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June 23, 2010 8:30:14 PM

Hello,

I am upgrading my current 680i Mobo/ E6600 2.4 Quad for a newer more stable combo. My 680i has had problems since purchase.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This Week.

BUDGET RANGE: Around $600.

SYSTEM USAGE: Gaming, I am a HEAVY WoW player.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: HDD, PSU, DVD, Monitor, Speakers, Mouse, Keyboard, Graphics Card

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg of course

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: A faulty 680i makes me want to go to AMD this time. Oddly, my performance in 25 man raids has been around 30 FPS with a Quad Core! (Even OC'd at 3.0).. WoW is just once of those games that doesn't utilize 4 cores well.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1050x1680

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I am only really looking to replace my mobo, processor, RAM, and possibly case. (My current Antec is missing it's side panel)


Thanks!

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June 23, 2010 8:35:47 PM

What PSU do you own?

Heres a build off Newegg:


COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811119196
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant


$99.99
$89.99



CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9
Item #: N82E16820145260
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy


$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card20-145-260

$106.99



AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGMBOX

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GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813128441
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

Protect Your Investment (expand for options13-128-4411100|hide options13-128-4411100)


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AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103808
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy



-$10.00 Instant
-$25.00 Combo


$349.98
$314.98


Newegg Promotional Gift Card - $15.00
Item #: N82E168GC000001
Your Promotional Gift Card will be emailed 30 days after invoice.



Subtotal: $511.96

You could cut on the motherboard but this one will last you a while.

Other motherboards:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 23, 2010 8:39:33 PM

Ah of course, sorry. Currently I have:

Case: CASE ANTEC|P182 BK RT

Hard Drive: HD 150G|WD 10K 16M SATA WD1500ADFD

Processor: CPU INTEL|C2Q Q6600 2.40G 775 8M R

GPU: 9800 GTX+

Motherboard: MB EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR NF680I 775 R

PSU: PSU TT|W0131RU 850W RT

RAM: 5Gigs 800Mhz A-Data/Kingston

Misc: Acer Monitor, logitec speakers, g15 Keyboard, g5 mouse, Asus Dvd burner/drive



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June 23, 2010 8:41:51 PM

What is the brand for that PSU?
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June 23, 2010 8:42:20 PM

I'll explain the differences.

Case: The HAF 922 is a lot bigger and a lot uglier. However, it's possibly the best case out there right now, so the little extra cost is justifiable. You'd really want the HAF if you plan on throwing in a major GPU later on. The HAF is kind of my default suggestion. Take a look at the Antec 300 Illusion, Antec 900/902, Coolermaster Centurion 5 and Coolermaster 690 for other smaller cases. I personally think the Storm series is overpriced, but others disagree.

RAM: The G.Skills are a little more expensive, but also faster. Since you're wanting to overclock, the G.Skills would be better.

Mobo: The 890FX is a newer board, but doesn't really give you a whole lot for the extra money. PRetty much the main difference is that you could drop in a six core CPU without possibly needing a BIOS update. I say possibly because it's possible that the 790XTA comes with a new BIOS that already supports the X6s. That said, there is no good reason you would need a six core CPU, so it's pretty much a waste to spend more.

EDIT: Totally missed that you don't want to do Crossfire/SLI. Here's a better CPU/board combo. The difference is still the same. X4 955 and Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 $215 after rebate.

Since I don't recognize the PSU, I'd suggest getting a new, quality one. Here's a great case/PSU combo: Antec 300 Illusion and TruePower 550W $130 after rebate.

Those two bring my total to $455.
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June 23, 2010 8:47:21 PM

Yes, thank you guys for the fast responses. I really like The AMD Phenom II...I had my eye on:

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor

Mobo: ASUS Crosshair III Formula AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
ROG Series w/ MemOK, Extreme Tweaker - O.C. Tool

Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C8
Perfect match for Core i5 & Core i7

Case: Thermaltake V9 Black Edition ATX Computer Gaming Chassis with Dual Oversized 230mm Ultra-Silent Cooling Fans VJ400G1N2Z Mid Tower

Total ~610 w/o shipping and rebate. (i usually don't bother with rebates)

But I think like you suggest, 3.2 is the better buy with OC capability, I don't play many other games besides WoW. im just trying to get consistantly better FPS with long lasting parts.

