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May 19, 2010 6:34:23 AM

Hello Community,

I've been looking at the 240gt and 250gts recently and had my interests piqued when I saw some benchmarks on the 5770. The difference between the 5770 and the 250gts price wise was about 10-30 bucks roughly and 240gt to 5770 was about 60-80 bucks, but overall it got me thinking, how much better is the 5770 versus the 250gts / 240gt?

I do some light gaming when I can, particularly EVE Online and some other games here and there. Been intending on getting Splinter Cell Conviction but my current setup can't play Conviction (specs below). However, I would like to run these games on fairly high settings (not max settings that would break my computer but high enough that things look pretty) such as 1920 x 1080 at decent frame rates (30 FPS minimum).

I am on a budget (not wanting to go over 200). However in my research of the 5770, I would need a new PSU (I think for the 250GTS as well), which poses an additional problem to me. If the performance difference of the 5770 is significant enough for me to get it, what PSU should I get?

Current setup:

Intel i3 530
Gigabyte H55M-S2H Motherboard
4gb Patriot DDR3 PC16000 RAM
Generic 490W PSU (I think, friend gave it to my years ago)
Raidmax Scorpio Tower (I think. Can't check it for a week as I'm out of town)
Some IDE HDD and DVD-R Drive
ATi x1600 Pro

The video card is crap but it's transferred from my old setup as I just barely upgraded about less than a month ago.

Suggestions would be nice. Thanks in advanced for the advice.
a c 169 U Graphics card
May 19, 2010 7:24:42 AM

Hello and welcome to the forums :) 
HD 5770> GTS 250> GT 240 and the difference is noticeable in games,so i would go for a 5770 definitely,its worth it.
About for PSU,
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...
"450 Watt or greater power supply with one 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended"
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May 19, 2010 8:23:55 AM

Check that your GPU bundle contains molex to 6-pin PCI-e connector.It will require two molex pins.
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a c 189 U Graphics card
May 19, 2010 4:25:18 PM

Then it's a good time for you to take a look inside your case for yourself...
Tell us the brand and model of your PSU...
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May 19, 2010 5:35:44 PM

wa1 said:
Then it's a good time for you to take a look inside your case for yourself...
Tell us the brand and model of your PSU...


Honestly couldn't tell you as I'm out of town until next Monday. But if I recall correctly it's an Athena PSU, pretty much a generic, non-quality one. I'll provide more information once I get home.

For now I'm looking to replace the card at least. If the 240gt / 250gts is good enough for what I want, I'd probably buy the 240gt / 250gts instead of getting a 5770. However if the quality difference is quite apparent between the two, then I'll for sure replace both PSU and video card. Hence why I'm looking for a good quality PSU to use.
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a b U Graphics card
May 19, 2010 6:16:04 PM

ohsonoob said:
If the 240gt / 250gts is good enough for what I want, I'd probably buy the 240gt / 250gts instead of getting a 5770. However if the quality difference is quite apparent between the two, then I'll for sure replace both PSU and video card. Hence why I'm looking for a good quality PSU to use.
The 5770/5750 cards -> use less power than the GTS 250s.
Corsair 650TX $90 minus 10% promo code and $20 rebate with free shipping. Final cost? About $60
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a c 189 U Graphics card
May 19, 2010 6:18:13 PM

For $200, i think you can get both of HD5770 and PSU with good quality...
HD5770 is more powerful than GTS250 or GT240...

This combo is good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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a c 169 U Graphics card
May 19, 2010 8:15:53 PM

HD 5770 is noticeably faster than a 5750 and its worth the extra price
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a b U Graphics card
May 19, 2010 9:38:27 PM

I'd agree with Maziar. The price difference just around $20~$25 in many cases.
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May 19, 2010 10:30:17 PM

Get the 5770 from XFX, you really cant go wrong. Its worth spending that extra $30 for a card that has Direct X11 and will last you A LOT longer. Its very future proof and powerful in terms of performance. Don't skimp out on a video card, you will just end up spending more money on another one sooner when the GTS 250 becomes obsolete.

Don't even bother with the GT 240 its not worth it.
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May 19, 2010 10:32:14 PM

BTW for another 80 dollars you can buy a good quality 650 watt PSU which is more than enough for your setup.

Buy these brands: Silverstone, Corsair, and Antec.

BTW, newegg is your best friend here.
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a b U Graphics card
May 19, 2010 11:04:30 PM

ATI 5770 is definitely better than the GTS 250 or GTS240.

