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Anonymous
April 8, 2004 7:38:57 PM

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Hi ng, due to having characters I enjoy the banter of I am lacking a thief,
so my question is can I manage ok without one - I do have a bard and I want
to try Kelsley - can I get buy on spells such as knock, detect trap etc.

Its a long while since I last played and I tend to not go for theiving.

Oh btw can anyone please tell me where I may find Mr Kelsley?
And when Wachito was in my party there was no portrait is this normal for
the mod?

Thx in advance

ATB
Chrimlord Evergrim
aka The Chris
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Anonymous
April 8, 2004 9:39:50 PM

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"The Chris" <chris_barry@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi ng, due to having characters I enjoy the banter of I am lacking a
thief,
> so my question is can I manage ok without one - I do have a bard and I
want
> to try Kelsley - can I get buy on spells such as knock, detect trap etc.

You can do without a thief, although having one makes live easier.
Mages can cast the Knock spell, to open locked doors and chests.
You can buy this spell. Clerics can cast Find Traps, although this
spell doesn't have a very long duration. Something like one turn.
If you are a mage, your familiar may have the ability to detect
traps. Monks can also detect traps. Other thieving skills, like
backstab, set traps, stealth are not required for the party.

The one and only skill that you are really going to miss is the disarm trap
skill. Only a thief can do that. So one of your party members
must sacrifice him/herself and activate the trap. Your best option
is probably a mage with Stone Skin, Mirror Image and (minor)
Spell Deflection. This mage can take directed damage, area
damage and directed spells. You can add Negative Plane
Protection (cast by a cleric or druid) to avoid level drain.
Other improvements: Blur and Improved Invisibility to improve
your saving throws.

Of course there is always the level 11 spell Reload...
No saving throws, never fails.

>
> Its a long while since I last played and I tend to not go for theiving.
>
> Oh btw can anyone please tell me where I may find Mr Kelsley?

Try the Goverment District, SW area.

Wim
Anonymous
April 9, 2004 3:56:44 AM

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"The Chris" <chris_barry@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<Qtddc.42508$Id.27741@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
> Hi ng, due to having characters I enjoy the banter of I am lacking a thief,
> so my question is can I manage ok without one - I do have a bard and I want
> to try Kelsley - can I get buy on spells such as knock, detect trap etc.
>
> Its a long while since I last played and I tend to not go for theiving.
>
> Oh btw can anyone please tell me where I may find Mr Kelsley?
> And when Wachito was in my party there was no portrait is this normal for
> the mod?
>
> Thx in advance
>
> ATB
> Chrimlord Evergrim
> aka The Chris

One advantage of a Thief is that you get the experience points for
unlocking and disarming, whereas if you just bash them or 'Knock' them
(with fighters, for instance), you get nada.

There's a similar advantage to having a mage, as you can get
experience points for memorizing spells.

In both cases, you seem to get an unwarranted number of points for
such petty tasks. But I guess it makes up for Icewind Dale in which
you get no points for opening/disarming traps with a thief (which to
my mind, makes a thief almost worthless in the IWD series). Can't
remember if a mage gets points for memorizing in IWD. Don't think so,
but I could be wrong; big surprise, I know :) 

DJ
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Anonymous
April 9, 2004 6:43:19 AM

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Suddenly, Wim Dekker, drunk as a lemur, stumbled out of the darkness and
exclaimed:

> The one and only skill that you are really going to miss is the disarm
> trap skill. Only a thief can do that. So one of your party members
> must sacrifice him/herself and activate the trap.

One of the things I noticed in BG2 was that traps often can be
circumvented. I did the Unseeing Eye without a thief, and once I found the
traps with Find Trap, there was enough space on the sides to carefully walk
around them. In BG1 almost every trap stretched from one side of the
hallway to the other.

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Anonymous
April 9, 2004 6:27:28 PM

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"djarvinen" <jarvinen@proaxis.com> wrote in message
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> One advantage of a Thief is that you get the experience points for
> unlocking and disarming, whereas if you just bash them or 'Knock' them
> (with fighters, for instance), you get nada.
>
> There's a similar advantage to having a mage, as you can get
> experience points for memorizing spells.
>
> In both cases, you seem to get an unwarranted number of points for
> such petty tasks. But I guess it makes up for Icewind Dale in which
> you get no points for opening/disarming traps with a thief (which to
> my mind, makes a thief almost worthless in the IWD series). Can't
> remember if a mage gets points for memorizing in IWD. Don't think so,
> but I could be wrong; big surprise, I know :) 
>

That's as it was in (pre Tutu) BG1, xp for traps, locks and spells was only
added in BG2, after IWD was released.


Patrick
Anonymous
April 9, 2004 7:27:47 PM

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Thx guys, disarm traps was my big concern, it will be like my first BG game
when played half of it before realising how to use the thief skill, Khalid
was getting well roughed up being the trap disarmer)

ATB
The Chris

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"The Chris" <chris_barry@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi ng, due to having characters I enjoy the banter of I am lacking a
thief,
> so my question is can I manage ok without one - I do have a bard and I
want
> to try Kelsley - can I get buy on spells such as knock, detect trap etc.
>
> Its a long while since I last played and I tend to not go for theiving.
>
> Oh btw can anyone please tell me where I may find Mr Kelsley?
> And when Wachito was in my party there was no portrait is this normal for
> the mod?
>
> Thx in advance
>
> ATB
> Chrimlord Evergrim
> aka The Chris
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