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March 29, 2011 1:53:04 AM

So, it's time to update my 3 year old rig and really want something that's going to Run Rift with the zone wide events, as well as upcoming games like ToR, Skyrim, Witcher etc etc etc.

I've already gone over the budget I wanted to spend but I have this real problem with making sure I get the most out of my money, even it means increasing each piece by a couple dollars(which always increases the overall price.)

I'm kind of set on what I want except for the Mobo, unless some crazy deal comes along.

Intel Core i5-2500K
EVGA GeForce GTX 470 SuperClocked 1280MB
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb
CORSAIR CAFA70 Cooler

I'll be bring over my Corsair HX62 PSU from my Old system as well as an older 3.0 gb and 1.5gb HDDs. Will use the new 6.0 drive for windows and most used programs.

The motherboards I'm looking at are

Asus Sabertooth
Asus P867 Deluxe
Asrock P67 Extreme6

I'm not a huge OCer but will do enough that I want a Mobo that can handle it. I also don't plan on SLI right away but would like something capable for an easier upgrade so the system can keep up for a little while.

I know these Mobos all can handle it, does anyone have experience with all three or have any recommendations in general about all of the components? Any input would be much appreciated. This is around the $900 mark, it's a little above my budget but I should be able to handle it.

Thanks

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a b V Motherboard
March 29, 2011 11:11:20 AM

I consider this Gigabyte board to have an excellent cost / benefit ratio. And it meets all of your requirements. Microcenter has it too if you have one near you. Plus, the 2500k is $40 less there.
March 29, 2011 7:35:11 PM

No microcenters anywhere near me.
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a b V Motherboard
March 29, 2011 8:21:59 PM

Pity. Me neither. Well, Newegg is a OK place to buy.
March 29, 2011 9:25:51 PM

Noworldorder said:
Pity. Me neither. Well, Newegg is a OK place to buy.


yah that's basically where I'm going and it helps they take paypal. hehe
a c 715 V Motherboard
March 29, 2011 10:05:48 PM

PSU - If you meant CMPSU-620HX PSU and you OC both CPU/GPU you're squeaking by okay.

MOBO - $248 ASUS P8P67 DELUXE it's basically the ASRock P67 EXTREME6 plus all the doodads. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - $130 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CAS 8-8-8-24-2T @ 1.5v Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I'm very much a Corsair fan, but the G.SKILL Ripjsaws X seem to be near perfect for the P67/SB.

HSF - $43 Unless you already own the Corsair, I'd really look that the Scythe SCMG-2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Tom's $1000 Build - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6950-unlo...
Tom's $2000 Build - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-sandy-bridge-...
March 29, 2011 11:32:38 PM

jaquith said:
PSU - If you meant CMPSU-620HX PSU and you OC both CPU/GPU you're squeaking by okay.

MOBO - $248 ASUS P8P67 DELUXE it's basically the ASRock P67 EXTREME6 plus all the doodads. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - $130 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CAS 8-8-8-24-2T @ 1.5v Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I'm very much a Corsair fan, but the G.SKILL Ripjsaws X seem to be near perfect for the P67/SB.

HSF - $43 Unless you already own the Corsair, I'd really look that the Scythe SCMG-2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://media.bestofmicro.com/5/4/282712/original/2011-sbm-high-q1_platform.jpg
Tom's $1000 Build - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6950-unlo...
Tom's $2000 Build - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-sandy-bridge-...



I googled the scythe but couldn't find any reviews(because I didn't realize it was useing a different name on sites >.>) which is why I didn't even look at it. Umm...Like I was saying Im already over my budget so adding another $35 for the ram just seems to hurt where I'm at. I checked reviews on the vengence and they seemed to do awesome.