ATI 5770 = GTX 260 Core 216 for the most part.

If you're playing at 1920x1080 I'd recommend the ATI 5770 or higher.
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May 19, 2010 11:13:11 PM

Thanks for all the replies. I will start shopping around for a new PSU.

Thanks again.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
May 19, 2010 11:41:08 PM

Why are we looking at 650-750W PSUs? He hasn't mentioned CF/SLI, so a good 400-500W will be fine. Might even be able to squeeze in both for that $200 budget.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Corsair 400W. $50 counting shipping, $40 after rebate. Also has a 10% off promo code that ends on 5/23.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Powercolor 5770 with dirt2 coupon. $160 shipped, $145 after rebate. If you don't like this one, there are several others that are ~$150.

PSU + 5770 for $200.

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May 20, 2010 1:36:59 AM

I'm not really too concerned with CF/SLI as I just don't have the budget or the time to spend playing with such a shiny toy. Looking at the 5770 review, the 5850 did seem to beat the 5770. If I do consider getting CF, I might as well go with a 5850 instead of 2 5770s (thoughts?)

The Sapphire Vapor-X really does seem like the best buy for me, besides I'd get a 70 dollar combo discount if I get it with a 600w PSU (which also has a 25 dollar rebate and leaves some headroom for CF should I win the lotto lol). That brings the total to around 214 and some change before tax, since I also need a new dvd burner it brings up my total to around 250 and some change after tax(which allows me to use bill me later).
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May 20, 2010 1:37:15 AM

Best answer selected by ohsonoob.
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a c 231 U Graphics card
May 20, 2010 1:59:37 AM

The 5770 is the better card, adds DX11 and will cost you about $160 from a decent vendor. The 250 is a step down but can be had for $89 w/ 2 free games.

Twin 250's will certainly perform better than one 5770 ... you have to decide if the extra performance and 2 free games is worth the extra $20...but again, no DX11

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If your gonna be playing DX11 at HD resolutions, I'd save up till I could grab a 5850 or 470
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a b U Graphics card
May 20, 2010 2:36:06 AM

4745454b said:
Why are we looking at 650-750W PSUs? He hasn't mentioned CF/SLI, so a good 400-500W will be fine. Might even be able to squeeze in both for that $200 budget.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Corsair 400W. $50 counting shipping, $40 after rebate. Also has a 10% off promo code that ends on 5/23.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Powercolor 5770 with dirt2 coupon. $160 shipped, $145 after rebate. If you don't like this one, there are several others that are ~$150.

PSU + 5770 for $200.


Personally, for a system someone wants to use for gaming, I wouldn't sell one self short with a 400W PSU. It works now, but next year when you want a new GPU or something, it may or may not be enough.

I don't need my 850W capacity on my current Power Supply. But someday I might. And until then, I'd rather my SLI setup be pulling 60-70% of it's capacity than 90-100% capacity. Stuff runs cooler, and doesn't wear out as quickly that way.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
May 20, 2010 6:13:25 AM

Ok, but keep in mind thats a 30A 400W PSU. Beefy enough for just about anything.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 20, 2010 6:27:10 AM

For your resolution the HD5770 is definitely the way to go. The card is very low power for its performance and may work just fine on your current PSU but if you would rather be safe that combo wa1 linked is an excellent deal. With 450w on the +12v rails the PSU can even handle crossfired HD5770s if you are interested in such at some point(and your motherboard allows for it.)
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May 20, 2010 6:56:25 AM

jyjjy said:
For your resolution the HD5770 is definitely the way to go. The card is very low power for its performance and may work just fine on your current PSU but if you would rather be safe that combo wa1 linked is an excellent deal. With 450w on the +12v rails the PSU can even handle crossfired HD5770s if you are interested in such at some point(and your motherboard allows for it.)


Yea I could. I was just talking to a buddy of mine who just got a 5850 to replace his RMA'd 9800x2, he was telling me how awesome the 5850 is compared to the 9800x2. He also mentioned that I could use a 4-pin to 6-pin PCI-e adapter since I have tons of 4-pins from my power supply. Only concern I have with going that route is sure I save about a good hundred bucks, but would the PSU be efficient enough to power a 5770? I'd rather get a good quality PSU that I know can last for a few years at least rather than relying on a generic PSU that a buddy of mine gave me that might not even power the card, though I've never had a problem with my current PSU.

I won't be home till Monday night and I don't plan on buying anything until Tuesday at the earliest. What I'll end up doing is take a snapshot of my PSU and the railings etc. I've never been too good with PSUs and I want to make certain that the computer I've built with my hard earned money gets the right parts.

