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March 28, 2011 7:02:39 PM

Hello, im building a new pc and about to buy a motherboard i came to 2 choices but cant tell which one is better, since its my first build. Intel BOXDX58SO2 Socket LGA1366 Motherboard thats the first one and this is the link for it http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=4070

this is the second one ASUS P6X58D Premium Motherboard and this is the link http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=4070

so which one is better, and if u can suggest a better one for around the same price that would be amazing and thanks for ur help

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March 28, 2011 9:16:39 PM

rolli59 said:
For gaming the LGA1155 platform P67 chip set board and I5 2500K would be it. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i...
To answer your question the Asus board is more suitable for overclocking and tweaking.





i really have no idea what that means about the chip set, could you please give me a link for a motherboard that you would say is good and a cpu that would be good for it and for gaming, the cpu should be around 300$. if you could do that, it would be amazing. thank you
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March 29, 2011 4:58:49 AM

thank you guys for your help, i have one more question: the ASUS p8p67 says Memory Supported:
DDR3 1333MHz
DDR3 1066MHz
DDR3 1600MHz
DDR3 1866MHz (OC)
DDR3 2133MHz (OC)
DDR3 2200MHz (OC)

does that mean that i should get the 1600MHz or the 2200MHz will work fine, since i dont know if i will OC. so what im asking is will 2200MHz work to its potential without OC or should i just get the 1600MHz
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March 29, 2011 5:58:05 AM

you can even use 1333 mhz..even with memory running at this speed it will work fine..I would recommend 1600mhz..but, you can get away with 1333.. Primarily for gaming the p8p67 is good..but, for a few extra dollars you can get the P8p67 pro, which has a few extra features you may find useful in the future...like, sli (combining to identical cards to increase video game performance)
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March 29, 2011 3:43:32 PM

jaquith said:
In testing it's been shown that the SB CPU benefits very little in most instances with RAM faster than 1600 MHz. I recommend G.SKILL Ripjaws X 1600 CAS 9/8 RAM.

Nice article -> http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-...



thank you the article was very helpful, ive been looking at different motherboards by ASUS and saw this one Maximus IV Extreme
REV 3.0 - New P67 B3 Revision
The Best Overclocking Experience on Intel P67 with ROG Motherboard

it does cost more then any others that i saw, but since im not planing on getting a new computer any time soon would you saw that it would be a good motherboard for the future, or should i just go with the cheaper ones
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March 29, 2011 4:08:56 PM

I post the following often, 'basic' is code name for don't buy. I really would want at least a 8+2 phase MOBO, the more the phases the longer the life. Example 4+1 80% load on phases, 8+2 40% load, 12+2 27% load, etc.

My pick performance, options, 'future proof', SLI/CF, potential SLI & PCIe SSD, etc id the ASUS P8P67 DELUXE or the P8P67 PRO close 2nd. 3-WAY on P67 'to me' with it having limited lanes {compared to X58 & forthcoming X68} makes little sense. 2-WAY with a single monitor is just fine 2-WAY with x8/x8 for 'most GPUs.'

ASUS:
Maximus IV Extreme {2~3WAY, x8...x8, Marvell 9182 [ASUS typo? 9128] RAID 0/1, eSATA, BT, Dual Intel LAN}
P8P67 WS Revolution {2~3WAY & 4-WAY Quadro only, x8...x8, Marvell 9128 RAID 0/1, Dual Intel LAN}

P8P67 DELUXE {2-WAY, x8/x8 + x4 open, Marvell 9128 RAID 0/1, eSATA, BT, Dual Intel/Realtek LAN, USB3 Ft Panel}

P8P67 EVO {2-WAY, x8/x8 + x4 open, Marvell 9120 no RAID, eSATA, BT, Dual Intel/Realtek LAN, BT}
P8P67 PRO {2-WAY, x8/x8 + x4 open, Marvell 9120 no RAID, eSATA, BT}