As for the PSU and OCing the GPU I'll probably leave it stock or factory OCed, honestly I've never OCed gpu so wouldn't even know where to start.
I've been useing this PSU calculator and it seems to think I'd be just fine on power.
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
I realize it's just a calculator but it's reccomending a 510w PSU. if I were to ever SLI then I'd be in trouble.
a b V Motherboard
March 29, 2011 11:42:57 PM

You're over budget? Are you settled on the P8P67 Deluxe? It looks like it would be perfect for future proofing your needs.
a c 715 V Motherboard
March 30, 2011 12:39:37 AM

Hitman84 said:
I googled the scythe

Vengence and they seemed to do awesome.

I realize it's just a calculator but it's reccomending a 510w PSU. if I were to ever SLI then I'd be in trouble.


HSF {+$16} for 6~10C Scythe Mugen 2 rev.B A/K/A SCMG-2100 VS 'CORSAIR CAFA70 Cooler'

RAM Vengeance ; I'm a huge Dominator fanboy, and my issues with the Vengeance are 2 fold: 1. The RAM's heatsinks are often a problem for many HSF, 2. There have been some problems with users reporting back. As I said I am a Corsair fan, but I won't lie either. When Vengeance work they're fine.

PSU The calculators, many of them, don't take into account 'electrolytic capacitor aging' or simply said the older it gets the less wattage/AMP it produces. Next, if your calculation is 510W then running a system load @ 100% will burn-out the e.g. 550W PSU in a year or less with a very noisy PSU complaining/reminding you all the way. http://www.corsair.com/learn_n_explore/ {Power Supply Finder tab}

For example, if the Requirement is 510W then taking into account capacitor aging; 510 X 1.30 = 663W or higher.
"recommend you add 20% if you plan to keep your PSU for more than 1 year, or 25-30% for 24/7 usage and 1+ years."
March 30, 2011 1:19:23 AM

Noworldorder said:
You're over budget? Are you settled on the P8P67 Deluxe? It looks like it would be perfect for future proofing your needs.


My budget is basically as stretched as far as it can go. haven't settled on anything just yet.
a c 715 V Motherboard
March 30, 2011 1:27:53 AM

Post the amounts, parts and budget. So we can see and find ways to cut some corners.
a b V Motherboard
March 30, 2011 1:40:02 AM

^+1. We, as a group tend to be pretty good shoppers.
March 30, 2011 1:40:24 AM

jaquith said:
HSF {+$16} for 6~10C Scythe Mugen 2 rev.B A/K/A SCMG-2100 VS 'CORSAIR CAFA70 Cooler'


PSU The calculators, many of them, don't take into account 'electrolytic capacitor aging' or simply said the older it gets the less wattage/AMP it produces. Next, if your calculation is 510W then running a system load @ 100% will burn-out the e.g. 550W PSU in a year or less with a very noisy PSU complaining/reminding you all the way. http://www.corsair.com/learn_n_explore/ {Power Supply Finder tab}"


So the Power Tab is recommendering 650W psu, what you're saying is it's assuming it's brand new and not three years old like the one I'm currently useing.

jaquith said:
Post the amounts, parts and budget. So we can see and find ways to cut some corners.




EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked $265
Intel Core i5-2500K $225
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB $95
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s $60

Obviously this is without a Mobo selection which I don't want to be skimpy on and apparently a new PSU which will run me about $90-110
Plus a Cooler somewhere in the $40 range.

As far as budget, $1000 would be the absolute MAX but if I can avoid going that high it'd be preferable. I was trying to keep it closer to $900

I'm all set on case, will be pulling everything out of my stacker 830 and using the fans already inside it. I've got 2 HDDs running but they're both 3+ years old an old 3.0 gbs and 1.5gbs so thats why I was looking at the cavalier, something new and fast to run windows and any often used programs saving the others for storage and less critical apps.
a c 715 V Motherboard
March 30, 2011 2:14:04 AM

$265 GPU: GTX 470 1280MB
$225 CPU: i5-2500K
$95 RAM: 2X4GB 1600 9-9-9-24
$60 HDD: 500GB SATA3
$0 PSU: reuse for now CMPSU-620HX
$0 CASE: reuse
$43 HSF: SCMG-2100
=====
$688 Subtotal

