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March 21, 2011 10:43:00 AM

Hi everybody!

recently had my PSU go bang on me, and i'm hoping it hasn't taken anything else with it...
the mobo, a Asus P5N72 premium, was well nice and i really liked it. I've borrowed a friends PSU and to my mild surprise the fans and HDDs all fired up fine, buuuuut nothing out of the GTX280!! weak!!

power all connected fine to the gtx (first try it had a red led on inside before i plugged them in propper).
i moved it between the PCI-E slots, to no avail.

i swapped it with a radeon 4550... still nothing...

booooo!

questions...

is it worth trying with different ram?
another PSU?
another CPU? booo

i really liked the p5n72, loaded with goodness, if i do have to get another what does anyone recommend?
a 775 DDR2 with more than 1 pci-E (pref 3) that isn't rubbish?

there are loads around for about £40, but they all look lame.
Cant find striker 2s or similar in stock anywhere, and i wont but a mobo without a warranty.

do i just get a DDR3 board.....

thanks
Greg
a b Ĉ ASUS
a c 156 V Motherboard
March 21, 2011 12:08:19 PM

Well, first, you can try some real, systematic troubleshooting to make sure that the motherboard is in truth bad.

Work systematically through our standard checklist and troubleshooting thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-read-postin...
I mean work through, not just read over it. We spent a lot of time on this. It should find most of the problems.

If not, continue.
The following is an expansion of my troubleshooting tips in the breadboarding link in the "Cannot boot" thread.

I have tested the following beep patterns on Gigabyte, eVGA, and ECS motherboards. Other BIOS' may be different, but they all use a single short beep for a successful POST.

Breadboard - that will help isolate any kind of case problem you might have.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262730-31-breadboardi...

Breadboard with just motherboard, CPU & HSF, case speaker, and PSU.

Make sure you plug the CPU power cable in. The system will not boot without it.

I always breadboard a new build. It takes only a few minutes, and you know you are putting good parts in the case once you are finished.

You can turn on the PC by momentarily shorting the two pins that the case power switch goes to. You should hear a series of long, single beeps indicating memory problems. Silence indicates a problem with (in most likely order) the PSU, motherboard, or CPU. Remember, at this time, you do not have a graphics card installed so the load on your PSU will be reduced.

If no beeps:
Running fans and drives and motherboard LED's do not necessarily indicate a good PSU. In the absence of a single short beep, they also do not indicate that the system is booting.

At this point, you can sort of check the PSU. Try to borrow a known good PSU of around 550 - 600 watts. That will power just about any system with a single GPU. If you cannot do that, use a DMM to measure the voltages. Measure between the colored wires and either chassis ground or the black wires. Yellow wires should be 12 volts. Red wires: +5 volts, orange wires: +3.3 volts, blue wire : -12 volts, violet wire: 5 volts always on. Tolerances are +/- 5% except for the -12 volts which is +/- 10%.

The gray wire is really important. It should go from 0 to +5 volts when you turn the PSU on with the case switch. CPU needs this signal to boot.

You can turn on the PSU by completely disconnecting the PSU and using a paperclip or jumper wire to short the green wire to one of the neighboring black wires.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXgQSokF4&feature=yout...

A way that might be easier is to use the main power plug. Working from the back of the plug where the wires come out, use a bare paperclip to short between the green wire and one of the neighboring black wires. That will do the same thing with an installed PSU. It is also an easy way to bypass a questionable case power switch.

This checks the PSU under no load conditions, so it is not completely reliable. But if it can not pass this, it is dead. Then repeat the checks with the PSU plugged into the computer to put a load on the PSU.

If the system beeps:
If it looks like the PSU is good, install a memory stick. Boot. Beep pattern should change to one long and several short beeps indicating a missing graphics card.

Silence, long single beeps, or series of short beeps indicate a problem with the memory. If you get short beeps verify that the memory is in the appropriate motherboard slots.

Insert the video card and connect any necessary PCIe power connectors. Boot. At this point, the system should POST successfully (a single short beep). Notice that you do not need keyboard, mouse, monitor, or drives to successfully POST.
At this point, if the system doesn't work, it's either the video card or an inadequate PSU. Or rarely - the motherboard's PCIe interface.

Now start connecting the rest of the devices starting with the monitor, then keyboard and mouse, then the rest of the devices, testing after each step. It's possible that you can pass the POST with a defective video card. The POST routines can only check the video interface. It cannot check the internal parts of the video card.


If it is, you have some decisions to make. The supply of high performance Core2 motherboards has dried up. If you are going to buy a DDR3 motherboard, you need to buy DDR3 memory. And if you are going to buy two out of three, you may as well bite the bullet :)  and buy a new CPU chip.
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