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EVGO GTX480 2way sli vs. XFX 5970

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May 15, 2010 8:48:59 AM

EVGO GTX480 2way sli vs. XFX 5970
which one is better
dont think about the cost
which one has the better performace
XFX version 5970 OC up to 980 Mhz???
terrible but which one is better
by the way GTX 480 3 way sli is valuable ????
a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 9:02:38 AM

Two GTX 480s would be faster than an HD 5970 - an HD 5970 is two HD 5870s underclocked to HD 5850 speeds. Not all HD 5970s will overclock to 980MHz, each GPU overclocks differently. Three GTX 480s? Well, what do you mean by valuable? They will perform pretty well.
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a c 125 U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 10:38:53 AM

Two GTX480's will eat the HD5970 for breakfast, but thats obvious as the GTX480's cost £900 and a HD5970 cost £500
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a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 11:29:46 AM

Rustyy117 said:
Two GTX480's will eat the HD5970 for breakfast, but thats obvious as the GTX480's cost £900 and a HD5970 cost £500



And you will also be able to cook your breakfast on the 480's!! :) 
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a c 125 U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 12:14:24 PM

:lol:  I guess that adds to the value :) 
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May 15, 2010 1:14:12 PM

why dont you get get 2 hd 5970's ????? problem solved .....
one problem though u cant heat ur room with that set up :/ 
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a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 2:12:40 PM

You can get yourself a liquid cooling kit and a 5870 for tri fire if you already have a 5970 that is. Then you can have both the awesome performance and avoid the crazy power/heat from the GTX.

Then again, why does one need so much graphical power? Doesn't the 5970 max every game on 1080P? I have 2560 resolution and my 5970 already puts everything at max for most games and really really high for the rest.
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May 15, 2010 3:01:41 PM

well the gtx 480 is the best card to buy if your not looking at the price.
this is true by fact not favoritism.
If you dont care about price you can water cool the 480 for about 100-150 bucks.

Some people will make jokes about the heat but the card was built to run hot. they use different dies in the GPU that can handle the high temps.
+ they will point out that it will not run crysis as wel as its competitor. but thats just one game.
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a c 125 U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 3:09:24 PM

You cant buy a Full water loop and a GTX480 waterblock for $100-150, not a proper loop anyway.
You'd be looking at about £200

If money is no issues then Tri SLI GTX480's under water will be the tits. Make sure you have a PSU up to the job.
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May 15, 2010 4:24:31 PM

Why not get 2 5870's?
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May 15, 2010 4:49:57 PM

seth89 said:
well the gtx 480 is the best card to buy if your not looking at the price.
this is true by fact not favoritism.
If you dont care about price you can water cool the 480 for about 100-150 bucks.

Some people will make jokes about the heat but the card was built to run hot. they use different dies in the GPU that can handle the high temps.
+ they will point out that it will not run crysis as wel as its competitor. but thats just one game.


It may or may not be true that the 480's were designed to run hot. I guess we will start to find out in a year or so if the lifespan of the GPU is lower than normal due to the high temps.

In any case, the major problem is not that the cards themselves are hot, but that they with normal cooling heat up the rest of the components, thereby lowering their lifespan, overclockability etc.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 4:54:08 PM

It's not a 2x GTX480 vs HD5970 when the price of the two is sooo far away. HD5970 + HD5870 > 2x GTX480, especially if you get the 5970 to 5870 levels.

But if you did OC the HD5970 to sub-1000core/1200mem, you'd probably end up being on-par or ~5% with 2x GTX480, seeing as how an HD5870 OC will be very sub-par to it.
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May 15, 2010 5:46:53 PM

impaledmango said:


And there are other videos comparing it too a 5970 in SLi



http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine#p/u/1/d11B5M9RIrs

Thats a Crysis comparison at 2560x1600

The 480's are between 30-40% faster through the video, author comments :
480 sli winner by far, Crysis is finally playable all settings maxed out.

The ATI players are to worried about cooking and heating their troll lairs, LOL
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May 15, 2010 6:57:57 PM

Lmeow said:
Two GTX 480s would be faster than an HD 5970 - an HD 5970 is two HD 5870s underclocked to HD 5850 speeds. Not all HD 5970s will overclock to 980MHz, each GPU overclocks differently. Three GTX 480s? Well, what do you mean by valuable? They will perform pretty well.


