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AMD 1090T vs Intel i7 930 for 3d and Compositing

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August 28, 2010 6:08:33 PM

Hello,

I m gonna use the pc mainly for :
Maya, Zbrush, PS, After Effects, Sound forge, Flash and VideoStudio + a bit of casual gaming.

which from the 1090t and i7 930 you suggest....

budget is $1800 or 90,000 Indian rupees...i've selected the other components...so juz need ur advice on the CPU....taking into a/c the future upgradability as well

My rig:

Amd 1090t or i7 930
Gigabyte UD5
Sapphire radeon HD5850
G-skill 6 gb, 1600 ram cl-7
Ocz SSD - 60gb (boot)
Samsung F3 - 1tb (storage)
Razer Imperator
Logitech G110
Win 7


CM HAF 922 or NZXT Tempest Evo or CM 690 plus II Advanced Case (m confused, pls. suggest, looks does matter) :) 
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August 28, 2010 6:56:03 PM

CM HAF 922 / NZXT Tempest Evo / CM 692 II Advanced all excellent choices. Choose based on your preference or on best price.

Either CPU will be an excellent choice. I suggest the 1090T and 8GB RAM (2GBx4) if your budget allows.
1090t / GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 AM3 motherboard / 8GB RAM
i7 930 / GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5 X58 motherboard / 6GB RAM
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August 28, 2010 7:10:52 PM

Well, I was going to say something but instead I'm going to just completely agree with WR2. Because he said what I was going to say and more.
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August 28, 2010 7:20:55 PM

By the looks of the components you've chosen, it seems like you were gearing towards an i7 930 build.. Anyway, i too would recommend the X6 1090T here.. Make sure you get a compatible motherboard.. WR2 has sorted out a proper list for you so it should not be a problem.. Just one correction though, instead of 2GB x 4 RAM config, go for a 4GB x 2 configuration.. This would allow you to maximize on the RAM count in the future as AM3 allows 16GB max memory.. I'd also recommend you to opt of a GTX 460 instead of a HD 5850.. You've not mentioned your PSU choice.. Make sure you get a quality PSU as it is one of the most critical components.. As for the case, get the one which looks best to you.. All of them are nice..
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August 28, 2010 7:27:36 PM

Emperus said:
By the looks of the components you've chosen, it seems like you were gearing towards an i7 930 build.. Anyway, i too would recommend the X6 1090T here.. Make sure you get a compatible motherboard.. WR2 has sorted out a proper list for you so it should not be a problem.. Just one correction though, instead of 2GB x 4 RAM config, go for a 4GB x 2 configuration.. This would allow you to maximize on the RAM count in the future as AM3 allows 16GB max memory.. I'd also recommend you to opt of a GTX 460 instead of a HD 5850.. You've not mentioned your PSU choice.. Make sure you get a quality PSU as it is one of the most critical components.. As for the case, get the one which looks best to you.. All of them are nice..

I hate to be the person in the thread not coming up with ideas and just agreeing but I have to agree lol.
Last I checked 2x4GB kits had reduced in price enough for them to be comparable to 4x2GB kits or 2 2x2GB kits.
And the 460, although less powerful than a 5850, is about $100 less expensive. If you don't need the power of the 5850, than the 460 is the best bang/$ on the market right now. Plus if your applications are better optimized for Nvidia cards, then that's another plus. I say if because I am unsure if they are or not.
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August 28, 2010 10:13:03 PM

1. Are you SURE 60GB is enough for all those programs + some files + games? I have Inventor, Maya, and they take up about 10GB or so. Leave 20GB for the OS, and you only have 30GB to play with. Also which SSD is that? The old OCZ Agility?

2. Define "casual gaming". If you aren't playing any heavy FPS (ie Crysis,ARMA2,etc) you could drop down to a 4850 or so and save a bunch of money. Also, IIRC, doesn't Maya,AE,Photoshop, have CUDA enabled plugins? If so, going nVidia may make sense here. Again, this depends on which version of AE,Photoshop,Maya you are running.

