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ATI 3650 can't play 1080p (need new card?)

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May 21, 2010 9:32:04 PM

I have an All-in-Wonder HD 3650 card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With 3 gigs of ram.

It can play 720p movies all day long but when I try a 1080p MKV format, either the sound or video is choppy depending on if I use vlc or media player.

Any idea why this would be? I have the latest 10.4 drivers installed on Windows 7 64bit.


I specifically bought that card for my HTPC so I'm a little ticked off. Strangely an older nvidia card can play 1080p without any issues on the same box. Unfortunately that card doesn't have hdmi out.
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May 21, 2010 9:37:23 PM

720p movies that you play, are they mkv too?
You could always try different codecs (Community Codec Pack,Windows 7 codec pack,ffdshow...)
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May 21, 2010 10:15:40 PM

yes 720p mkv videos work fine. The codec I'm using is CCCP from MKV site. VLC has similar issues. Where would I get a different codec?
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a b U Graphics card
May 21, 2010 10:27:23 PM

If you don't have it already, install haali matroska splitter
http://haali.su/mkv/

I had a similar issue with 1080p content in mts2 container, can't quite remember what I did to get it going though...

VLC is known to work with it's own codecs, so is a bit rare that it can't play 1080p files
Right know, I'm using Windows seven codec pack, core avc and so far so good.

I cant think anything but the HDMI thing, since with nvidia card worked just fine..
I never used HDMI nor DVI for that matter, only VGA....

Try with the VGA connector and see if the problem persist. (I don't know much about HDMI output, hopefully someone can and will enlighten us)
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May 22, 2010 1:25:26 PM

What do you have inside the mkv container? By that, I mean what video codec is being used: h.264, VC-1, MPEG-2, etc?

I'm not sure VLC supports DXVA hardware acceleration, though WMP should. Have you checked your CPU usage while playing 1080p? With DXVA you should be at 10% or lower CPU usage. Maybe the HD3650 DXVA is not working?

Try using MPC-HC to play the 1080p video and see if it plays back smoothly. It should work and that could rule out your player as the problem if it is still choppy.

And finally, I've personally had a lot of problems with Radeon drivers with my integrated HD4200 video. The best driver for me is 9.8. 9.9 through 10.1 broke DXVA playback for me and I have not been happy with the picture quality of 10.2 through 10.4.
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May 23, 2010 5:11:47 AM

Windows media player is working now with 10 to 20% cpu usage for most files. All the other players seem to use 50% plus cpu and either have audio or video issues. The CCCP does include the haali splitter so I already had that. It seems like I need to upgrade cpu or try a different video card if I want to make other players work.
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May 23, 2010 11:16:31 AM

kurtd said:
I have an All-in-Wonder HD 3650 card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With 3 gigs of ram.

It can play 720p movies all day long but when I try a 1080p MKV format, either the sound or video is choppy depending on if I use vlc or media player.

Any idea why this would be? I have the latest 10.4 drivers installed on Windows 7 64bit.


I specifically bought that card for my HTPC so I'm a little ticked off. Strangely an older nvidia card can play 1080p without any issues on the same box. Unfortunately that card doesn't have hdmi out.



Your processor is weak, that is why 1080p is dodgy, I used to have a 3800+ X2 overclock @ 2.7GHz and 1080p was a no-no, 720p was fine though. I would look into upgrading to a cheap Athlon II X3/X4 type of CPU the extra cores will help you a lot. If you can trade that 3650 to atleast a 5750 you'd be good. 3GBs of ram under windows 64-bit seems pointless, stick in 4GBs of ram and utilise dual channel memory mode.
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May 23, 2010 3:51:31 PM

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Your processor is weak, that is why 1080p is dodgy, I used to have a 3800+ X2 overclock @ 2.7GHz and 1080p was a no-no, 720p was fine though. I would look into upgrading to a cheap Athlon II X3/X4 type of CPU the extra cores will help you a lot. If you can trade that 3650 to atleast a 5750 you'd be good. 3GBs of ram under windows 64-bit seems pointless, stick in 4GBs of ram and utilise dual channel memory mode.



Well the weird thing is this rig played 1080p just fine when I had the nvidia card and hooked up to a normal screen. That's why I coverted it to a media PC and added the All-in-wonder HD which I also had laying around. Basically, I didn't want to put much money into it. I'm guessing a new cpu would solve the problem but would another nvidia card with hdmi output also solve my problem?

I have the Asus A8N-sli deluxe board and the fastest proc that's supported is the Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4800+ (Socket939) 2.4ghz. and it's going for 100$ plus on ebay. It sounds like that proc isn't even fast enough which means I'm SOL and need new MB, CPU, and RAM.
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a b U Graphics card
May 23, 2010 6:43:48 PM

Have you tried what I suggested?

"I cant think anything but the HDMI thing, since with nvidia card worked just fine..
I never used HDMI nor DVI for that matter, only VGA....

Try with the VGA connector and see if the problem persist."

Try that before buying anything please.
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May 23, 2010 8:25:35 PM

For good gaming at 1920x1080 you must get minimum HD4850 1GB or GTS250 1GB....

About video....have you tried another codecs... 3650 can easily play 1080p MKV format....tested...
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May 24, 2010 3:18:15 AM

What other codecs can I try? I did find that zoom player seems to work fine even though cpu goes to 90%.
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a b U Graphics card
May 24, 2010 5:17:51 PM

You can try Power dvd 10. It is a player that its designed especially for HD content, such as h264, mpge2 x264 etc.... try that one, It is a trial version though.

I still think you should check the HDMI cable, by connecting the pc & monitor through vga.
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May 24, 2010 6:01:31 PM

Try "KLite Mega Codec Pack" or "VLC Player" for video playback..
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May 24, 2010 7:29:41 PM

kurtd said:
Well the weird thing is this rig played 1080p just fine when I had the nvidia card and hooked up to a normal screen. That's why I coverted it to a media PC and added the All-in-wonder HD which I also had laying around. Basically, I didn't want to put much money into it. I'm guessing a new cpu would solve the problem but would another nvidia card with hdmi output also solve my problem?

I have the Asus A8N-sli deluxe board and the fastest proc that's supported is the Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4800+ (Socket939) 2.4ghz. and it's going for 100$ plus on ebay. It sounds like that proc isn't even fast enough which means I'm SOL and need new MB, CPU, and RAM.



Your current system should be fine for the task of Full 1080p playback (see Tom's Hardware 2007 CPU Chart - Full HD 1080p Playback). That's not to say it's going to sail right through it and beg for more. If you have other applications running in the background or if the codec you're using isn't as efficient as it could be, then yes. You could run into problems.

No knowing enough about 1080p playback and codecs, I can't help with what ones to try, but if worse comes to worse, I'd probably invest in a DVI --> HDMI cable and go back to your GeForce card (this assumes your old card has a DVI port) before upgrading the entire system.

-Wolf sends
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May 31, 2010 1:48:55 AM

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