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Need advice about buying a 1500+ Euro gaming pc from Greece..

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June 28, 2010 7:58:26 PM

As stated I live in greece where the trustable online shops I know offer only a fraction of the products available and in an elevated price.. So it would help tremendously if someone could help me in someway.. e.g. international trusted online shop shiping in greece if possible :sol: 



APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (about 2-3 weeks maybe less) BUDGET RANGE: (e.g.: 1500-1700 Euro) After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (Gaming, Programming on C++ Java etc., surfing the web)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (keyboard, mouse, speakers, OS)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (No Idea..) COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: (Greece)

PARTS PREFERENCES: (I would like to use an Intel CPU and Ati graphic card)

OVERCLOCKING: Yes CROSSFIRE: Maybe in the future if the need arises.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (1920x1080 or 1920x1200 if possible)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: (I would prefer a watercooling solution for every component so as to stay as quiet as possible and a see through case so I can enjoy my baby :D  )
a b B Homebuilt system
June 28, 2010 11:57:53 PM

I would buy something like this, for gaming and programming this CPU is excellent and cheaper than Intel also you don't need water cooling:

AMD Phenom II X4 965

ASUS M4A79T Deluxe/U3S6

A-DATA Μνήμη PC G-Series 2 x 2 GΒ DDR3-1600 PC3-1280

LG Εσωτερικό DVD±RW recorder 22x GH22NS50

Samsung Σκληρός δίσκος SpinPoint F3 (1TB)

Cooler Master Ανεμιστήρας CPU HYPER 212 Plus

SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 5870 - 1 GΒ GDDR5

Corsair Τροφοδοτικό PC HX750W 750W (CMPSU-750HXEU)

Cooler Master Κουτί PC HAF 922

Acer Οθόνη TFT 24" wide S243HLbmii (2ms) - LED monitor


1.451,08 € με ΦΠΑ

http://www.pixmania.gr/gr/gr/home.html

I don't know any other sites in Greece.
June 29, 2010 10:38:38 AM

Yes.. Thank you for your time but from reviews i 've read pixmania doesnt offer the best support-service..
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a b B Homebuilt system
June 29, 2010 1:59:48 PM

OK, beside Pixmania that is usually cheaper everywhere, in Greece there seem to be those other big sites:

http://www.multirama.gr/products/home

http://www.e-shop.gr/default.phtml

http://www.plaisio.gr/

e-shop doesn't have much, mutirama I see is more expensive.

Gigabyte 890 FXA - UD5 (actually GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 )
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/Motherboards/G...
AMD Phenom II x4 965
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/CPU/AMD-Phenom...
Mushkin Redline 4GB DDR3-1600 Ram Kit (PC3-12800, 6-8-6-24, 996805)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/RAM/Mushkin-Re...
Asus DRW-24B1LT Dvd-Rw +/- LightScribe Sata Black Bulk
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/Optical-Disc-D...
Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/Hard-Disk-Driv...
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Cpu Cooler
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/CPU-Coolers/Co...
Asus 5870 2DIS/1GD5/V2 (PCI-Express, GDDR5, 1 GB)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/SVGA/ASUS-5870...
Corsair CMPSU-750HXEU
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/PSU/Corsair-CM...
CoolerMaster HAF 922 Case
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/PC-Cases/Coole...
Philips 241E1SB
http://www.plaisio.gr/Peripherals/PC-Monitors/Monitors/...

1.579,59 €

If you don't plan to crossfire (add a second video card later - and the 5870 is very powerful) you can get a cheaper motherboard and PSU and maybe a LED monitor.

I see Pixmania a has a sweet deal on the video card, almost 100€ cheaper:

http://www.pixmania.gr/gr/gr/05036610/art/sapphire-tech...

Or you can go Intel but i don't know if it's worth it.
June 29, 2010 2:40:12 PM

Very very nice. Now i have some more questions..
Is the case big enough to support Crossfire AND triple channel kit at the same time? (for the future)
Is a newer motherboard that supports sata 3 and usb 3.0 maybe a better deal?
Thanks for your time..
a b B Homebuilt system
June 29, 2010 3:15:12 PM

That case is big. That mobo is AM3 high-end and has support for sata 3 and usb 3.0. Triple channel has only Intel's 1366 socket (more expensive) not a very important feature, just like the dual channel BTW.

I wouldn't crossfire a high-end card, just change it when that's needed but that's just me, others do it all the time.