EDIT:

I have a spare 19" monitor at home which runs at 1280 x 1020 (or whatever that 4:3 ratio is). I didn't setup a dual monitor setup at home due to spacing issue and not wanting to tax my current card. I know that the 5770 has the new Eyefinity feature. How does using two monitors affect performance? I do quite a bit of multitasking already since I have a laptop next to my desktop at all times, but having a second monitor would make it easier when I would need to copy and paste things online.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 20, 2010 7:12:00 AM

Sounds like you might as well just go for that combo. At $180 after the rebates it is a very nice deal. The cheapest 1gb HD5770 of a decent brand is this one for $150 after rebate;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
So in the end the PSU is only $30 more($55 initially.) The Vapor-X is also a rather nice version of the card. Just hope the combo lasts until Tuesday.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 20, 2010 7:15:04 AM

ohsonoob said:
I have a spare 19" monitor at home which runs at 1280 x 1020 (or whatever that 4:3 ratio is). I didn't setup a dual monitor setup at home due to spacing issue and not wanting to tax my current card. I know that the 5770 has the new Eyefinity feature. How does using two monitors affect performance? I do quite a bit of multitasking already since I have a laptop next to my desktop at all times, but having a second monitor would make it easier when I would need to copy and paste things online.

The other monitor would cause a minor performance hit while gaming on the 1920x1080 but nothing to worry about.
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May 20, 2010 7:21:59 AM

jyjjy said:
Sounds like you might as well just go for that combo. At $180 after the rebates it is a very nice deal. The cheapest 1gb HD5770 of a decent brand is this one for $150 after rebate;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
So in the end the PSU is only $30 more($55 initially.) The Vapor-X is also a rather nice version of the card. Just hope the combo lasts until Tuesday.


If push comes to shove, I can grab the combo on like Friday / Saturday and get it shipped home so I can grab it on Monday / Tuesday. Only thing I don't like about doing so is that I'm essentially committing to it once I order it (or in my opinion). I normally like going to a Fry's and seeing my options at the store since they usually have much cheaper sales than Newegg.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 20, 2010 7:45:42 AM

Frys does have some nice sales but you'll also have sales tax and need to hope for a sale on exactly what you are looking for which is kind of unlikely. I doubt you'll do much better than that combo.
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May 20, 2010 4:18:53 PM

jyjjy said:
Frys does have some nice sales but you'll also have sales tax and need to hope for a sale on exactly what you are looking for which is kind of unlikely. I doubt you'll do much better than that combo.


Since I'm in California anyways, I get sales tax from Newegg as well. But you're probably right. I probably won't get a better deal than that. Fry's will update their sales add tonight at midnight and I'll make a decision from there.
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May 21, 2010 4:12:49 AM

One last question.

How much would my CPU affect game performance? I was thinking of upgrading to an i5-750 after I got the 5770, but would upgrading the CPU affect my performance much? Would it be better to get an aftermarket cooler and just overclock my i3 to around 3.8 than getting an i5-750? I know I don't play too many games at the moment but I would like to have a setup that would be future proof for at least 2-3 years.
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a c 189 U Graphics card
May 21, 2010 4:49:35 AM

I think you will be fine with your current i3, just OC it a little bit and you are good... :) 
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 21, 2010 4:59:00 AM

Your current processor is capable though not great, an OC to 3.5 ghz or higher would make it more than fine though. For something to last you 3 years a quad core is the way to go I guess but in terms of gaming at 1920x1080 it's more the HD5770 that will likely hold you back after a while. If you want something that will last you a long time at that resolution an HD5850 would be the way to go but that card is $300. Unfortunately your motherboard isn't something you would want to use for crossfire. The second slot is x4 which severely limits the benefits of adding a second card so dual HD5770 isn't an option.
The thing is that most PC games are console ports so until there are new consoles I doubt games are going to become too much more intensive then they already are. I wouldn't worry about it too much. With technology that changes so rapidly like video cards it's best just to buy something capable and reasonably priced for your current situation than to spend tons hoping to make it last years. Like the HD5770 is $150 and a good deal. In a year or two you may feel the need for an upgrade but by then there will likely be a new reasonably priced card that's better than today's top end cards.
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May 21, 2010 5:09:26 AM

Thanks wa1.

Looking at Newegg again, I noticed they have a 5830 (will link at the bottom) and that same 600w OCz PSU on a combo sale for about 40 - 50 bucks more than the 5770 Sapphire Vapor-X and the same PSU.