3. Is this PC used for any serious work? (As in, you make money off of this).

4. What LCD are you using? This is some thing many people overlook. A good quality LCD makes a HUGE difference in your work in Photoshop,etc where color accuracy,etc is important. If this is for pro level work, seriously consider an IPS based LCD.
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August 29, 2010 5:36:15 AM

The 460 is a good choice because Adobe's suite has GPU acceleration from it.
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August 29, 2010 5:48:50 AM

Shadow703793 said:
1. Are you SURE 60GB is enough for all those programs + some files + games? I have Inventor, Maya, and they take up about 10GB or so. Leave 20GB for the OS, and you only have 30GB to play with. Also which SSD is that? The old OCZ Agility?

2. Define "casual gaming". If you aren't playing any heavy FPS (ie Crysis,ARMA2,etc) you could drop down to a 4850 or so and save a bunch of money. Also, IIRC, doesn't Maya,AE,Photoshop, have CUDA enabled plugins? If so, going nVidia may make sense here. Again, this depends on which version of AE,Photoshop,Maya you are running.

3. Is this PC used for any serious work? (As in, you make money off of this).

4. What LCD are you using? This is some thing many people overlook. A good quality LCD makes a HUGE difference in your work in Photoshop,etc where color accuracy,etc is important. If this is for pro level work, seriously consider an IPS based LCD.


1. m sorry, its the Corsair CSSD-F60GB2-BRKT (do u suggest sumthin else ?)

2. Games like COD MW2, NFS, n many more but juz once or twice a week as i find time for them.

3. m currently learning 3d and dont see moolah coming in for the next 1-1/2 year :sarcastic: 

4. I'll use photoshop mainly for designning textures for 3d models and not very much for digi or matte painting....(which monitor u suggest ?)


Hey can u please visit this website : http://www.primeabgb.com

This is where m gonna buy all my components from....pls. suggest a good config. for my budget. (i7 930 is not listed on tht website but is available)
note: the budget is Indian Rupee 90,000.
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August 29, 2010 7:06:28 AM

In many cases - not a lot of options on that site.
- price / part

14,500 AMD X6 1090T (option: X6 1055T @ 9,900)
1,850 Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus CPU cooler

11,200 Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 Motherboard
6,350 4GB Gskill DDR3-1600 F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM (option: just 4GB now - add more later if needed)
6,350 4GB Gskill DDR3-1600 F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM

11,300 Corsair Force 60GB SSD CSSD-F60GB2-BRKT
3,150 Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA 7200.12 SATA 3Gbs
950 LG GH22NS50 Optical DVD burner

14,500 Palit GeForce GTX460 Sonic Platinum Graphic Card

6,600 CoolerMaster HAF 922 (option: CM 690 plus II Advanced @ 5,400)
4,850 Corsair VX 550W Power Supply

total 81,600
(options: 69,450)

plus Win7, your choice of keyboard, mouse and speakers
with options: ~13,850 a nice monitor ASUS VH242H 23.6 inch LCD Monitor or Dell ST2410 24inch LCD Monitor
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August 29, 2010 2:27:04 PM

WR2 said:
In many cases - not a lot of options on that site.
- price / part

14,500 AMD X6 1090T (option: X6 1055T @ 9,900)
1,850 Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus CPU cooler

11,200 Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 Motherboard
6,350 4GB Gskill DDR3-1600 F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM (option: just 4GB now - add more later if needed)
6,350 4GB Gskill DDR3-1600 F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM

11,300 Corsair Force 60GB SSD CSSD-F60GB2-BRKT
3,150 Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA 7200.12 SATA 3Gbs
950 LG GH22NS50 Optical DVD burner

14,500 Palit GeForce GTX460 Sonic Platinum Graphic Card

6,600 CoolerMaster HAF 922 (option: CM 690 plus II Advanced @ 5,400)
4,850 Corsair VX 550W Power Supply

total 81,600
(options: 69,450)

plus Win7, your choice of keyboard, mouse and speakers
with options: ~13,850 a nice monitor ASUS VH242H 23.6 inch LCD Monitor or Dell ST2410 24inch LCD Monitor