For instance, the Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H is 66€ cheaper it runs a single video card at x16 and has crossfire x8 x8. Then you can get a less powerful and cheaper PSU if you don't crossfire.

Wait for more replies.



June 29, 2010 5:50:13 PM

Ok, So I am leaning towards this..

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T (sAM3, 3,2 GHz, 6MB L3)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/CPU/AMD-Phenom...

Asus Crosshair IV Formula (sAM3, 890FX, DDR3)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/Motherboards/A...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB HDD (64MB Cache, 7200RPM, Sata III)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/Hard-Disk-Driv...

CoolerMaster GX Series 650W PSU (RS650-ACAAE3-EU)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/PSU/CoolerMast...

CoolerMaster HAF 932 AMD Edition (AM-932-RWN1-GP)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/PC-Cases/Coole...

MSI R5870 Lighting (PCI-Express, GDDR5, 1 GB)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/SVGA/MSI-R5870...

OCZ Black Edition Ready 4GB DDR3-1600 Ram Kit (PC3-12800, 7-7-7-24, OCZ3BE1600LV4GK)
http://www.plaisio.gr/Computers/Hardware/RAM/OCZ-Black-...

For a total of 1646,79
I guess I am not going for Crossfire then..
So..
Good, bad, overkill, underkill?
Anything to change before I order?
Also is a watercooling solution viable for stable overclocking?
If yes could I have any suggestions?
a b B Homebuilt system
June 29, 2010 7:25:00 PM

If you intend to overclock as well as CrossFire in the future, I would get a 750W-850W PSU. 650W is fine for now, but it is unlikely to be enough for an overclocked and CrossFired build.

The X6 1090T is more than you need right now, it's severe overkill for gaming. I would suggest just going with a Phenom II X4 955 or 965, as modern games are just starting to use 4 cores, and 6 cores is likely at least a few years off.

The 5870 should be more than enough to game with right now, and your motherboard is crossfire-capable if the 5870 crossfire is still viable in a couple of years.

In the US, the WD1002FAEX is more expensive than the similarly-performing Samsung Spinpoint F3 and the Seagate 7200.12, but I don't know if they're available in your area.

People will tell you that the Crosshair IV is overkill, and it probably is, but I have one, so I'm probably biased in favor of keeping it. :) 

Watercooling is always viable, it's just significantly more expensive and a little riskier than air cooling. I can't recommend a water cooling solution that will fit your budget.

Other than that, the build looks ok.
June 29, 2010 8:11:27 PM

Yeah but WD1002FAEX is SATA III and samsung spinpoint f3 is SATA II. Doesn't that boost its performance?
And water cooling is out of the budget, maybe a gift from my grandpa ;-)
So any suggestions about that with a price range from 100-150 euro for the whole system?
a b B Homebuilt system
June 29, 2010 8:18:31 PM

The only mechanical hard drives that may need more than SATA II bandwidth are the newest WD Velociraptors, and if at all, only for very short bursts. If you want to go ahead and buy the WD1002FAEX, that's fine, but the SATA III doesn't provide any additional performance benefit. See this Anandtech article.

If you still have money left over, you could consider getting an SSD, perhaps. Or upgrading your graphics card or monitor.

I don't really have any strong opinions on water cooling, except that buying a cheap water cooling system is asking for trouble.
June 29, 2010 9:06:25 PM

Ok, thanks I was just asking for your opinion.. So i drop the sata III and go for the spinpoint as you suggested and do some research on water cooling.. Thanks for all..
Oh and is Samsung SM-XL2370 LED Monitor 23''
http://www.plaisio.gr/Peripherals/PC-Monitors/Monitors/...
a better monitor worth the extra money?
a b B Homebuilt system
July 4, 2010 7:31:21 PM

Is a LED monitor, I suppose it's worth it, must be derived from the XL2370:

http://alatest.com/reviews/monitor-reviews/samsung-sync....

Get some other PSU, Silverstone OP Series PSU 650W - 96,51 €, Corsair CMPSU-650TXEU - 110,70 €, or for crossfire the very good but cheapish Silverstone Strider Plus Modular PSU 850W - 117,80 €.
August 29, 2011 1:47:16 AM

Honestly, your best bet would to be to find a U.S. based company and just pay the extra shipping to have them ship it to you. I personally got mine from Ironside, and I paid much less than what you're looking at and for better specs, not considering this post is a year old, but still Ironside has good prices and you may want to take a look at their website Ironsidecomputers.com the next time you want a computer.
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