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June 27, 2010 10:10:57 AM

i do, indeed

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June 27, 2010 11:19:39 AM

If we want Newegg to drop the price, we just stop recommending the Hyper 212+ for builds and it'll go back down. :) 

I remember when the i7's first came out, everyone recommended the OCZ Platinums and BAMM... price shut up... We stopped... Prices went back to "normal".

Yes... We here at Tom's can influence Newegg's selling prices by our superior recommendations :) 



Okay, I might still be dreaming here but sounds good [:mousemonkey:5]
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June 28, 2010 12:11:17 AM

BAM !!

ZACKATACKALLY !! I'll just bet that WE recommended the Hyper 212+ so exclusively, and for so long, that egg-town's cooler vendors started asking them WHY egg was not moving ANY of THEIR coolers ... like ... I think they got mad and started to complain.

SCYTHE, it is, then !!!

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June 28, 2010 3:00:51 AM

tecmo34 said:
If we want Newegg to drop the price, we just stop recommending the Hyper 212+ for builds and it'll go back down. :) 

I remember when the i7's first came out, everyone recommended the OCZ Platinums and BAMM... price shut up... We stopped... Prices went back to "normal".

Yes... We here at Tom's can influence Newegg's selling prices by our superior recommendations :) 



Okay, I might still be dreaming here but sounds good [:mousemonkey:5]


I think there is more truth to that than you think...

It seems like whenever one of the "best bang for your buck" articles is written here, prices on that item rise. Of course it's also due to all of the recommendations here on the forums.

For instance, one of the memory roundups a while back. I wanna say Crucial had the definite bang for your buck being the cheapest set. I added that memory to my wish list, but checked it like a month later and it was one of the most expensive.

Same deal with the Hyper 212+. I read that heatsink roundup and added it to my wishlist. Everyone here on the forums was also recommending it. When it came time for me to buy, the 212 was $60 at newegg, not $30. Other stores had it cheaper, but NO ONE had it available. Finally I just decided to spend a bit more and get a Mugen-2 rev.B.

I think every once in a while there is a product that gets so bought into in the forums that vendors notice and therefore increase their prices. Maybe we should be more careful about how we word our posts so that it doesn't seem like we are raving over one product.

Anyways i'm rambling, but those are my thoughts.
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June 28, 2010 3:01:54 AM

I have a 212+ that has been sitting in my closet unused since the day I got it (free) and benchmarked it on my i7-930. I thought it was overpriced at $30. That MaximumPC review that Newegg reacted to (or so it seems) is a big pile of crap.
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June 28, 2010 3:13:07 AM

The 212+ went wayyy up in price after it had sold out for a few days, i think when it went out of stock someone realized that they could make a killing off it. Im hoping for it to drop a bit farther and then im going to get one for myself, i knew i should have grabbed it earlier when it was 30
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June 28, 2010 3:38:52 AM

Well ... Any "single vertical stack / heat-pipe" cooler with a push-pull option is going to be about as good (by and large).

I just got a Zahlman that looks zactly like the 212 ... Noctua makes one and so does RoseWill and a few others .... It really is about the static pressure and noise level of the fans, than the heat-sink (IMO).

I like the zhlman because it is cheap and comes with one good fan and also comes with a screw-kit and clips for a 2nd 120x25mm fan ... I ordered two scythe "gentle typhoon" fans and will re-task the original zahlman fan to blow on my two passive Zotac 240 GPUs. Noctua also gives LNAs and ULNA adapters with their kit ... most of these single stacks will fit any modern socket, as well.

... Zahlman also comes with decent paste.

= Alvin =
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June 28, 2010 4:11:35 AM

I got mine when it was $30 with free shipping. Toss in the 10% code I got from Hard, and that basically paid for the tax I get charged for living in CA. Its not a bad cooler, but I wish the backplate was easier to get on. $30 is a good price for it, its not a $60 cooler. No mater how much they wish it was.
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June 28, 2010 6:38:02 AM

Yeah I think toms really does play a large role in newegg's pricing. Especially considering that once a few veterans and addicts like yourselfs claim something is good and give a viable explanation many people who read your reccomendation will reccomend it aswell. A while ago before the hyper212+ was at 60 everyone reccomended it everywhere. Wether it was a 600dollar build or a 4k one.

Which I found very frustrating really I mean a 30dollar cooler on a 4k build?
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June 28, 2010 6:59:06 AM

Yeah ... [chuckling] ...

I am 50 years old ... when my (late) dad's uncle told of racing stock-cars, in the early days of the sport, ... He said ... "Yeah ... we raced on Sears & Roebuck's tires and we broke our trannies in HARD, to shear the gears off, flat."

Hey ... Good ... Cheap ... Works ... What's not to like ?

The Hyper 212+ is a very decent value, at $30 ... but not (even) at $35. I went with a Zahlman.

B T W . . . The stock fan, on the 212+ has been said to be noisey (at best) ... and some many reviewers have said that it is really crappy and very boisey but moves plenty of air.