That's the best system you could choose for that price. But I'd rather get a 1055t over a 1090t. You can easily OC the 1055t to 3.6ghz without a voltage increase or 4.0ghz with overvolting.
Spend those 4,600 on something more useful, like a graphic tablet if you still don't have one.
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August 29, 2010 3:39:38 PM

thanx for u reply,

i was wondering whether the Gskill F3-12800CL9T6GBNQ (DDR3 1600 with CL - 9-9-9-24) will be supported by 1090T or not ????
i read sumwhere that it only supports 1333 Mhz ram modules

If it is supported then should i go for :
Gskill F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ (DDR3 1600 with CL - 9-9-9-24)
or
Gskill F3-12800CL6D-4GBPI (DDR3 1600 with CL - 6-8-6-24) * this has better timings but will it stand against the 6 gb ram

Also,
m confused with the motherboard as well :
Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5 - this too doesnt support DDR3 1600 and
Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 Motherboard - same is the case here, no support for DDR3 1600
ASUS Crossfire III Formula (lacks usb 3.0, the latter 2 have 3.0 ports)

==============I DO NOT INTEND TO OC THE RAM=============
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August 29, 2010 4:09:41 PM

RAM support is a factor for the motherboard - not the CPU.
And Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 supports DDR3 1600 without overclocking.
From the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 website:


If you look at the Memory Support List QVL (qualified vendor list) for the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 you will see that G.Skill F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM is on that list.


Gskill F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ is a set of 3 RAM sticks. AM3 boards use RAM in sets of 2. 1366 X-58 Intel boards use RAM in sets of 3.

Gskill F3-12800CL6D-4GBPI has better RAM timings but the performance differences between CAS8 and CAS6 is very small. A light CPU overclock of 200Mhz (2.8Ghz~3.0Ghz or 3.2Ghz~3.4Ghz) gives a MUCH better performance increase than going with CAS6 over CAS8 RAM.

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August 30, 2010 10:06:12 AM

WR2 said:
RAM support is a factor for the motherboard - not the CPU.
And Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 supports DDR3 1600 without overclocking.


Thanx for ur reply WR2, but,


do you mean Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 supports DDR3 1600 without OC'ing the ram or the CPU ??
I intend to manually OC the x6 and use its turbo core feature as well, so will i have to downgrade to 1333Mhz for this purpose ??

and as u said that,
Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 doesnt accept rams in set of 3(triple channel) then how can i get 6 gigs of ram on my mobo ?? :??: 
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August 30, 2010 11:52:00 AM

I would not worry too much about that overclocking it is not that hard.

So basically you change the ram settings from auto to manual settings and fill in the proper values at the places needed in the bios at the ram section thats all.

Second the 6 Gb memory is a intel option in some cases it can run in triple channel mode, the fun thing is that it not really gave the performance gain they actually wanted so newer models are back to dual channel.

Dual channel means you need 2 memory modules so every step you need 2 or multiplied by 2. (example : 2 x 1 Gb, 2 x 2 Gb, 2 x 4 gb or 4 x 4 Gb and so on)

Triple channel means 3 modules minimal and steps of 3 when adding ( 3 x1 Gb and so on) this is only on intel based systems.
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August 30, 2010 2:12:07 PM

The mobo supports 1600 without OC but the memory controller is on the CPU and it's rated at 1333. The RAM will work at 1333 unless you overclock (the RAM).

The difference between 1333 and 1600 in the real world is very small so aim for lower latencies.

http://www.primeabgb.com/index.php?page=shop.product_de...

Good cheaper mobo (Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H):

http://www.primeabgb.com/index.php?page=shop.product_de...

(The Asus posted by WR2 is also good)

Alternative for the case:

http://www.primeabgb.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemar...

If you need a more powerful video card:

http://www.primeabgb.com/index.php?page=shop.product_de...

