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July 2, 2010 9:40:45 AM

I would greatly appreciate your advice in helping me choose the parts for upgrading my video editing pc.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: ASAP

BUDGET RANGE: no limit as long as most bang for the buck and would most suit my purposes.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: video editing 1080 HD, watching 60i 1080HD video, playing starcraft II, websurfing, typing.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: GPU (BFG GTX 260 OC) case (Antec P182), keyboard (Compaq), mouse (Razer Copperhead), speakers 2.1, Windows OS, power supply (Antec Smart Power 2.0 500W), HDD, DVD-RW

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: whatever is reliable, and i will try to find the parts at my local microcenter store before i buy online

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: whatever complements the parts I already have, don't want anything to be held back.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe (never OC before, will i need to get a custom heatsink?)/how will it affect the longevity of my system? SLI OR CROSSFIRE: don't think so, not looking to upgrade for at least another 2-3 years. by then, buying a single new card is probably better right? not looking to play any new games other than starcraft II.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050 at the moment, would like a 1920x1080 monitor

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: quiet would be nice, but i don't really care that much.

Thank you so much ^_^
July 2, 2010 10:02:45 AM

Well for video editing and best bang for the buck, then the AMD Phenom II X6 would be a very good option...
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - Gigabyte 870A
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
GSKillz 4GB DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And overclocking wont affect the longevity of the PC if done correctly(Stay within the specified voltage limits and temps) And yes an aftermarket cooler would be good if you want to overclock...
CPU Cooler -
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
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July 2, 2010 10:06:22 AM

Having a 500w Power Supply, that somewhat limits what you're able to do. That doesn't mean you can't still have an awesome system though. :D 

Anyways, I'll just throw something together to give a starting point. You and/or other people can edit it as you see fit. I've calculated this system, and it draws less than 500w according to the calculator I used.

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield @ 2.8GHz:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

ASUS P6X58D-E:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

GeIL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB (x2 in RAID 0):
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

This comes to $848.95. There are some places you could save money on, but you didn't specify a budget so I didn't worry too much about pricing. Something like this should do great for both gaming and editting.

Good luck.


EDIT: gkay09 beat me to it. I never realized how cheap the X6 was; I thought it was twice that. I'd go with his configuration ;) 
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July 2, 2010 10:14:00 AM

^ The i7 9xx are also very good options...
Another reason why your build costs more apart from the cheaper AMD is that is you have linked to newegg Canada website...
And as he lives near a Microcenter, he can get the i7 9xx cheap...
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July 2, 2010 10:35:18 AM

gkay09 said:
^ The i7 9xx are also very good options...
Another reason why your build costs more apart from the cheaper AMD is that is you have linked to newegg Canada website...


Still only $202 on the .ca website; I was just under the impression it was much more expensive than that :p 
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July 2, 2010 11:02:55 AM

^ Well you dint add the fees and shipping that newegg.ca would add, so in the end, it would cost comparatively higher...
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July 2, 2010 3:00:46 PM

Ah thanks so much guys, that really helped.

I searched online and it seems that i7 930 is better than the x6 1055 sooo if that's true...i would go for the i7 930 cuz they both cost the same price at microcenter (US$200) .... however, the other parts i need for i7 seem like they will cost more.

Correct me if im wrong, but the 6gb ram that i7 can support would be better for video editing right? and then for the mobo, i have read that running multiple gpus doesn't help with video editing/rendering at all, only playback. soo i don't need an sli mobo right? or just not tri/quad sli, in the case that they don't make non sli lga 1366 mobos.

thanks again
^_^
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July 2, 2010 5:44:55 PM

fantasie said:
Ah thanks so much guys, that really helped.

I searched online and it seems that i7 930 is better than the x6 1055 sooo if that's true...i would go for the i7 930 cuz they both cost the same price at microcenter (US$200) .... however, the other parts i need for i7 seem like they will cost more. Correct me if im wrong, but the 6gb ram that i7 can support would be better for video editing right?


I'm not sure whether or not it's better, but I think it's safe to say that you'd be happy with either. AMD gear tends to be less expensive, but that's just how it is. Having more RAM would definitely be a bonus for editing. You have a 64-Bit OS right? 32-Bit OS's can only utilize 3GB of RAM or less.

fantasie said:
and then for the mobo, i have read that running multiple gpus doesn't help with video editing/rendering at all, only playback. soo i don't need an sli mobo right? or just not tri/quad sli, in the case that they don't make non sli lga 1366 mobos.

thanks again
^_^


Yeah, video rendering will be done by your CPU. A single video card will be just fine for what you're doing. It doesn't really matter what MoBo you get, but there's no point purposely buying a tri/quad SLI board.