So ... Any of these single-stack/heat-pipe coolers should have TWO fans and BOTH of those fans should be the same model (matched pair), anyway.

I'd rather have the HSF and mounting hardware for TWO fans ... for $25 ... KEEP your STING-KING fan (and bad-jezz) ... give me extra screws and clips and LNA/ULNA adapters, instead (we all win).

= Al =
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June 28, 2010 7:01:47 AM

Actually ... I just remembered ... The tires were J.C. Penny's ... NOT Sears ... just for the sake of historical accuracy ... He said ... "That's what every last one of us raced on ... JC Penny's Radials".

= Just for the record =
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June 28, 2010 7:18:03 AM

I think all of you are missing the point of what newegg is doing. It has nothing to do with the forums or articles. Its all about perception.

What they do is increase the price of an item substantially and then a week later drop it back and claim it is XYZ dollars off the regular price. They have done this forever.

Next week it will be $30 again and listed as $20 off regular price or have a $20 rebate or some gimmick like that. Its their way.
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June 28, 2010 8:04:17 AM

If YOU say so.

= DON'T feed the trolls =
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June 28, 2010 8:18:58 AM

Alvin Smith said:
If YOU say so.


Yes I do. And I am right. Any doubters need only wait a little bit. Some of us have been dealing with newegg for years. They love this tactic.
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June 28, 2010 10:14:24 AM

no ... sorry "FALC" ... twice in a row, now ... it is YOU who are wrong .... While your intelligence seems above average and your logic seems (almost) sound ... you simply do not have the experience or the complete picture ... I can see how you might be absolutely sure that you are correct, but we (career pros) happen to know that you are wrong.

Not to say that egg does not jigger pricing and manipulate percieved incentives ... all that is true ... but has VERY little to do with the hyper 212 "story" ...

... That list of 100 other vendors that have it for ~$29 lends credence.

You should have more trust in the community and less trust in your own (faulty) opinion. I have taken the time to go over your posts ... just to make sure my read was correct ... it was.

I really don't care what you say on THIS thread, tho (so go right ahead), because nobody is spending their hard earned money on anything, here ... we're just shootin' the breeze.

You may not THINK you are "wrong" ... here ... but ... stick around ... you will "get it" , in time ... you are smart enough ... that ain't the prob.

= Al = (yer pal)
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June 28, 2010 11:01:35 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Yeah ... [chuckling] ...

I am 50 years old ... when my (late) dad's uncle told of racing stock-cars, in the early days of the sport, ... He said ... "Yeah ... we raced on Sears & Roebuck's tires and we broke our trannies in HARD, to shear the gears off, flat."

Hey ... Good ... Cheap ... Works ... What's not to like ?

The Hyper 212+ is a very decent value, at $30 ... but not (even) at $35. I went with a Zahlman.

B T W . . . The stock fan, on the 212+ has been said to be noisey (at best) ... and some many reviewers have said that it is really crappy and very boisey but moves plenty of air.

So ... Any of these single-stack/heat-pipe coolers should have TWO fans and BOTH of those fans should be the same model (matched pair), anyway.

I'd rather have the HSF and mounting hardware for TWO fans ... for $25 ... KEEP your STING-KING fan (and bad-jezz) ... give me extra screws and clips and LNA/ULNA adapters, instead (we all win).

= Al =


I tottally agree I have a noctua d14 with two low noise high quality fans. They may be very good for their noise level but what's the point of having 20dbel fans if you have an hdd that does 26 at IDLE. I have a fan controller and it would have been great to have 2.5k rpm fan which I can dial up or down according to my usage. I think thermalright is going down the right path with their heatsink only products although I would have liked to see enough fan clips and cables(I'm not sure if they are included but I thought they weren't enough fan clips for some heatsinks)
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June 28, 2010 5:21:20 PM

point of 20dB fans, when your HDD is loud, is this ...

The config that I just purchased has two scythe gentle typhoon fans (under 20dB) and two passive Zotac 240 GPUs ... I also have a 128MB SSD (boot & critical apps) ... AND ... the KEY "game changer" ... I have TWO F3 HDDs and BOTH are mounted in removable (hot swap) drive carriers (a.k.a. "mobile" racks) ...

Most of what I do does not require a large capacity HDD, ... those are just for vid-edit and media archives, etc. If I need to do live studio recording (DAW mode), I just pull my HDDs a half inch out of their racks to disengage them. This makes any cooling fans the loudest components (given that the DVDR is idle).

... I'm just sharing some "silence strategies", here, because HTPC & Live Audio DAW configs "need" silence ...

... The other strategy is to stream media content from a remote (home) server, which is not in the viewing room ... or move selected content from slower NAS to the local SSD, just prior to viewing.

My Corsair P128 (128GB) SSD has PLEN-TEE of room for live audio recording (video narration, voice-overs, practical sound effects and original scoring and musical "bridges", etc.) ... The vehicular traffic, outside my urban condo, is my biggest noise concern (problem), now.