Monitor:

http://www.primeabgb.com/index.php?page=shop.product_de...


I wouldn't get a SSD right now, wait for the new better models. Also the prices are dropping.











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August 30, 2010 3:24:20 PM

jaidev_goswami said:
do you mean Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 supports DDR3 1600 without OC'ing the ram or the CPU ??
I intend to manually OC the x6 and use its turbo core feature as well, so will i have to downgrade to 1333Mhz for this purpose ??:
Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 supports DDR3 1600 without OC'ing. You will not need to downgrade to DDR3 1333 for OC'ing and using the X6 Turbo core features.

To get 6GB in dual channel mode you'd use four sticks of RAM. 4GB (2x2GB) and 2GB (2x1GB).
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August 30, 2010 5:42:11 PM

Thank u all for ur expert advice,

now a last few questions n then i'll not bug u all ne more,

1. wat happens if i install 3 x 2gb ddr3 1600 ram in Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3

2. can i oc a 1333Mhz to 1600 or not

3. Wat is the optimum PSU, enough to handle the foll. :


Amd x6 1090t
Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3
Sapphire/Powercolor radeon HD5850
G-skill 8gigs 1600 ram cl-9
Ocz SSD - 60gb
Samsung F3 - 1tb
Razer Imperator
Logitech G110
Coolermaster GeminII CPU cooler

4. y is there a price diff. between HD5850 from Asus vs Powercolor and Sapphire :

link for graphics card

Thanx in advance, i'll post again to ask about ram oc'ing to 1600mhz in Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 when i buy all the components this saturday....

Thanx again.... :) 
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August 30, 2010 5:59:44 PM


1.You'll lose the dual channel setup. Which in all honesty, doesn't increase performance noticeably.

2. Yes. You will need to overclock the base clock, therefore increasing the CPU speed also unless you decrease the CPU multiplier.

3. Pretty much any reliable brand 500W PSU (corsair, OCZ, antec earthwatts).

4. Just the brand names. If there is a performance difference, it is minor. Basically, each has a different warranty. If you can get an XFX card, I know their warranty is lifetime. I also know that asus only has a 3 year warranty on their video cards. As for the others, I am unsure.
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August 30, 2010 6:19:40 PM

Enzo has answered everything precisely already.. I'll like to make a few additions though -

1. You'll be left with only one memory slot.. It'll be difficult to find a single memory stick matching with your other RAM modules installed in the other slots.. Moreover, you'll not be able to capitalize on the max memory available on the board which is 16GB (you'll end up with either 8GB or 10GB)..

2. You definitely can as explained by Enzo.. But you might need to increase on the timings also to maintain stability.. Its too much of a hassle as compared to CPU overclocking.. Moreover, it is unnecessary as 1600 MHz RAM with good timings are not that costly..

3. A good 550W PSU is adequate to handle that config even with the CPU overclocked.. Personnely though, i'd like to take out the OCZ name from Enzo's provided list.. They have some good PSU's but quality wise, they are no way close to Corsair and/or Antec..

4. Sometimes branding decides the price.. By this analogy, Asus cards will always be a tad bit more costlier..
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August 30, 2010 8:17:34 PM

You can get the Sapphire, didn't see it the first time. Asus is kinda expensive.

You can get only 2x2G of RAM for now and see if you need more.

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August 30, 2010 9:48:26 PM

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1.You'll lose the dual channel setup. Which in all honesty, doesn't increase performance noticeably.

IIRC, only 2x of the sticks will run in Dual, while the other will run in Single channel? Or am I thinking Intel here.....?

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4. Just the brand names. If there is a performance difference, it is minor. Basically, each has a different warranty. If you can get an XFX card, I know their warranty is lifetime. I also know that asus only has a 3 year warranty on their video cards. As for the others, I am unsure.

You forgot EVGA warranty: http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/

Also, do be aware, that some manufactures only provide 1 year for cards outside of US/Canada.