My Power Source is 850W =)
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June 23, 2010 8:47:44 PM

MadAdmiral said:
I'll explain the differences.

Case: The HAF 922 is a lot bigger and a lot uglier. However, it's possibly the best case out there right now, so the little extra cost is justifiable. You'd really want the HAF if you plan on throwing in a major GPU later on. The HAF is kind of my default suggestion. Take a look at the Antec 300 Illusion, Antec 900/902, Coolermaster Centurion 5 and Coolermaster 690 for other smaller cases. I personally think the Storm series is overpriced, but others disagree.

RAM: The G.Skills are a little more expensive, but also faster. Since you're wanting to overclock, the G.Skills would be better.

Mobo: The 890FX is a newer board, but doesn't really give you a whole lot for the extra money. PRetty much the main difference is that you could drop in a six core CPU without possibly needing a BIOS update. I say possibly because it's possible that the 790XTA comes with a new BIOS that already supports the X6s. That said, there is no good reason you would need a six core CPU, so it's pretty much a waste to spend more.

EDIT: Since I don't recognize the PSU, I'd suggest getting a new, quality one. Here's a great case/PSU combo: Antec 900 and TruePower 750W $145 after rebate.

Yes the HAF 922 is the best for the price and the ASrock 880G and 870 board are cheaper than the 790 but have the same fetures (note that Asus is the parent to ASrock) and yes your PSU is crap either get the one he said or one of these:
Corsair TX650
Corsair TX750
Antec EA 650
Antec EA 750
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June 23, 2010 8:48:13 PM

PSU is Thermaltake tough power
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June 23, 2010 8:49:21 PM

Blackclad said:
Yes, thank you guys for the fast responses. I really like The AMD Phenom II...I had my eye on:

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor

Mobo: ASUS Crosshair III Formula AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
ROG Series w/ MemOK, Extreme Tweaker - O.C. Tool

Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C8
Perfect match for Core i5 & Core i7

Case: Thermaltake V9 Black Edition ATX Computer Gaming Chassis with Dual Oversized 230mm Ultra-Silent Cooling Fans VJ400G1N2Z Mid Tower

Total ~610 w/o shipping and rebate. (i usually don't bother with rebates)

But I think like you suggest, 3.2 is the better buy with OC capability, I don't play many other games besides WoW. im just trying to get consistantly better FPS with long lasting parts.

My Power Source is 850W =)

No get a quality lower wattage PSu rather than a bad high watage PSU which cant really output that much. Also get thee AMD Phenom II X4 955-965 C3 (the one that's 125W it's better.
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June 23, 2010 8:49:51 PM

Blackclad said:
PSU is Thermaltake tough power

Oh that's a good line.
Also pick up a Cooler Master hyper 212+ for overclocking.
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June 23, 2010 8:50:09 PM

The 965 is just a factory overclocked 955. There isn't a reason to pay extra for it.

The Crosshair III is really expensive and doesn't really offer a whole lot for the extra costs. You'd do better to spend a lot less.
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June 23, 2010 8:51:11 PM

Thanks guys so much for all your help. Awesome replies. This is my second time around doing this and I think it will be successful!
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June 23, 2010 8:52:06 PM

Oh yeah forget the Rampage III just get the MSI 890FX or Gigabyte (UD5 890FX) if you really want the 890FX.
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June 23, 2010 8:53:07 PM

Blackclad said:
Thanks guys so much for all your help. Awesome replies. This is my second time around doing this and I think it will be successful!

Dont forget to get the new C3 steeping version of the AMD Phenom II X4.

C2:HDZ955FBGIBOX/140W
C3:HDZ955FBGMBOX/125W
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June 23, 2010 9:03:13 PM

Awesome. Since I do NOT plan on getting 6 cores...EVER. I am going with MadAdmiral's suggested combo. (which includes the C3 steeping version). And I will most likely get the Cooler Master hyper 212+.