I realize that my needs and tricks do not apply to every build but, with media content creation as "the new global literacy", I believe we will see the media content project studio ... and the HTPC ... and the need for silence ... more and more (and sooner).

= Al =
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June 28, 2010 5:58:10 PM

You seem to be quite concerned about silence :p . What do you actually do for a living?

Nice strategy with the hot swap. Sadly though I don't yet have an ssd or home server.

On that note would you buld or buy a home server?
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June 28, 2010 7:25:05 PM

no ... a home server might seem like a great idea and most of the folks who attempt a DIY have a clear modicum of tech prowess (or none!) ... especially with regard to OS/Drvr/Utility challenges (i.e. sw config).

I make my money in the stock market and local real-estate ... not a tycoon, by any stretch, but have managed to avert total ruin, thus far.

As far as my technical career goes ... My 1st build was an IMSAI S-100 which had no kb or monitor ... all I/O was via front panel switches and LEDs (and A/D-D/A cards).

2nd build was a Heath-Zenith Z-100 (soldered the components onto the boards ...
... I attended the 1st MCC (Micro-electronicts and Computer Convention, which became COMDEX.

Byte Magazine was the "THG" of it's day ... I worked in Texas Instruments Warehouses system (here, in Austin) and used to jump my dirt-bike off their loading dock ... jousted with sprint-class forklifts, using fire-extinguishers, and wore a static strap and a stack of operator qualifications licences for a number of different classes of fork-lifts. I weighed discreet components and bagged them ... I dated QC babes from the wave-solder section, across the conveyor belts and dodged mail delivery robots, in 1976 ...

.... Tested out of HS and attended AUM, at age 16 ... Was a Ballistic (C-3 SLBM) Fire controll tech, at age 19, and competed as member of "team TS olympics" with the fate of the world, in the balance (this is sort of like a 5-minute shopping spree, except, instead of shopping carts, you are racing down isles of rack-gear (digital geo-ballistic computers and launch support gear) ... pushing a 100 LB Oscilliscope (on wheels) and throwing open rack panels and deck plates with frantic fervor ... fun!!!

... Tracor AeroSpace ... PC and LAN Lab and Rep to the PC standards council ... Integrated clones and NEC/APCs with sperry mainframes and bridges to token-ring (mac/pubs) and departmental LANs, etc.

... Group Technologies (also CTC) in the Austin Technology Incubator (network decision groupware dev support ... sourced and build a networked co-laboratory (technography board-rooms) and integrated products on site at UT school of buisness classroom 2000 and at Univ of Phoenix, and several other sites.

Worked with netserv (ran miles of cable and installed netware all over Texas) ...

Also interned at an architectural firm (earth-sheltered solar schools and hospitals) in Alabama and surrounding states ... Installed/Represented for Energy Management Systems (automagic ducting and solar tracking, etc.).

I'll skip over compuadd and move to DELL L2 Tech Support ... Team Leader ... Group Leader ... Corporate accounts rep., server/ws queue, etc.

UT Austin Dept. of Radio-TV-Film ... Dual TV/Radio production track ...

Producer #1208 at Austin Community Television ... Qualified on every piece of field and studio gear and all studios and edit bays (twice) ... going for a 3rd round, now. I can do this in 90 days if I can get the slots.

Also was a printer for Postal Instant Press and a Blueprint repro and spec pubs clerk, for architechture firm ... as student jobs.

Most of my old workmates are managing hospital/university/military IT sites, now ... not my idea of a good time ... I am admittedly a hack and a "cut-up" ... I like to play and have fun (in the lab or studio) ... I hate lot's of pressure ... too much of that in my youth.

I retired to develop an energy independent wildlife (ag restoration) ranch and to be a father and to support my (now) ex-wife ... An MBA/Org-Dev consultant that I met in the technology incubator's co-laboratory (she earns more than twice my best salary).

So ... I was burned out by the time I was 40 years old and the last 10 years has been something like "The Book of Job" (Ref. Holy Bible : pr. "jobe").

I have been shooting lots of local event footage, independently and collaborating as an audio tech for televised local community meetings, and such.

I have been editing with Media Studio Pro and Avid Express Pro and Vegas Platinum, for the most part and am about (any minute) to assemble my third DIY, NLE system.

I left lots of stuff out, but those are most of the highlights ... I've had my fun and been squeezed like a turnip.

Dang ... my fingers are getting sore.

= Al =
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June 28, 2010 7:37:43 PM

Wow that seems like an exciting life. I still have a long road ahead of me I hope I have some variation in my work like you've had. You started in technology at 16? Darn I better try hard to beat that.

As for the home server when you say no do you mean the entire idea of a home server is bad?
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June 28, 2010 8:56:14 PM

No ... I just like "peer-to-peer" configs ... for the home ... sharing of storage and print resources, among all the PC's, in a home, wherever it might make sense.

I just don't see the demands of home networking as justifying dedicated servers, except where they are very cheap or are needed for constant availability on "no power".

I have "judged" that most folks who "go in for" ho,e servers just plain like technology and/or have rather ambitious usage profiles.