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4. I'll use photoshop mainly for designning textures for 3d models and not very much for digi or matte painting....(which monitor u suggest ?)

In that case, LCD color accuracy wouldn't matter much (as your doing basic textures,etc not print). Which version of Photoshop? CS3?CS4? CS5? If CS5/CS4, you may want to look at a CUDA enabled card, esp. for large 3D work in Photoshop where the GPU will make a noticable bit of a difference. Again, AE 5 will also benefit form GPU acceleration with the Mercury playback engine. This is all assuming you will be doing very heavy 3D work in PS,effects in AE,etc. If these are small work, then the GPU chosen has very little difference.
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August 30, 2010 10:39:14 PM

IIRC, only 2x of the sticks will run in Dual, while the other will run in Single channel? Or am I thinking Intel here.....?
No you aren't. To my knowledge, no one can do that. Maybe you are thinking that intel can run dual channel with one slot empty on each triplet of slots?

While on topic though, this is relevant to the OP about the performance benfits of dual vs triple channel. Single vs dual will follow a similar pattern. I've linked to this page because it includes a blender test:
http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Memory/Intel-Core-i7-Du...

You forgot EVGA warranty: http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/
Nice. Didn't know about their warranty.

If CS5/CS4, you may want to look at a CUDA enabled card, esp. for large 3D work in Photoshop where the GPU will make a noticable bit of a difference. Again, AE 5 will also benefit form GPU acceleration with the Mercury playback engine. This is all assuming you will be doing very heavy 3D work in PS,effects in AE,etc. If these are small work, then the GPU chosen has very little difference.
So looks like you should definitely go with an Nvidia card then Jaidev. I don't know about you, but for me and casual gaming, I would be more than find with a GTX460 1GB.
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August 30, 2010 11:24:19 PM

^ Actually, seems like you CAN run Dual Channel under some conditions with 3x DIMMs populated: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs...
(Look at: Dual Channel (Interleaved) Mode Configuration with Three DIMMs ). Not sure if this applies to AMD however.

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So looks like you should definitely go with an Nvidia card then Jaidev. I don't know about you, but for me and casual gaming, I would be more than find with a GTX460 1GB.

It all depends on if the OP's running PS CS4/5 and AE CS5. Otherwise, you may as well go AMD due to better bang for buck (at least here in US that's usually true atm).
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August 31, 2010 2:54:37 AM

Shadow703793 said:
Otherwise, you may as well go AMD due to better bang for buck (at least here in US that's usually true atm).

Normally I would agree (I see you've taken a liking to AMD retiring the ATI branding lol) but the GTX460 1GB has no competition at it's pricepoint. The 5830 is a joke at its current price. Other than that, I agree. AMD is the only one with DX11 below $200 and above $250, I think Nvidia is charging a bit much compared to AMD for performance (which is saying something since AMD cards are already ridiculously priced)

And about the dimms, nice link. Looks like we are both wrong, in a way:

Rules to Enable Dual Channel Mode
To achieve Dual Channel mode, the following conditions must be met:

-Matched DIMM configuration in each channel
-Same Density (128MB, 256MB, 512MB, etc.)
-Matched in both Channel A and Channel B memory channels
-Populate symmetrical memory slots (Slot 0 or Slot 1)

So basically, the combined total in the first set of two slots has to be the same as the combined total of the second slots. At least, that's my interpretation. :??: 

I'd also assume AMD implements dual channel in their memory controllers in the same way.
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August 31, 2010 8:51:59 AM

1. So, u mean to say if i buy a pack of 3x2gb modules and put it on mobo then 2x2gb will run in dual channel and the 1x2gb will run in single channel....right ??

now the que. that arises is whether the performance of 2x2gb + 1x2gb(total 6gb) less than only 2x2gb(4 gigs) because of this dual n single channel issue ????