The 5970 was created taking the best binned 5870s and lowering its clock speeds, so theoretically, all 5970s will be able to overclock to, and even over standard 5870 stock/overclock speeds.
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May 15, 2010 7:04:50 PM

notty22 said:
http://www.youtube.com/user/maxishine#p/u/1/d11B5M9RIrs
Thats a Crysis comparison at 2560x1600
The 480's are between 30-40% faster through the video, author comments :
480 sli winner by far, Crysis is finally playable all settings maxed out.
The ATI players are to worried about cooking and heating their troll lairs, LOL


That is not even a comparison.

That is a one5970 vs two GTX480s. A single $600 card vs 2x $500 cards ($1000).

If you're talking about heat/power, a single GTX480 uses the same amount of power as the 5970, so having two is double the power consumption of the 5970.

If they want a comparison, they should be using two 5970s in Quad Xfire ($1200) vs two or three GTX480s in Dual/Triple SLi ($1000-$1500).
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 7:43:52 PM

Just an HD5970 + HD5850 would be great, really.
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May 15, 2010 11:49:10 PM

cobot said:
And you will also be able to cook your breakfast on the 480's!! :) 


demondrumer said:
why dont you get get 2 hd 5970's ????? problem solved .....
one problem though u cant heat ur room with that set up :/ 


Or perhaps not.

As for performance :-


Seems it can run Crysis better by the look of those numbers.
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a c 125 U Graphics card
May 15, 2010 11:53:08 PM


I'd be very surprised if £900 worth of graphics cards couldn't outperform £500 worth.

@ OP Triple SLI GTX480's under water is the way to go if you have money to burn (no pun intended)
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 12:27:53 AM

Get the 5970 to the way it's supposed to be played (HD5870 clocks) and let's see the gap shrink.
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May 16, 2010 12:35:56 AM

shadow187 said:
Get the 5970 to the way it's supposed to be played (HD5870 clocks) and let's see the gap shrink.

I can't help but be amused by the way you feel that everybody OC's their GPU's or even wants to bother trying to. :lol: 
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 12:39:33 AM

Your not getting the 5970 for less than 700 dollar in the usa.
480 sli, is 1000
Ok so some are balking at that.
Let me ask you , how is that different than some whining about the 5970 should be tested against one GTX 480 ? Which I heard endlessly ? 700 vs 500 ?, tell me that nots fair, and I'll agree that 480sli vs 5970 is also not fair ?
I guess everyone wants the cost edge in their corner ?

edit: 5 makes of 5970's in stock at Newegg right now , never saw that before.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

edit: 9 models of gtx 480's in stock, , http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
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May 16, 2010 1:38:11 AM

notty22 said:
Your not getting the 5970 for less than 700 dollar in the usa.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=hd+5970&cid=16...
480 sli, is 1000
Ok so some are balking at that.
Let me ask you , how is that different than some whining about the 5970 should be tested against one GTX 480 ? Which I heard endlessly ? 700 vs 500 ?, tell me that nots fair, and I'll agree that 480sli vs 5970 is also not fair ? It's because ATI has not released a $500 card, ala HD5950
I guess everyone wants the cost edge in their corner ?
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edit: 5 makes of 5970's in stock at Newegg right now , never saw that before.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

edit: 9 models of gtx 480's in stock, , http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


Mousemonkey said:
I can't help but be amused by the way you feel that everybody OC's their GPU's or even wants to bother trying to. :lol: 
If you're spending $600+ on a card, you'd better know what you're doing. Same goes with FERMI.


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May 16, 2010 1:43:34 AM

shadow187 said:
I can't help but be amused by the way you feel that everybody OC's their GPU's or even wants to bother trying to. :lol: 
If you're spending $600+ on a card, you'd better know what you're doing. Same goes with FERMI.

Quoting things I never said, interesting tactic.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 1:48:45 AM

What?! No no no! That's how I respond to multiple questions in a single post (which I did to Notty), hence why it's bolded.
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a c 272 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 1:54:24 AM

shadow187 said:
What?! No no no! That's how I respond to multiple questions in a single post (which I did to Notty), hence why it's bolded.

If you add your response outside of the quote then the original will remain intact and in response to your comment people who pay top dollar for kit do not need to know what they are doing or how to tweak things, that's why they are prepared to pay such amounts, because that way they shouldn't have to.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 2:00:54 AM

1; It's just my own personal way of response. Sorry :( 

2; And you CAN drop the 5970 in and not worry. You can take 10 minutes of your time to get something much better out for your money though, which I'm sure everyone is out to do. Am I wrong?
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a c 272 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 2:29:36 AM

shadow187 said:
Am I wrong?