I remember I interviewed, once, for a test-instrument manufacturer, here in Austin ... I asked the old engineer ... "hey, what kind of network are you guys running in this 3 building campus ??? ... He said, "Yo ... we have a 'Sneaker-Net' ". ... I stared back, inquisitively, and shrugged ... cocking my head ....

... He said, "When we want to transfer data from one computer, to another, we copy to floppy and walk it over to the other building". ... he said this most "matter-of-factly", in a dry and un-ashamed tone ....

... I just sat there ... jaw hanging open ... stupified ...

I think the interview was decided by both of us ... right there ... can't remember much else but that I disengaged and had a really great Tuna-Sub-Sandwich, on my way home, some several minutes later.

Why do old farts like to tell stories, so much ? ... prolly cvause they know that there is more in their past than in their future ... eh ??

= Hazz-Bin =
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June 28, 2010 9:00:36 PM

Alvin Smith said:
no ... a home server might seem like a great idea and most of the folks who attempt a DIY have a clear modicum of tech prowess (or none!) ... especially with regard to OS/Drvr/Utility challenges (i.e. sw config).

I make my money in the stock market and local real-estate ... not a tycoon, by any stretch, but have managed to avert total ruin, thus far.

As far as my technical career goes ... My 1st build was an IMSAI S-100 which had no kb or monitor ... all I/O was via front panel switches and LEDs (and A/D-D/A cards).

2nd build was a Heath-Zenith Z-100 (soldered the components onto the boards ...
... I attended the 1st MCC (Micro-electronicts and Computer Convention, which became COMDEX.

Byte Magazine was the "THG" of it's day ... I worked in Texas Instruments Warehouses system (here, in Austin) and used to jump my dirt-bike off their loading dock ... jousted with sprint-class forklifts, using fire-extinguishers, and wore a static strap and a stack of operator qualifications licences for a number of different classes of fork-lifts. I weighed discreet components and bagged them ... I dated QC babes from the wave-solder section, across the conveyor belts and dodged mail delivery robots, in 1976 ...

.... Tested out of HS and attended AUM, at age 16 ... Was a Ballistic (C-3 SLBM) Fire controll tech, at age 19, and competed as member of "team TS olympics" with the fate of the world, in the balance (this is sort of like a 5-minute shopping spree, except, instead of shopping carts, you are racing down isles of rack-gear (digital geo-ballistic computers and launch support gear) ... pushing a 100 LB Oscilliscope (on wheels) and throwing open rack panels and deck plates with frantic fervor ... fun!!!

... Tracor AeroSpace ... PC and LAN Lab and Rep to the PC standards council ... Integrated clones and NEC/APCs with sperry mainframes and bridges to token-ring (mac/pubs) and departmental LANs, etc.

... Group Technologies (also CTC) in the Austin Technology Incubator (network decision groupware dev support ... sourced and build a networked co-laboratory (technography board-rooms) and integrated products on site at UT school of buisness classroom 2000 and at Univ of Phoenix, and several other sites.

Worked with netserv (ran miles of cable and installed netware all over Texas) ...

Also interned at an architectural firm (earth-sheltered solar schools and hospitals) in Alabama and surrounding states ... Installed/Represented for Energy Management Systems (automagic ducting and solar tracking, etc.).

I'll skip over compuadd and move to DELL L2 Tech Support ... Team Leader ... Group Leader ... Corporate accounts rep., server/ws queue, etc.

UT Austin Dept. of Radio-TV-Film ... Dual TV/Radio production track ...

Producer #1208 at Austin Community Television ... Qualified on every piece of field and studio gear and all studios and edit bays (twice) ... going for a 3rd round, now. I can do this in 90 days if I can get the slots.

Also was a printer for Postal Instant Press and a Blueprint repro and spec pubs clerk, for architechture firm ... as student jobs.

Most of my old workmates are managing hospital/university/military IT sites, now ... not my idea of a good time ... I am admittedly a hack and a "cut-up" ... I like to play and have fun (in the lab or studio) ... I hate lot's of pressure ... too much of that in my youth.

I retired to develop an energy independent wildlife (ag restoration) ranch and to be a father and to support my (now) ex-wife ... An MBA/Org-Dev consultant that I met in the technology incubator's co-laboratory (she earns more than twice my best salary).

So ... I was burned out by the time I was 40 years old and the last 10 years has been something like "The Book of Job" (Ref. Holy Bible : pr. "jobe").

I have been shooting lots of local event footage, independently and collaborating as an audio tech for televised local community meetings, and such.

I have been editing with Media Studio Pro and Avid Express Pro and Vegas Platinum, for the most part and am about (any minute) to assemble my third DIY, NLE system.

I left lots of stuff out, but those are most of the highlights ... I've had my fun and been squeezed like a turnip.

Dang ... my fingers are getting sore.

= Al =


After reading this... I thought your true identity was "Tony Stark" but than I realized you couldn't be him since you didn't say you were a billionaire [:mousemonkey:5]

Impressive history though... except I was disappointed to read you weren't truly an astronaut like your avatar :) 
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June 28, 2010 9:01:02 PM

BTW ... Met a 14 year old kid, on this forum ... not long ago ... taught me plenty ... impressive laddy ... he is a much "better" tech, at 14, than I was, at 16.