If not then,
i can definitely go for 6gb ram and when i feel upgrading then i'll put the 1x2gb ram from my this rig to my older pc and buy another 2x2gb modules for this rig and utilize all my slots and run in 2 x dual channel (All slots occupied)

Note: i wont need nething more than 8 gb untill my next build (maybe in 2013...if we survive the 21-12-2012.... :p  )


2. and whats the diff. between Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 and Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5
and if gigabyte's better (as m gonna CF in near future), then can i OC the 1600 ddr3 which it will accept as 1333 ddr3 as it doesnt support 1600 directly, like u all suggested for Asus.

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August 31, 2010 4:48:21 PM

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Normally I would agree (I see you've taken a liking to AMD retiring the ATI branding lol) but the GTX460 1GB has no competition at it's pricepoint. The 5830 is a joke at its current price. Other than that, I agree. AMD is the only one with DX11 below $200 and above $250, I think Nvidia is charging a bit much compared to AMD for performance (which is saying something since AMD cards are already ridiculously priced)

Yes, the $200 range is what I was talking about. No idea how prices are in India (the linked sore gave me a 404). And yeah, the GTX460 is a sweet card for the price here in US. The point is, does the OP REALLY need a card like a 460/5770,etc for what he's doing? Hell, my old 8800GTS can still play MW fine at 1680*1050.
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September 1, 2010 11:17:52 AM

enzo matrix said:
Normally I would agree (I see you've taken a liking to AMD retiring the ATI branding lol) but the GTX460 1GB has no competition at it's pricepoint. The 5830 is a joke at its current price. Other than that, I agree. AMD is the only one with DX11 below $200 and above $250, I think Nvidia is charging a bit much compared to AMD for performance (which is saying something since AMD cards are already ridiculously priced)

And about the dimms, nice link. Looks like we are both wrong, in a way:

Rules to Enable Dual Channel Mode
To achieve Dual Channel mode, the following conditions must be met:

-Matched DIMM configuration in each channel
-Same Density (128MB, 256MB, 512MB, etc.)
-Matched in both Channel A and Channel B memory channels
-Populate symmetrical memory slots (Slot 0 or Slot 1)

So basically, the combined total in the first set of two slots has to be the same as the combined total of the second slots. At least, that's my interpretation. :??: 

I'd also assume AMD implements dual channel in their memory controllers in the same way.



1. So, u mean to say if i buy a pack of 3x2gb modules and put it on mobo then 2x2gb will run in dual channel and the 1x2gb will run in single channel....right ??


now the que. that arises is whether the performance of 2x2gb + 1x2gb(total 6gb) less than only 2x2gb(4 gigs) because of this dual n single channel issue ????


If not then,
i can definitely go for 6gb ram and when i feel upgrading then i'll put the 1x2gb ram from my this rig to my older pc and buy another 2x2gb modules for this rig and utilize all my slots and run in 2 x dual channel (All slots occupied)


Note: i wont need nething more than 8 gb untill my next build (maybe in 2013...if we survive the 21-12-2012.... :p  )



2. and whats the diff. between Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 and Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5
and if gigabyte's better (as m gonna CF in near future), then can i OC the 1600 ddr3 which it will accept as 1333 ddr3 as it doesnt support 1600 directly, like u all suggested for Asus.
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September 1, 2010 12:10:06 PM

For the price of 3 x 2GB, you can opt going for 2 x 4GB.. It gives you a total of 8GB straight up leaving you option for adding the same amount later if you feel to.. Not only that, it relieves you from all the confusion analysis of going dual channel + single channel.. As for the difference between those two motherboards, the Asus model is based on the 890gx chipset which has onboard graphics also whereas the Gigabyte model is based on the top of the line 890fx chipset.. I think you get a 16x + 16x crossfire link with the Gigabyte motherboard whereas the Asus model provides 8x + 8x when using two video cards in crossfire (16x for a single video card)..
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September 17, 2010 2:39:48 PM

Go for intel, their memory read/write is far better.
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September 17, 2010 2:45:40 PM

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Go for intel, their memory read/write is far better.

And that makes what, 1% total overall system performance increase potential?
And "Far better" is a very large stretch.
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