haven't used 480s, so I am no professional with them. I do know that they run hot, and 2 of them in close proximity cause them to run even hotter. I also know that no game currently utilizes the full potential of 2 480's (or even a 5970) unless you are running extreme resolutions (30"+ monitors) on ultra max settings. My advice is to run either 1 480OC ($500) or 1 5970($700) to start and see how you like it. You probably won't see a noticable improvement from a second 480 in your system, unless running at previously mentioned settings. (you can't notice framerates over 60fps, although you may notice temporary dips).

You can always upgrade!

I am personally planning on running 2x 5970s, once games can utilize them. I currently am running 1 on a 1080p monitor and every game on max, and it runs amazingly (lets me play BC2 like a champion). I will probably pick up my 3rd monitor in a few months along with a 2nd 5970 and run an eyefinity setup. Giggity.

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