SABERTOOTH P67 {2-WAY, x8/x8, Marvell 9120 no RAID, eSATA}
P8P67-M PRO {basic} {2-WAY, x8/x8 + x4 covered, eSATA}
P8P67 LE {basic}
P8P67 {basic}
P8P67-M {basic}



Building Chart: {X68 delayed to Q4 2011 - RE P67/H67 recall sales time}
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March 29, 2011 4:30:28 PM

jaquith said:
I post the following often, 'basic' is code name for don't buy. I really would want at least a 8+2 phase MOBO, the more the phases the longer the life. Example 4+1 80% load on phases, 8+2 40% load, 12+2 27% load, etc.

My pick performance, options, 'future proof', SLI/CF, potential SLI & PCIe SSD, etc id the ASUS P8P67 DELUXE or the P8P67 PRO close 2nd. 3-WAY on P67 'to me' with it having limited lanes {compared to X58 & forthcoming X68} makes little sense. 2-WAY with a single monitor is just fine 2-WAY with x8/x8 for 'most GPUs.'

ASUS:
Maximus IV Extreme {2~3WAY, x8...x8, Marvell 9182 [ASUS typo? 9128] RAID 0/1, eSATA, BT, Dual Intel LAN}
P8P67 WS Revolution {2~3WAY & 4-WAY Quadro only, x8...x8, Marvell 9128 RAID 0/1, Dual Intel LAN}

P8P67 DELUXE {2-WAY, x8/x8 + x4 open, Marvell 9128 RAID 0/1, eSATA, BT, Dual Intel/Realtek LAN, USB3 Ft Panel}

P8P67 EVO {2-WAY, x8/x8 + x4 open, Marvell 9120 no RAID, eSATA, BT, Dual Intel/Realtek LAN, BT}
P8P67 PRO {2-WAY, x8/x8 + x4 open, Marvell 9120 no RAID, eSATA, BT}

SABERTOOTH P67 {2-WAY, x8/x8, Marvell 9120 no RAID, eSATA}
P8P67-M PRO {basic} {2-WAY, x8/x8 + x4 covered, eSATA}
P8P67 LE {basic}
P8P67 {basic}
P8P67-M {basic}

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1500/asus_p8p67_spec.jpg

Building Chart: {X68 delayed to Q4 2011 - RE P67/H67 recall sales time}
http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/Build_Chart_Q1-2011-1.jpg



so the maximus 4 is the best one but not really needed? im bad with all the specs on them, trying to learn about this stuff. but back to the motherboard, does the maximus worth what it costs, and should i buy it
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March 29, 2011 5:10:42 PM

Currently, arguably the 'best available' P67 are:
$374 ASUS MAXIMUS IV EXTREME
$340 Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7
$TBD EVGA P67 Classified

However, I feel they're a waste of money for MOST people. The NF200 is a chipset that essentially funnels psuedo x8/x16 lanes into the {x8 up to x12 native} to use 3-WAY+. Therefore, if I wanted a 3/4-WAY, like the P55 or P67 16~20 available lanes, I'd use and wait for the X68 + SB 6/8-core with 32+ available native lanes; see Building Chart above.

Q - Why are you interested in the ultra-high-end P67 MOBOs?
Q - What GPUs are you looking to use?
Q - Are you considering a PCIe SSD?
Q - What's your Total Budget?
Q - What are you going to be using the 'P67' for - purpose?
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March 29, 2011 5:35:47 PM

Arguably indeed... I've owned all of the above motherboard's (excluding the EVGA) and they perform indentically. The UD7 and M4E share similarities as far as build quality, but as for performance they are the same. Exclude the M4E from your list! This is a mainstream socket and you don't need this expensive motherboard...perhaps if you were doing Dice runs or LN2 it may be of use..but I'm assuming your using this for gaming/editing/browsing etc

The UD7 is also a very nice board..but, it unnecessary..far too much money for features that you won't use at all.