= Al =
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June 28, 2010 9:07:49 PM

In my town, we have a great big sign posted with a high school student's name who was voted 1 of 10 best "PC Troubleshooting School" students in the nation. I might look him up if I ever have major issues. :) 
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June 28, 2010 9:13:35 PM

I generally like peer to peer better aswell. But the problem is we(me and my family a total of 4 pc's) have several terrabytes now amassed on different slow externals and organisation would do us some good. Also I am in need of backups. So I thought of a home server which could keep all our files together and make backups redundant ones if neccesary. From what I've read it costs 200-300 dollars without storage which isn't cheap but not exagerated for what it can do also I have many components lying around so I can probably put something together for quite a bit less.

I really enjoy your stories partly because they ussually concern a career path I am considering and partly due to the great writing :D .

I also kind prefer tried and tested over new and revolutionairy.

And well that's just how life goes uh? We prepare for the adventure, we live the adventure and we look back at it.
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June 28, 2010 9:25:42 PM

Well ... an old "coffee buddy" of mine (2 floors down) recently said ... "Gee, Alvin ... you do like to talk about your days, in the US Navy ... What did you guys used to talk about when you were (actually) in the Navy ??? " ... (I think he already knew my reply") ...

... Reply ?? .. "We used to talk about all the great stuff we were gonna do once we (FINALLY!) got (the SAM HELL) out of there !!!".

Point ??? Adventure is really exciting and truly great ... except for when you are actually "living it".

My "career synopsis" sounds pretty cool, once encapsulated, in retro-spect ... but when my life flashes before my eyes, I see just BUNCHES of biotching and moaning.

= Ha ! =
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June 28, 2010 9:32:14 PM

aahh well the grass is always greener on the other side isn't it?

Actually kind of fun to talk on a thread where I don't have to explain why the f3 isn't the "best" drive in the world, that they i5 750 isn't the "best" cpu in the world and that nvidia isn't a total failure. :D 
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June 28, 2010 9:45:22 PM

Somebody_007 said:
Actually kind of fun to talk on a thread where I don't have to explain why the f3 isn't the "best" drive in the world, that they i5 750 isn't the "best" cpu in the world and that nvidia isn't a total failure. :D 
WHAT!!! There aren't the best ???

Next, you are going to tell me the Easter Bunny isn't real or the world isn't flat??

:lol: 
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June 28, 2010 10:13:46 PM

I once knew a "Bunny" ... I can attest to the fact that she was (most definately) NOT flat !!!

My hearing aid keeps cutting in and out ... need some energizers !!! (more bunnies !!)

hope this link works ... (left-click and "open in new tab"?).

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chubby+bunn...

= Al =
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June 29, 2010 3:00:02 AM

Alvin Smith said:
no ... sorry "FALC" ... twice in a row, now ... it is YOU who are wrong .... While your intelligence seems above average and your logic seems (almost) sound ... you simply do not have the experience or the complete picture ... I can see how you might be absolutely sure that you are correct, but we (career pros) happen to know that you are wrong.


NO Alvin. Its twice in a row that YOUR wrong. I had actually done on several occasions that which you said was impossible in our last discussion. Your ignoring that fact and continuing to argue that its impossible does not make you correct. It makes you stubborn, and wrong.

I guess my 20+ years of experience is not good enough. I just don't "have the experience". Gosh darn it!

And yes I am sure that I am right because:

a) Your entire conclusion is speculation based on the fact that newegg raised their prices. Thats as flimsy as a case gets. Especially since they have little history of increasing the price in the manor you described.

b) I have observed newegg raising prices and then advertising a discount on numerous occasions. They are fairly well know for this tactic. This initial move fits their MO perfectly.

So, we have wild speculation vs a move which fits their know behavior. Easy choice. But like I said, only time will tell.

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Not to say that egg does not jigger pricing and manipulate percieved incentives ... all that is true ... but has VERY little to do with the hyper 212 "story" ...

... That list of 100 other vendors that have it for ~$29 lends credence.

You should have more trust in the community and less trust in your own (faulty) opinion. I have taken the time to go over your posts ... just to make sure my read was correct ... it was.


Well put. The Hyper 212 "story". Because that is all it is.

LOL............My judgment and knowledge is typically far far better than the communities. There are some great individual posters here, but the overall knowledge is lacking.

Newegg only jacks up the price of an item significantly over what other retailers charge when they are doing the bait and switch "sale". That is the significance of the other retailers keeping the 212 at $30.

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I really don't care what you say on THIS thread, tho (so go right ahead), because nobody is spending their hard earned money on anything, here ... we're just shootin' the breeze.

You may not THINK you are "wrong" ... here ... but ... stick around ... you will "get it" , in time ... you are smart enough ... that ain't the prob.