Good luck,


- Jesse
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July 2, 2010 9:21:25 PM

thx thx thx! =]

alright, after hours and hours of research
i think im almost there
i am pretty sure im gona get the i7 930 - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
and then EVGA X58 SLI LE LGA 1366 X58 ATX Motherboard - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
a 6gb Corsair ddr3 1600 ram - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

how does that look. i chose those cuz they have good prices for them at microcenter with rebates+instant savings

come down to 680USD tax included. Then I'd get 50USD back in rebates. Yeah...hmmm just noticed they said they are out of stock of the ram i wanted at my microcenter store ;/ i will go check out fry's today too.
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July 2, 2010 9:25:53 PM

o and if anyone was also interested in my build

these are some other mobos that i had a hard time choosing between and also seemed very good choices

ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
EuP Ready, Tom’s Hardware 2009 Recommended Buy - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or
the ASUS P6X58D-E Pyroflea recommended
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I don't know that much about monitors but THIS seems like very worth the money -> http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-2019s-VX2250WM-LED-21-5...
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July 2, 2010 9:26:18 PM

Looks like a great system to me. As long as you're getting a good deal on all of it, which it sounds like you are, then I'd say you'll be more than happy with it's performance.

EDIT: I just recommended that board due to the fact that it has USB3 and Sata3, and it seemed to be pretty good overall. I've had good like with Asus. Evga makes great products, and I've never had experience with ASRock so I can't comment :p 
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July 2, 2010 9:44:47 PM

since ram speed differences are rather unnoticeable i might get this instead cuz they ran out the corsairs ones i want.

Extreme Performance Gaming Series DDR3 6GB (3 x 2GB) PC3-12800 Enhanced Latency DIMM Kit - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

AAAAAAAAAgh so many choices...the more i look the more i find...makes me feel like im going to go crazzy @_@ x_X xD

@$#%()&@$^)*(&@$%
If I were going to get a new PSU too, what what would you recommend? I'm getting buyer's high, can u feel it? :D 
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July 2, 2010 10:03:33 PM

That RAM will be just fine as well :p 

For PSU's, I like Corsair, Seasonic, and Antec personally. This system will run on your current PSU, so you don't need anything major. I think a 650w unit would give you plenty of headroom. Make sure it's 80-plus certified as well :) 
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July 2, 2010 10:29:49 PM

Lower timings do mean that there is less latency, which means that in theory it does run faster. I think the more expensive RAM is probably just more for overclocking, or has higher performing RAM modules on-board or something. I'm not entirely sure why it's so much more expensive. The other stuff will be just fine though.
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July 3, 2010 7:04:03 AM

If you have the money get 24GB. 6x4GB. Or get 3 4GB now and add the other 12GB later. You can't have too much memory when editing HD video. I started with 6GB and went to 12Gb and then 24GB. I use 16GB with the other 8GB as a ram scratch disk. You will not believe how much time this will save you. There is a big difference if you do a lot of editing. It's expensive but worth it.
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July 3, 2010 11:49:15 AM

turk_1000 said:
If you have the money get 24GB. 6x4GB. Or get 3 4GB now and add the other 12GB later. You can't have too much memory when editing HD video. I started with 6GB and went to 12Gb and then 24GB. I use 16GB with the other 8GB as a ram scratch disk. You will not believe how much time this will save you. There is a big difference if you do a lot of editing. It's expensive but worth it.


interesting..how exactly does it makes things faster? what exactly would it make faster? because when I had 2 gb of ram, while editing, things went tolerably fast for me, it was just the rendering that was ridiculously slow.... took over an hour to render a 30fps 6mbps 10min 1080p clip

The HD videos I edit are all mostly gona be youtube length, meaning 11min long maximum. Do you think I will really need that much?

http://www.amazon.com/Komputerbay-1600Mhz-12800-Heatspr...

that seems like a good deal/reliable, right?

thanks for your advice =)
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July 12, 2010 8:34:44 PM

Sorry for the late reply. That RAM should be fine if you are not overclocking. Run memtest on it when you get it. Easy to get a bad stick of RAM.

I use SuperSpeed RamDisk. It takes a block of memory and makes it a disk. It's about 40 times faster than a hard drive. If you are doing lots of files or large ones it helps a lot. If you make the RamDisk your scratch drive the program should not use the hard drive except to read the file and then copy the edited file back.

One nice thing about this program is it can use the extra memory on a 32 bit OS. You can run 32 bit Windows with 12GB and use 3GB or 4GB for the OS and the rest as a RamDisk.

If they have a trial version give it a shot. I would run a bunch of test files first. Lots of different sizes. Install RamDisk and run them all again. See if it helps.
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July 12, 2010 11:23:12 PM

Unbelievable ... You guys are just unbelievable.

Some of you definately know better, too ... The damage has already been done.

CLUE#1 ... Start with the exact sw toolsets you will be using and the codecs and bitrates you will be working with.

Editing? ... Could be $1,200 or $12,000 ... Volume of output also plays into it.

Live and learn ... X58 is prolly a good bet (for anything) but the choice of GPU (hardly mentionned) is totally central and X58 could be costing $300 more than you need to spend.

What-ev-er .... live-n-learn

Search my most recent threads if you wan't the specific poop.

= G'Luck ! = (yer definately gonna need it).

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