Yes. I don't OC my cards and I'm sure there are many others out there who don't either and have no wish or need to so to say it's something that everyone wants, needs or even knows how to do is completely and wholly inaccurate to say the least.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 2:35:33 AM

I said getting something much better out for your money is what everyone is out to do. I doubt you throw your money away. Overclocking is just that; getting more for what you paid for.
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May 16, 2010 2:37:38 AM

shadow187 said:
I said getting something much better out for your money is what everyone is out to do. I doubt you throw your money away. Overclocking is just that; getting more for what you paid for.

You still seem to be of the mistaken belief that everyone OC's or even wants to, they don't so get over it.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 2:45:48 AM

I don't believe in that fallacy; I simply state that IF you can OC this XXX is great, IF this card is OC'd it matches XXX. I recommend cards because of their overclockability as well, which is a very key point.

And more often than not people who buy these cards tend to have overclocking in mind, or are willing to try.
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May 16, 2010 2:54:50 AM

shadow187 said:
I don't believe in that fallacy; I simply state that IF you can OC this XXX is great, IF this card is OC'd it matches XXX. I recommend cards because of their overclockability as well, which is a very key point.

And more often than not people who buy these cards tend to have overclocking in mind, or are willing to try.

If you think that you know what most people are thinking then I'm happy for you and I hope it gets you to sleep at night, I'm going to haphazard a guess that you don't know what most people are thinking but will continue to stick to the same old rhetoric regardless.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 2:57:56 AM

When did I say that I knew what people were thinking..? I pointed out something I have observed...nothing more.
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a c 272 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 3:03:31 AM

shadow187 said:
When did I say that I knew what people were thinking..? I pointed out something I have observed...nothing more.

Right there mate.
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And more often than not people who buy these cards tend to have overclocking in mind, or are willing to try.
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 3:13:59 AM

Im sure a large portion of 5970 owners are doing overclocking just how almost everyone overclocks their i7 920.

People spending this much money on stuff would have done some research to know the 5970s can overclock to 5870 levels with minimum or no voltage increase and thus minimal additional heat.

It is probably safe to assume everyone who has the money to own a Ferrari isn't filling their gas tanks with regular.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 3:14:04 AM

Isn't that just a simple observation? This one guy in the other thread who I've been posting in today is a great example;

Quote:
I'm also considering overclocking the card further to get the most out of my purchase.
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May 16, 2010 3:20:23 AM

rofl_my_waffle said:
It is probably safe to assume everyone who has the money to own a Ferrari isn't filling their gas tanks with regular.

And I'll bet that they are not fiddling about under the bonnet in a greasy T shirt either.
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a c 272 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 3:38:49 AM

shadow187 said:
Isn't that just a simple observation?


If I were to base my beliefs on solely on chosen observations then you would no longer be posting, I would think long and hard before making some glib reply if I were you.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 4:53:39 AM

I'm not trying to be rude, nor do I understand your implications. This all started because of a side-comment of yours that was false.
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May 16, 2010 5:03:02 AM

shadow187 said:
I'm not trying to be rude, nor do I understand your implications. This all started because of a side-comment of yours that was false.

I didn't say you were being rude and implications aside what side comment do you feel was false?
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 5:24:52 AM

You guys need to remember that a single 5970 is basically two 5850s due to the underclocking.

So if you're just comparing performance, you're comparing two 5850's to two GTX480s.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
May 16, 2010 5:28:11 AM

I really don't want to restate the circle of perpetual argumentation; just the one about me assuming that everyone OCs. My assumption is that if you buy a $300+ dollar piece of hardware, you might want to do some research about it; the 5970 is specifically made for OCing back to the HD5870 levels, yet it was reduced to stay in spec. Similar with the HD5850, or (maybe in a month) the GTX470.

So for the sake of peace; I'm wrong, you're right.
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May 16, 2010 5:28:26 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
You guys need to remember that a single 5970 is basically two 5850s due to the underclocking.

So if you're just comparing performance, you're comparing two 5850's to two GTX480s.

Oh I know full well what they are are and how they compare.
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May 16, 2010 5:35:58 AM

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