I wouldn't mind forking over an extra 40-50 bucks for an upgrade to a 5830 versus a 5770, seeing as it's a bit more future proof (or at least in my opinion). Thoughts?

Links:

5830:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-161-...

5770:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-102-...

OCZ PSU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-341-...

I'm starting to hate this window shopping... It's making me anxious to go home and buy parts already rather than spend time with the girlfriend >.>
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a c 189 U Graphics card
May 21, 2010 5:18:45 AM

If you could, why not? :) 

HD5830 is better than HD5770, so it's okay if you want that card...
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May 21, 2010 5:27:50 AM

jyjjy said:
Your current processor is capable though not great, an OC to 3.5 ghz or higher would make it more than fine though. For something to last you 3 years a quad core is the way to go I guess but in terms of gaming at 1920x1080 it's more the HD5770 that will likely hold you back after a while. If you want something that will last you a long time at that resolution an HD5850 would be the way to go but that card is $300. Unfortunately your motherboard isn't something you would want to use for crossfire. The second slot is x4 which severely limits the benefits of adding a second card so dual HD5770 isn't an option.
The thing is that most PC games are console ports so until there are new consoles I doubt games are going to become too much more intensive then they already are. I wouldn't worry about it too much. With technology that changes so rapidly like video cards it's best just to buy something capable and reasonably priced for your current situation than to spend tons hoping to make it last years. Like the HD5770 is $150 and a good deal. In a year or two you may feel the need for an upgrade but by then there will likely be a new reasonably priced card that's better than today's top end cards.


At the time of purchase, I never really anticipated to want to go to Crossfire. I got the motherboard and CPU as a combo at Fry's for about 110 total tax included. I really couldn't bargain that much with a price like that seeing as the i3-530 goes for about 120 alone and when previously the same sale sold out by the weekend of the sale lol. I would get a 5850, if I could, but with the added expense of getting a PSU, it's just way out of my budget (unless I hit the lotto or something lol). I don't really play too many console port games, except for Splinter Cell Conviction in the near future as I can't play it with the x1600 Pro now (actually I could play it now but the framerates are just so bad that it's just not worth it). Mostly the only games I play now are EVE Online, Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead 2, with an occasional RTS here and there.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 21, 2010 5:30:48 AM

The price difference is actually $55 and while the HD5830 is about 15% faster I wouldn't spend that much more on it myself. It does overclock nicely though so if you want you OC then it is a reasonable choice if you have the money.
Also that isn't the same PSU as was suggested. The one wa1 linked is superior despite the 550w vs 600w and it also has a $5 off promo code at the moment.
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May 21, 2010 6:00:03 AM

jyjjy said:
The price difference is actually $55 and while the HD5830 is about 15% faster I wouldn't spend that much more on it myself. It does overclock nicely though so if you want you OC then it is a reasonable choice if you have the money.
Also that isn't the same PSU as was suggested. The one wa1 linked is superior despite the 550w vs 600w and it also has a $5 off promo code at the moment.


I'm really bad with PSUs so forgive me. However, what's the main difference between the two? Is the 550w better than the 600w? What makes it better then? What I see is a bigger number so I assume it's better, but obviously that's not the case.

Also you're probably right about the 5830. While it is a bit faster, it's a bit overreaching for what I have / need now.
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a c 189 U Graphics card
May 21, 2010 6:13:48 AM

600W doesn't mean it better than 550W...
You must see amperages, it's more important than wattages... :) 
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 21, 2010 6:24:33 AM

Despite the 550w vs 600w they have the same amperage on the +12v rails which is what really matters and the "Fatal1ty" series has a better reputation for reliability from what I've read. They are probably about the same to be honest, so might as well go with the one with the promo code. I guess the "Fatal1ty" one has the red lights so looking cool could be a plus(or a minus I guess depending on your perspective :p )
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May 21, 2010 6:46:26 AM

Just took physics this past semester and it's come back to haunt me..... I guess the lights would give the 550w a plus? But I don't think the red LEDs and my case's blue LED side fan would go too well with it :p . In any case I have till the 27th to make my decision as that's when Newegg ends that combo promo.

Thanks again for the info. I think I'm going to settle for 5770, now it's just deciding on a PSU to use. Choices.... choices.....
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May 21, 2010 8:45:59 PM

antec psus are cheap and very reliable. And get the 170 dollar 5770, it has a better heatsink that expells the hot air out of the case, instead of inside.
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