The best board to get, and still have a great amount of features..is definitely the Asus P8P67 Deluxe motherboard. I've built a few systems for people with this board, and it's great! It has lower price tag vs the other flagship motherboards, but the performance is up there... just take a look at this

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
A lot of people like this board, including myself. Put the money you save on an ssd, or better video card (assuming your gaming)...or put the money towards school, or whatever...Just don't get the flagship boards...400 dollars for a mainstream socket motherboard? Absolute absurdity!
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March 29, 2011 5:36:53 PM

jaquith said:
Currently, arguably the 'best available' P67 are:
$374 ASUS MAXIMUS IV EXTREME
$340 Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7
$TBD EVGA P67 Classified

However, I feel they're a waste of money for MOST people. The NF200 is a chipset that essentially funnels psuedo x8/x16 lanes into the {x8 up to x12 native} to use 3-WAY+. Therefore, if I wanted a 3/4-WAY, like the P55 or P67 16~20 available lanes, I'd use and wait for the X68 + SB 6/8-core with 32+ available native lanes; see Building Chart above.

Q - Why are you interested in the ultra-high-end P67 MOBOs?
Q - What GPUs are you looking to use?
Q - Are you considering a PCIe SSD?
Q - What's your Total Budget?
Q - What are you going to be using the 'P67' for - purpose?

to answer ur questions 1) ive been told that P67 is one of the best for gaming, and as u said ultra high end because i want it to last me for a long time as in being able to upgrade other parts for a long period of time.
2)right now i have a GeForce 9800 GT Series - SF-PX98GT1024D3-HML (http://www.sparkle.com.tw/product_detail.asp?id=76&sub_...) but im looking to upgrade to something like Sparkle SX560T1024D5MH GeForce GTX 560 Ti Video Card - 1GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0 (x16), Dual DVI, HDMI, DirectX 11, SLI Ready, Dual-Slot (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...)
3)i have no idea what PCIe SSD is
4)my budget is around 1300, i need to get the most important parts right now such as cpu, mobo, and ram, and a case. cause i have a video card as i said before and a power supply 550W.
5)and the purpose is to play games, do school work, and internet, but the most important is basically playing latest shooters
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March 29, 2011 5:43:08 PM

Exactly as I though...btw..pice-ssd is something like the Revo-drive...you don't need it! overpriced, and using a standard ssd will yield the same results..

Here is what will last you a long time!
P8P67 Deluxe
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Ripjaws X Ram designed for the sb platform
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
GTA 560ti Direct CuII (This has great cooling!)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

So, save some money with the options I've outlined...You will actually feel really good with the money saved..and with the 2500k you'll have a very long lasting gaming machine on your hands!
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March 29, 2011 5:47:51 PM

asantesoul said:
Arguably indeed... I've owned all of the above motherboard's (excluding the EVGA) and they perform indentically. The UD7 and M4E share similarities as far as build quality, but as for performance they are the same. Exclude the M4E from your list! This is a mainstream socket and you don't need this expensive motherboard...perhaps if you were doing Dice runs or LN2 it may be of use..but I'm assuming your using this for gaming/editing/browsing etc

The UD7 is also a very nice board..but, it unnecessary..far too much money for features that you won't use at all.

The best board to get, and still have a great amount of features..is definitely the Asus P8P67 Deluxe motherboard. I've built a few systems for people with this board, and it's great! It has lower price tag vs the other flagship motherboards, but the performance is up there... just take a look at this

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
A lot of people like this board, including myself. Put the money you save on an ssd, or better video card (assuming your gaming)...or put the money towards school, or whatever...Just don't get the flagship boards...400 dollars for a mainstream socket motherboard? Absolute absurdity!



yeah it is for gaming mostly, i thought that the M4E was a bit expansive but since im building for the future i was just wondering, but u and the others here explained it very well so now i have a much better understanding of what i need. so im prolly gonna get the P8P67 Deluxe
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March 29, 2011 5:50:47 PM

not probably...will! lol..it's a very good motherboard..no doubt the M4E would last..but it's like purchasing a very expensive car that hits 300mph but only using 150...the deluxe will make you happy! put the extra money you save on not getting the maximus 4 extreme on a better video card..that's what will let you play future games like battlefield 3 with great success
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March 29, 2011 5:53:32 PM

asantesoul said:
Exactly as I though...btw..pice-ssd is something like the Revo-drive...you don't need it! overpriced, and using a standard ssd will yield the same results..