I know I am not wrong. Not because I'm %100 sure that they are doing the bait and switch. Its because im %100 sure that your wild speculation is worthless. Newegg doesn't operate that way. YOU will see that in time.

But just like the last thread, you won't admit it no matter what happens.

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June 29, 2010 3:04:08 AM

I remember BYTE magazine. That brings back some memories!
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June 29, 2010 3:58:41 PM

Steve Ciarcia ?

... PS .. show me ONE/ANY other part that has doubled in price, over-night (in a single step).

To be fair, I'll leave that "challenge" open for "future instances", as well.

How many best answers, there, Hot-Shot?? Badges? How many builds have you posted? ... Have you actually helped ANYONE? ... or just spouting off at a historically unprecedented rate? 20 years of WHAT? .... I know LOTS of able techs ... you don't look, smell, sound or quack like one ... quack ... now there is an interesting term.

20 years ... does not seem likely. You are way too articulate to be SO clueless.

I honestly think that you just like to troll for arguments. "You guys have all missed the point" ... LoL ... You must be some king of Lone Genius (in your own mind).

I know 14 year old kids that have twice the snap thaqt you do.

I would have done this privately, but that might have been just a bit too kinky and, unless you (ever) say something that indicates you are more interested in helping folks than just "sounding authoritative" and "being right" ... I want folks to be warned.

Can you show me one thread where you have allowed anyone to correct you?

Can you show me any reference links, performance links or any other helpful references that you have provided (as a tangible solution?)

Can you show me even one instance where you have actually helped someone to trouble-shoot a "mess" toward a final and correct solution ?

... OR ... Have you just been skipping around the forums and dropping inane little turds all over the place to such an extent that you have accumulated more points (with less honors) than ANYONE ever to haunt this site?

Those are rhetorical questions ... don't bother answering.

= Al = There will be a HUGE (and entertaining) and very public apology if I am not essentialkly correct.

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June 29, 2010 4:53:16 PM

I wonder how so many people became veterans. Here is a thread about me(I'm 14 btw) discussing with some veteran and some of the things he says are simply ridiculous. I presume I am correct in that thread and the OP only listens to the veteran because he is veteran.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/288912-13-building-...

I might be wrong there but I'm pretty sure most of what I said is correct and yet still the OP decides to listen to the veteran kind of sucks.
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June 29, 2010 5:39:16 PM


Yup, exactly ... great thread and great advice and a radical ZOTAC ...

The thread that started my current flame war was (sorry) a very stupid question, to begin with ... I don't mean "technically challenged" stoopid ... I mean, like "got no common sense", stoopid ...

OP: "Should I by parts one at a time? ... or ... All at once ?"

Alvin: " ... All at once .... "

Tech with avg IQ: "All at once" (gives more reasons).

FALC: "Doh! ... I Disagree ..." (lists non digital part exceptions, argues ad-nauseum).

I don't like to flame strangers, 'till I get some feel of their "contributions" ... Where did this un-know "Vet" come from? ... Lesseee ... Joined WHEN ??? ...

... Let's read some posts ... !! ? ! ... OK ... small sample ... Let's see some more ...

... Oh, Brother !!!

Yes, 007 ... I was talkin' about YOU. (the 14 year old).

= Al = (Stick around, long after I'm gone ... PLEASE !!! ... I'll sleep better).

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June 29, 2010 6:03:09 PM

Sorry I should say this al but your posts really confuse me. From what I understand you say I gave some great advice and you say that Falcon gave some useless(from what I hear they really are useless) comments on a different thread.

And then you start talking about me again and that's where I get confused do you mean when you say your talking about ME? do you mean I'm on of the 14 year olds that isn't as unhelpful as the some veterans?

If my assumptions above are correct thank you very much :D 

if not well then I'll see when we get there :p 

Also about the newegg tactic on the hyper 212+. Falcon why do you find it so hard to believe that the hyper 212 is a very popular product partly due to toms reccomendations and other forums and websites they rise their price due to popular demand?

Supply and demand it's a pretty important economic rule you know.
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June 29, 2010 6:40:07 PM

Let me be more clear, then ...

I might be wrong but I believe I met you on an "extreme" game build thread, some weeks back. Perhaps, was it you?, who corrected my Vapor-X recommendation, based on locked voltages ?? (did I dream that ... Was that You or that "Wet Road Caution" dude ??). And, who was that standing in a snowy field ?

Anyway ... I was thinking it was YOU who helped that guy on that LONG gaming thread (I finally bailed out) and I thot it was you who walked him all the way thru that. I was not only impressed by vocabulary and knowledge but by "tech attitude" and the important "willingness to be wrong" (for the sake of truth).

Anyway ... I was telling "FALC" that I was having a difficult time believing he had been employed in "technical service delivery", for 20 years ... or for 6 months ... or a week. ... And ... I was telling him that I knew of 14 year old tech's, on this forum, who have more snap, than he.

... You certainly do ... regardless of if I confused you with some other helpful tech with a good attitude.