$99 OS Windows 7 Home Premium $99 OEM 64-bit
$27 DVD ASUS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
=====
$814 Subtotal
<1000> Budget
=====
$186 ___ MOBO

Jaquith's
$305 GPU: GTX 570 ; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$225 CPU: i5-2500K
$55 RAM: 2X2GB 1600 8-8-8-24
$65 HDD: 1TB SATA2 HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$0 PSU: reuse for now CMPSU-620HX
$0 CASE: reuse
$43 HSF: SCMG-2100
$99 OS Windows 7 Home Premium $99 OEM 64-bit
$27 DVD ASUS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$168 MOBO: ASRock P67 EXTREME4
====
$987 ; I can easily add another 2X2GB anytime.
March 30, 2011 6:20:03 PM

You could knock a few bucks off this by going with a cheaper cooler and also by going with a lesser mobo. Also, if you don't need an OS, thats $100 bucks there. You wont go wrong with the Asus x58 sabertooth mobo, it just costs about $25 more which is why i chose the MSI that I did. Was really just trying to get a reasonable Future Proof system that would be solid and stable. Ok, im done now. Good luck ; )

PS: These are all newegg prices of course...

Cart Item List:

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC Video Card
Item #:N82E16814127565
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
$249.99
1
MSI P67A-GD65 (B3) ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813130574
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$179.99
1
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #:N82E16822136795
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$59.99
1
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
Item #:N82E16819115072
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
$224.99
1
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Item #:N82E16820231428
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$99.99
1
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
Item #:N82E16832116754
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
$99.99
1
CORSAIR CWCH50-1 High Performance CPU Cooler
Item #:N82E16835181010
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$71.36
Grand Total: $986.30
March 30, 2011 7:56:56 PM

Abomonous said:
You could knock a few bucks off this by going with a cheaper cooler and also by going with a lesser mobo. Also, if you don't need an OS, thats $100 bucks there. You wont go wrong with the Asus x58 sabertooth mobo, it just costs about $25 more which is why i chose the MSI that I did. Was really just trying to get a reasonable Future Proof system that would be solid and stable. Ok, im done now. Good luck ; )

PS: These are all newegg prices of course...

Cart Item List:

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC Video Card
Item #:N82E16814127565
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
$249.99
1
MSI P67A-GD65 (B3) ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813130574
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$179.99
1
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #:N82E16822136795
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$59.99
1
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
Item #:N82E16819115072
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
$224.99
1
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Item #:N82E16820231428
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$99.99
1
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
Item #:N82E16832116754
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
$99.99
1
CORSAIR CWCH50-1 High Performance CPU Cooler
Item #:N82E16835181010
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$71.36
Grand Total: $986.30


An interesting thought, hadn't honestly thought about dropping a level or two on the video card. As for the cooler, according to newegg, it's not 1155 compatible.
a c 715 V Motherboard
March 30, 2011 9:00:07 PM

Corsair H50 - http://www.corsair.com/cooling/hydro-series/hydro-serie...
Socket support: AMD AM2, AMD AM3, Intel LGA 1155, Intel LGA 1156, Intel LGA 1366, Intel LGA 775

I have 10 H50's form my pseudo i7 930 WS and the plus is easy cleaning, the downside is it's not any better performer than the $21 extra.

Unless you're rendering 8 GB vs Better GPU & 4GB is a no brainier. As mentioned if you don't need an OS, e.g. Family Pack (3) Windows 7 Premium then get your 8GB RAM.

Also, a 500GB SATA3 HDD vs +$5 1TB is another no brainier. A SATA3 HDD offers ZIP performance gain over it's SATA2 HDD cousin. BOTH HDDs are limited to 120~140MB/s which is 1/2 SATA2 limit of 300 MB/s and 1/4 SATA3 limit of ~600 MB/s.

GTX 560 Ti vs GTX 570 - http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/NVID...
10 FPS GTX 570 and it depends on the Game and Set-up. It makes no difference what GPU you choose as long as it performs well per your AA and Resolutions; I don't like anything under 8XAA. The GTX 560 Ti is capped at 2-WAY, but it's a good value.
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