Here is what will last you a long time!
P8P67 Deluxe
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Ripjaws X Ram designed for the sb platform
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
GTA 560ti Direct CuII (This has great cooling!)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

So, save some money with the options I've outlined...You will actually feel really good with the money saved..and with the 2500k you'll have a very long lasting gaming machine on your hands!



thank you for your help and for some reason the links dont work, it goes to newegg.com but doesnt show the actual product so if could just put the fool name of the products of the memory and the video card, and would u say i would need a new power supply because mine is only 550W
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March 29, 2011 5:57:23 PM

Based upon above the ideal MOBO is the P8P67 PRO or the SABERTOOTH P67.

PCIe SSD - currently there are PCIe SSDs faster than ANY SATA SSD by a factor of TWICE {1+GB/s} the limits of SATA2 300 MB/s and SATA3 ~600MB/s. However, today the PCIe SSD are very expensive $1,000+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

P8P67 PRO vs SABERTOOTH P67
P8P67 PRO 2-WAY GTX 560 Ti + {PhysX GPU or PCIe SSD}
SABERTOOTH P67 2-WAY GTX 560 Ti / maxed-out

Keep in mind that the GTX 560 Ti is limited to 2-WAY period; cannot ever 3-WAY. Also, if you're primarily a Gamer then the i5-2500K is ideal as stated above.

PSU if the plan is to SLI the GTX 560 Ti then look at a 850W or larger PSU. A single GTX 560 Ti 550W is the bare minimum for OC.
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March 29, 2011 6:14:00 PM

asantesoul said:
not probably...will! lol..it's a very good motherboard..no doubt the M4E would last..but it's like purchasing a very expensive car that hits 300mph but only using 150...the deluxe will make you happy! put the extra money you save on not getting the maximus 4 extreme on a better video card..that's what will let you play future games like battlefield 3 with great success



which mobo would u recommend the deluxe or the sabertooth
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March 29, 2011 6:44:57 PM

Any thing above the P8P67pro does not last any longer than the P8P67pro. In 2 years time there will be new and better things on the market.
For gaming performance the money would be better spent on a more powerful GPU than the GTX560Ti.
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March 29, 2011 7:46:53 PM

so i think i know what ill be getting so i just wanted ur opinion on it so this is the system: cooler master HAF 932,
Asus sabertuth P67
intel core i5-2500k
g.skill ripjaws x series 8gb
corsair tx series-950tx 950w
sparkle GeForce GTX 570

so what do u think? any suggestions about any accessories like fans or something. and if u think i should change something in the setup^^^ please tell me
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March 29, 2011 7:59:32 PM

it looks good..funny thing is I owned a sabertooth as well..I didn't want to keep it because I didn't like the idea of dust coming into the system...so, I got the deluxe..the above you have is excellent! go for it....but, like i said...8ram is excessive..get 4gb of ram if your gaming only...you'll save money
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March 29, 2011 8:18:56 PM

asantesoul said:
it looks good..funny thing is I owned a sabertooth as well..I didn't want to keep it because I didn't like the idea of dust coming into the system...so, I got the deluxe..the above you have is excellent! go for it....but, like i said...8ram is excessive..get 4gb of ram if your gaming only...you'll save money

what do you mean dust coming into the system and do you know what kind of cpu fan i would need
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March 29, 2011 10:46:32 PM

guys i have one more question: im thinking of getting sparkle GeForce GTX 570, but is there a better card for the same money. ive heard that AMD Radeon™ HD 6970 and 6950 are good. but which one is better out of 3. thanks
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March 29, 2011 10:55:55 PM