Again ... I am an editor and not a gamer (unless poker counts). I am a Zotac fan-boy because they make a 240 and a 250 that support OpenGL 3.2 ... And, they make a passive cooled version of the 240 (I just took receipt of two of them).

So ... I am just saying that ol' Alvin Smith certainly does not mind getting "righteously slapped down", by a 14 year old, who just "took me to school" (at least with the Vapor-X update).

... I love it when I'm wrong ... I so wish that FALC was right, so he could just go away happy, but, we have our responsibilities, you know.

= tongue firmly in cheek =
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June 29, 2010 6:53:03 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Let me be more clear, then ...

I might be wrong but I believe I met you on an "extreme" game build thread, some weeks back. Perhaps, was it you?, who corrected my Vapor-X recommendation, based on locked voltages ?? (did I dream that ... Was that You or that "Wet Road Caution" dude ??). And, who was that standing in a snowy field ?

Anyway ... I was thinking it was YOU who helped that guy on that LONG gaming thread (I finally bailed out) and I thot it was you who walked him all the way thru that. I was not only impressed by vocabulary and knowledge but by "tech attitude" and the important "willingness to be wrong" (for the sake of truth).

Anyway ... I was telling "FALC" that I was having a difficult time believing he had been employed in "technical service delivery", for 20 years ... or for 6 months ... or a week. ... And ... I was telling him that I knew of 14 year old tech's, on this forum, who have more snap, than he.

... You certainly do ... regardless of if I confused you with some other helpful tech with a good attitude.

Again ... I am an editor and not a gamer (unless poker counts). I am a Zotac fan-boy because they make a 240 and a 250 that support OpenGL 3.2 ... And, they make a passive cooled version of the 240 (I just took receipt of two of them).

So ... I am just saying that ol' Alvin Smith certainly does not mind getting "righteously slapped down", by a 14 year old, who just "took me to school" (at least with the Vapor-X update).

... I love it when I'm wrong ... I so wish that FALC was right, so he could just go away happy, but, we have our responsibilities, you know.

= tongue firmly in cheek =


I do recall telling someone about locked voltages on a toxic but I'm not certain if it was with you. The willingness to be wrong does sound like me though I generally accept the fact that I can't always be right. "And why do we fall Bruce? so we can learn to pick ourselves up again." A beautiful quote from batman begins which I find fitting :D 

Thanks for all the compliments they are very very much appreciated.
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June 29, 2010 7:08:18 PM

As you know ... I call em' like I see them ... Regardless of demographic or claims.

BTW ... You likely have TWICE the "honest points" that I do ... What really scares me is that *I* (major goof-ball) have ten times the honest points of one "Veteran", I just met.

After I get help (here), with this build, from you guys (thank's SO much!), I will be migrating to an edit forum, where I will happily beg and cower for scraps of wisdom, and I really WOULD like to leave here, and not have to worry ... so ... you need to stop talking about being 14 years old (unless asked), and kick some ass and take names and protect the realm. I might guess you were youngish, if you did not mention your age, but youngish like ... 24 or something. You are hangin' just fine, from all I've seen and read.

= Al =
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June 29, 2010 7:22:23 PM

I don't mention my age ussually as I immediately lose trustworthiness(sadly) it's just because you were talking about 14 year olds anyways lol.

Ohh well I think I'll get some more experience and then fight on here in your name. Trying to defend what we stand for. Until old age weaken me or death take me.

Stay well and do some editing ;) 
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June 29, 2010 7:29:27 PM

prob is ... like a 14 yo ... gotta clean my room first !!! 1 week and counting.
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June 29, 2010 7:59:15 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Steve Ciarcia ?

... PS .. show me ONE/ANY other part that has doubled in price, over-night (in a single step).

To be fair, I'll leave that "challenge" open for "future instances", as well.


I don't usually track such things but there was a Foxconn 790FX board that would be $180 and then suddenly $99 while advertising $80 off the regular price. And it kept bouncing up and down. There are others, but that one stood out in my mind because I was looking for a motherboard at the time. I saw it bounce up and down 3 or 4 times.

And who knows? Maybe they do both tactics. I certainly don't track every item they sell. But I have never observed or heard of them jacking up prices on popular items. They are usually among the lowest prices regardless of popularity.

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How many best answers, there, Hot-Shot?? Badges? How many builds have you posted? ... Have you actually helped ANYONE? ... or just spouting off at a historically unprecedented rate? 20 years of WHAT? .... I know LOTS of able techs ... you don't look, smell, sound or quack like one ... quack ... now there is an interesting term.


I don't keep track how many best answers or badges I have as I am not here to make myself look good. However, I have a cpu badge so if I understand the badge scale, I have at least 10. I have helped quite a few people. 20 years of various computer experience, which includes some tech work, dating back to Apple II, Commodore 64/128, Atari XE/XL, and TRS 80 days. Which is actually 25 years now.

Why would I post a build. I don't need anybody's approval. And I am skilled enough that i don't need the advice of others.

If it makes you feel any better, my uncle has worked as a tech since the 1960's and my grandfather was an aerospace engineer and they turn to me when they need this type of advice. So yes, I'm good enough.