Once again, you guys have been great. Thanks for everything!
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June 23, 2010 9:04:32 PM

Good glad we could help! Just a side note the Hyper 212 is cheaper on Amazon.
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June 23, 2010 9:06:09 PM

While your at it you could add a 5850 and it last even longer. BTW the X6s will work you will just need to flash the BIOS later.
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June 23, 2010 10:34:59 PM

Looking at the Newegg Order on gmail it is listed as "PSU TT|W0131RU 850W RT" (Apparently not on newegg any longer)
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June 23, 2010 10:41:50 PM

^Ill try to find a proper review.
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June 23, 2010 10:50:14 PM

Cant find one sorry at least it's built by Thermaltake not some cheap company while the do have bad PSUs they are mostly all good. Anyways your system will hardly drain 700W so dont worry it looks like a good unit but does it 80%+ efficiency and active PFC.

Edit it has PFC.

Edit2: It has a 87%+ efficiency apparently that's always great.

PSU product page:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1207&ID=15...
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June 23, 2010 10:58:30 PM

Considering the high price tag and the high efficiency it must be a high quality PSU (it's has expensive as the Antec Signature line (see the product t page)). Also talk to one of the PSU pros if the ripple levels indicated on that web page are good.
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June 23, 2010 11:02:50 PM

Sure thing, thanks!
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July 6, 2010 6:05:42 PM

Hey, I'm bumping this topic to get a final approval from the community here on my build. I am planning on ordering today!

After taking in everything from above, my list looks like this:

CASE - HAF 922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


FAN - Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


PROCESSOR - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz (C3)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


MOBO - GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Any approval, or critiques would be much appreciated! The only thing I am really unsure of is the Motherboard. I plan on OC'ing, but not Xfire/SLI.
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July 6, 2010 6:28:38 PM

Looks great! Have a nice time building that new PC!
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July 6, 2010 7:08:00 PM

Userremoved said:
Looks great! Have a nice time building that new PC!



Thanks, by the way... I thought I would ask you if you had any idea if this motherboard now supports the C3 version of the 955.

ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I like the reviews on it (I'm very paranoid about Motherboards since the 680i). I found Asus's site confusing.
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July 6, 2010 7:10:17 PM

Excuse me but what motherboard did you chose? No that motherboard those not support the C3 955
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July 6, 2010 7:12:29 PM

If you want a cheap C3 supporting mobo here are two:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Review from newegg of the Asus board:
Do Not Purchase W/ 965 125w (C3)

white Reviewed By: Greg on 11/18/2009
Rating + 1
Tech Level Tech Level: high - Ownership: less than 1 day
This user purchased this item from Newegg

Pros: For those of you purchasing this board with one of the C2 (earlier) chips, this board has done fantastic in reviews. In fact, read the reviews on Newegg. For the most part, this board is a great overclocker and stable.
Cons: PLEASE READ: I've never given out a one egg before. Most of the time I think it's childish and you get reviews like "Did not POST, DOA, etc.", that make you want to flag the review as not being helpful. **This is very important** As of this past month (11/07), AMD released new revisions to their top line of processors (starting with the 965 125w). DO NOT PURCHASE THIS BOARD WITH THAT (OR ANY OTHER C3) PROCESSOR. AMD supports these chips in the most current version of the BIOS (v.2002). However, in order to flash your BIOS, you have to have another AM3 processor. The board will NOT boot at all with these new processors. This should be fixed in the next 6 months for this board. I say 6 months for the fact that it takes about that time for the new BIOS to be implemented into current shipments.
Other Thoughts: This is not a bad board. This is a respected, well built ASUS board that has great features. Not to mention the stellar price. Please don't purchase this board with a new AMD processor (Google C3 for a list of the new processors).


Asus response:
Manufacturer Response:D ear Valued Customer,

This is true. Always check our CPU compatibility list at http://support.asus.com for the motherboard/CPU in question before you make your purchase.

The C3 X4 965 (125W) needs BIOS revision 0605 or newer in order to be recognized by the motherboard. The X4 965 (140W) will work with this board from the initial BIOS revision on.

The next shipments of this model motherboard will have the latest BIOS revision, 0605.

Best Regards,

ASUS Support Team
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July 6, 2010 7:51:32 PM

Hah, I was so close to posting that exact review! But it was posted in 2009, so that's why I wanted to be sure. Your the man, thanks for everything.
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July 6, 2010 8:54:51 PM

Yer this was a great review i've referred to it before.
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July 6, 2010 9:00:10 PM

Blackclad said:
Hah, I was so close to posting that exact review! But it was posted in 2009, so that's why I wanted to be sure. Your the man, thanks for everything.

Yeah Asus still did not include the new BIOS with that motherboard.
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