They all have their own merits and specialize @ something.. here, I would make the decision based on budget, games you play, and the resolution you play at... bang for your buck the GTX 560Ti or 6950 (1GB) .... If you wan't something that's going to last... 6970 and GTX 570 is your best bet...if you can afford it the gtx 580 will be great, and you can add another one in a year, and play anything you want (with the small exception of some games, at certain resolutions)
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March 29, 2011 11:00:42 PM

asantesoul said:
They all have their own merits and specialize @ something.. here, I would make the decision based on budget, games you play, and the resolution you play at... bang for your buck the GTX 560Ti or 6950 (1GB) .... If you wan't something that's going to last... 6970 and GTX 570 is your best bet...if you can afford it the gtx 580 will be great, and you can add another one in a year, and play anything you want (with the small exception of some games, at certain resolutions)

(MSI R6970-2PM2D2GD5 Radeon HD 6970 Video Card - 2048MB, GDDR5, PCIe, Dual mini-Display Port, HDMI, Dual DVI) is this one better then the (Sparkle SXX5701280D5NM GeForce GTX 570 Fermi Video Card - 1280MB GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, Dual-DVI, Mini-HDMI, DirectX 11, SLI Ready)
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March 29, 2011 11:07:33 PM

Real world performance (when your playing games) your not going to see a huge difference.. but, if you benchmark and do some testing..you'll find that the gtx 570 outperforms the 6970 in many cases... the 6970 is great for higher resolutions.. go for the gtx 570 bud!
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March 29, 2011 11:10:59 PM

asantesoul said:
Real world performance (when your playing games) your not going to see a huge difference.. but, if you benchmark and do some testing..you'll find that the gtx 570 outperforms the 6970 in many cases... the 6970 is great for higher resolutions.. go for the gtx 570 bud!

what are high resolutions cause i play on 1900x1020 and even sometimes use my 32" tv as a monitor
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March 30, 2011 12:03:38 AM

Most newer LCD/Plasma TV's are 1920 x 1080 like the most HD Monitors so it's the same just with larger sized pixels. Some single, expensive, Monitors are 2560 x 1600.

Therefore, whatever the Monitor/TV is that's what's you're going to get.

edit: For nVidia I prefer EVGA or ASUS, and for AMD/ATI I prefer XFX. Make note of the model numbers and look to 'Lifetime Warranty.'
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March 30, 2011 12:05:50 AM

jaquith said:
Most newer LCD/Plasma TV's are 1920 x 1080 like the most HD Monitors so it's the same just with larger sized pixels. Some single, expensive, Monitors are 2560 x 1600.

Therefore, whatever the Monitor/TV is that's what's you're going to get.

so which of the 2 video cards would u recommend
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March 30, 2011 12:22:56 AM

EVGA usually uses reference design card's, but are generally great..EVGA also has the step up program which gives you an opportunity to upgrade your card within a given time period if something more powerful comes out (some conditions apply, check the evga website)....

I would recommend any of the cards from the links below...
GTX 570's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Right now this is on special..it's an open box, but I would suggest getting it asap, as you save a lot)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

All the cards I've provided links too are great! The first two have non-reference designs and great designs to allow for efficient cooling.. The evga has the step-up program I told you about.. I would pull the trigger on the first link now!!! if it's still available
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March 30, 2011 12:34:46 AM

asantesoul said:
EVGA usually uses reference design card's, but are generally great..EVGA also has the step up program which gives you an opportunity to upgrade your card within a given time period if something more powerful comes out (some conditions apply, check the evga website)....