As for my rate of posting, I had a surgery a few months back and didn't have much to do during recovery but watch TV and play with my laptop. I'm sorry you don't approve. But I really don't care.

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20 years ... does not seem likely. You are way too articulate to be SO clueless.


Like I said, you say it can't be done. Yet I have done it and could do it again with relative ease. Who would you believe in that case? Perhaps my skills in those areas are superior to yours. Nothing wrong with that. Even people of comparable skill will have different strengths and weaknesses.

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I honestly think that you just like to troll for arguments. "You guys have all missed the point" ... LoL ... You must be some king of Lone Genius (in your own mind).


I do enjoy an spirited debate, which is why I allow myself to be drawn into something silly like this. You must as well or you wouldn't bother to continue to engage in the back and forth.

However, I don't go out of my way to look for it.

All Geniuses are "lone" in a sense. We represent a very small percentage of the population.

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I know 14 year old kids that have twice the snap that you do.

I would have done this privately, but that might have been just a bit too kinky and, unless you (ever) say something that indicates you are more interested in helping folks than just "sounding authoritative" and "being right" ... I want folks to be warned.

Can you show me one thread where you have allowed anyone to correct you?

Can you show me any reference links, performance links or any other helpful references that you have provided (as a tangible solution?)

Can you show me even one instance where you have actually helped someone to trouble-shoot a "mess" toward a final and correct solution ?

... OR ... Have you just been skipping around the forums and dropping inane little turds all over the place to such an extent that you have accumulated more points (with less honors) than ANYONE ever to haunt this site?

Those are rhetorical questions ... don't bother answering.

= Al = There will be a HUGE (and entertaining) and very public apology if I am not essentially correct.


I have seen some amazing 14 year old kids, so maybe.

As for the rest, I know you said it was rhetorical, but your not looking very hard. I have 1000 posts in 3 months remember? You could find those answers yourself if you really wanted to.

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June 29, 2010 8:05:29 PM

I could always be wrong ... perhaps *VERY* (wouldn't THAT be a hoot ?).

I sure hope you are my replacement, just mucking with me. (You are LATE !).

= Al =
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June 29, 2010 8:12:34 PM

My favorite article, of all time, By Steve Ciarcia, in Byte ...

... It was some long yarn about how he had cobbled together the ultimate home security system, with genuine surplus air-raid sirens and PA-Amolified Electronic Barking Dogs and razor wire and servo-activated tear-gas dispensers, etc., stc., ad-nauseum.

Of course ... he got locked out of his hous, at 3am Tuesday Mmorning and HAD to get in (retreive said article for submission deadline), and he tripped every sensor and was torn to pieces by "less-than-lethal" anti-personnel systems, etc. I am pretty sure that SAC dispatched interceptors, etc. ... can't remember.

It was, of course, an 8 page article with voluminously explicit technical descriptions and circuit diagrams and parts lists (no links, in those days).

= sigh =
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June 29, 2010 8:15:47 PM

Alvin Smith said:
I could always be wrong ... perhaps *VERY* (wouldn't THAT be a hoot ?).

I sure hope you are my replacement, just mucking with me. (You are LATE !).

= Al =


I think a good portion of our disagreement here is that we just both like to debate. I think that much is obvious.

I have gone toe to toe with some ignorant posters, but you are not one of them. We just have different approaches on these issues. Much more of this stuff is subject to opinion and experience then we give it credit for sometimes. Nothing wrong with that. People are not robots.
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June 29, 2010 8:24:42 PM

Alvin Smith said:
(no links, in those days).

= sigh =


Doesn't seem that long ago does it? Kids today don't even remember a world without the internet. I remember BBS linking to the telnet so you could hop from board to board. How awesome that seemed. Makes one wonder when the internet as we know it will be considered archaic.
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June 29, 2010 8:43:20 PM


Oh ... I forgot to mention I sat on the Austin Area Local Sysops Group ... Doh !!

I don't miss my Hayes SmartModem ... AT ... ALL !!!

= Al =
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June 29, 2010 8:50:01 PM

Hate to admit it, but I was addicted to Star-Trek on a TeleType Terminal with round keys and yellow paper !!!

And !!! (this is really embarassing) ... More than once, I waited 20 minutes to download a composit "picture" of some naked lady named Moganna and the photo printed out on a wide-format pin-feed two-tone "fortran/cobol" fan-fold papaer and it was 5 feet long and comprised entirely of ASCII "X", "O" characters and you had to stand at the far side of the room to make out her boobs.

... Tell me I'm not humble !

= Al =
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June 29, 2010 8:52:32 PM


Oops ... Feaux-pas ...

It was the ...

CTSA "Central Texas Sysops Assoc." ... Sorry, all you old dudes (and babe) ... it really HAS been awhile.

= Al =
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June 29, 2010 9:10:33 PM

LOL......thats good stuff!

When would the "Moganna" incident have been? early to Mid 80's?

I never had a printer of my own in the 8 bit days. But I remember those dot matrix monsters.

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