I would recommend any of the cards from the links below...
GTX 570's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Right now this is on special..it's an open box, but I would suggest getting it asap, as you save a lot)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

All the cards I've provided links too are great! The first two have non-reference designs and great designs to allow for efficient cooling.. The evga has the step-up program I told you about.. I would pull the trigger on the first link now!!! if it's still available

was the first one used or something?
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March 30, 2011 12:38:42 AM

open box..means someone bought it..didnt want it..sent it back..dont question it..if you can buy it..heck..if u can buy two..please do it...this kidn of thing only comes along once in a while...many ppl will get it lol..hurry
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March 30, 2011 1:07:04 AM

omg lol..its gone now... anytime you see something that cheap dont ask! get it... it would have been a great deal for the money
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March 30, 2011 1:07:32 AM

asantesoul said:
open box..means someone bought it..didnt want it..sent it back..dont question it..if you can buy it..heck..if u can buy two..please do it...this kidn of thing only comes along once in a while...many ppl will get it lol..hurry

i wasnt able to get the msi card should i get this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 30, 2011 1:09:43 AM

^+1 to open box GPUs. The only thing in the box you need is the GPU, and if you save a ton of $ and it's DOA then -- get a new on via RMA.

I've bought open box MOBOs, as long as you can get, if missing, the DVD {recovery purposes only} and the I/O shield {$5~$10} and save $50~$100 then bingo for your wallet. SATA cables are cheap.
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March 30, 2011 1:09:55 AM

asantesoul said:
omg lol..its gone now... anytime you see something that cheap dont ask! get it... it would have been a great deal for the money

i cant rely get it myself since i dont have a credit card cause im only 15, so had to wait for my rents, n it takes them mad long
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March 30, 2011 1:16:56 AM

jaquith said:
^+1 to open box GPUs. The only thing in the box you need is the GPU, and if you save a ton of $ and it's DOA then -- get a new on via RMA.

I've bought open box MOBOs, as long as you can get, if missing, the DVD {recovery purposes only} and the I/O shield {$5~$10} and save $50~$100 then bingo for your wallet. SATA cables are cheap.

is it hard to return the products u get from an "open box"
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March 30, 2011 1:17:57 AM

lol..okay..thats fine...but just for future reference...when you see something like that..try and jump on it...the likelihood that it doesn't work..is slim..some people just send it back to try it, then send it back for the money... you save so much money its crazy! As you may have noticed, I'm somewhat economically conscious...I like spending a lot of money myself, but when I see a deal, or know ways to save cash..better believe I will ... there must be an easier way to spot the newegg open box stuff tho...i came across that accidentally
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March 30, 2011 1:20:53 AM

asantesoul said:
lol..okay..thats fine...but just for future reference...when you see something like that..try and jump on it...the likelihood that it doesn't work..is slim..some people just send it back to try it, then send it back for the money... you save so much money its crazy! As you may have noticed, I'm somewhat economically conscious...I like spending a lot of money myself, but when I see a deal, or know ways to save cash..better believe I will ... there must be an easier way to spot the newegg open box stuff tho...i came across that accidentally

when searching u just put in open box but they dont update it cause both cards are still up there
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March 30, 2011 1:23:42 AM

that doesn't always work though...I've tried it many times..sometimes it wont come up..it gets deactivated sometimes..or taken away for a few seconds..seems like trial and error sometimes.. and yeah, it isnt difficult..just contact newegg and let them know your reason for the return... you can rma it with the company the card belongs too..or send it back to newegg for a refund
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March 30, 2011 1:25:10 AM

volodko said:
is it hard to return the products u get from an "open box"

Every build I do is done on a bench first, so if a part is bad it's a matter of a week or two for the RMA.

No, it's easy to RMA. Newegg and EVGA are great with returns! ASUS and XFX good but longer 2~3 weeks on average. I have no experience with MSI so don't know firsthand.
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March 30, 2011 2:02:42 AM

did any1 use the NZXT phantom case by any chance?
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March 30, 2011 2:25:29 AM

NZXT phantom - not personally, but other forum folks seem to like it. Cases are, like art, personal.
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