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July 2, 2010 7:44:08 PM

Hey everyone,

My last post is a bit outdated (ran into some financial problems and that delayed it by three months) and now I am looking for some responses if there should be any changes to my build. Currently Newegg has a "Coupon Frenzy" event going on and I believe it applies to the Canadian side of Newegg and also you are allowed up to 5 coupons per order on each item. I think anyways. Here's my build!

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Within the next seven days

BUDGET: $1400-$2000 (If $2000, it must include the monitor and shipping)

SYSTEM USAGE: XSI/Softimage and 3D Studio Max. gaming, Adobe CS4/5 Suite, other applications, and watching movies.
Modeling/Rendering goes hand in hand in terms of priority with gaming.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Speakers and OS.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S): Newegg.ca (Would like to stick to one website so the shipping cost is low. Though, willing to buy a monitor from somewhere else, like Dell)

PARTS PREFERENCES: Open to suggestions so not really any preferences.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No thank-you.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 24" - 1980x1020 or 1920x1200 .

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
Video Card: It appears ATI are pushing out better video cards but would a Nvidia card be better with CUDA and that new "Fermi?" Still, I think a Radeon 5850 would be a better choice. If so which one is listed for a good price. Found one months ago for $339. Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't care if I have a Intel or AMD CPU; I just want whatever is best for my PC usage. I know most recommend AMD to gamers and Intel for business use, but which would be good for my situation?

I know a HDD is obsolete to a SSD but I think I will wait for a price drop as being a starving student sucks. :p 

As for monitors I have a separate list and I'm still trying to decide on one. If anyone would like to offer their opinion please do so. Main concern: IPS vs TN.

Here's the list:

i5-750 and Asus P7P55D-E Pro
Combo Price: $378.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB)
$108.49 (x2)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW
$24.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

COOLER MASTER HAF 922
$109.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3
$79.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Antec EarthWatts EA750
$139.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
$59.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse - Black - OEM
$10.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black 104 Normal Keys USB Wired Standard Keyboard
$12.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Missing
GPU
Monitor

Monitor list:
Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP - S-PVA (Cnet review $599)
HP LP2475w - IPS ($589.99)
NEC EA241WM-BK - TN ($405.99 - $489.99)
HP ZR24W - S-IPS (H2-IPS) (Price: $425.00*)
HP LP2475w - IPS ($510.61 - $598.95)
NEC EA231WMI-BK - IPS ($334.99 - $577.04)
Dell UltraSharp U2410 - IPS($499.00)
NEC MultiSync EA231WMI-BK - IPS 23" ($334.99 - $577.04) (Response time to high for gaming?)

Total without GPU and monitor: 1033.9
What's a good GPU and monitor? :( 

All I know is I'm leaning towards a Radeon 5850 and Dell UltraSharp U2410 or HP ZR24W

Looking forward to your responses,

Keithley

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July 2, 2010 8:06:10 PM

For your uses CUDA would behelpful so I would opt for an nvidia 470gtx. And as for the monitor do you really want an expensive one like that? I'd get a 250dollar one if I were you. And with the money saved I'd add in an SSD
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July 3, 2010 1:59:59 AM

Thanks for the response. I'll keep the 470 GTX in mind. Going to check out some reviews on it first. Would you recommend an AMD based processor or an Intel? As for monitors, I would like a cheaper one but I believe a IPS based monitor would be more beneficial than a cheap TN panel. If not, would you know a good 24" TN panel on Newegg that would be good for photo editing but also have a decent response time?
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July 3, 2010 2:54:18 AM

Unlikely to get back to this before tomorrow, but can I ask a couple of questions?

Are you doing the rendering/modeling for work, or just as a hobby? If hobby only, I suspect a TN panel will be fine. If you can, you might try going to a local store (if there is one in the area) and see if they can show you the differences between TN & IPS. The Dell monitor is, however, pretty well-regarded. And if you haven't looked at the LCD thread at Anandtech, I highly recommend reading through it.

My other question is related...if rendering/modeling is equally important as gaming, have you ruled out getting an i7 for hyperthreading? If you end up getting an IPS monitor, your budget is a little short of getting an i7-930. That means, however, that you fall into the very small niche of people (though the 2nd today) where I think the i7-860 is appropriate for the budget.

If the applications that you're using take advantage of CUDA (and I believe they do), then yes, the 470 is a good idea. Otherwise, the 5850 offers better value. It looks like they start at about $300 right now, though I guess they're not having a Canada Day sale (they are doing an Independence Day sale...)? I'd get the 2nd cheapest XFX 5850 (also 2nd cheapest overall), just because it vents the air out of the case. I'd be comfortable with any of the non-Powercolor cards, though.

Don't pay $60 for the Hyper212+. It's a fine value cooler, but it's not worth more than $30-35. In the US, you can still find it for $30 at amazon. If you're willing to spend $60, check out Frostytech's top "5" heatsinks and see what they recommend that fits your budget.

Other than that, your base build looks pretty good.
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July 3, 2010 3:27:17 AM

I can save you some money.
Order some of your components through Newegg as for the rest use these links and pricematch at NCIX also free Purolator ground shipping.
DVD
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46792&vpn=SH%2DS...
CASE - i have no idea why they have changed the description to mini it's regular 922
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=19461BE0217&v...
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=49226&vpn=RC%2D6...
PSU
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26415&vpn=CMPSU%...
HSF
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/218427/RR-B10-212P-GP...
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July 3, 2010 6:54:32 PM

coldsleep said:
Unlikely to get back to this before tomorrow, but can I ask a couple of questions?

Are you doing the rendering/modeling for work, or just as a hobby? If hobby only, I suspect a TN panel will be fine. If you can, you might try going to a local store (if there is one in the area) and see if they can show you the differences between TN & IPS. The Dell monitor is, however, pretty well-regarded. And if you haven't looked at the LCD thread at Anandtech, I highly recommend reading through it.

My other question is related...if rendering/modeling is equally important as gaming, have you ruled out getting an i7 for hyperthreading? If you end up getting an IPS monitor, your budget is a little short of getting an i7-930. That means, however, that you fall into the very small niche of people (though the 2nd today) where I think the i7-860 is appropriate for the budget.

If the applications that you're using take advantage of CUDA (and I believe they do), then yes, the 470 is a good idea. Otherwise, the 5850 offers better value. It looks like they start at about $300 right now, though I guess they're not having a Canada Day sale (they are doing an Independence Day sale...)? I'd get the 2nd cheapest XFX 5850 (also 2nd cheapest overall), just because it vents the air out of the case. I'd be comfortable with any of the non-Powercolor cards, though.

Don't pay $60 for the Hyper212+. It's a fine value cooler, but it's not worth more than $30-35. In the US, you can still find it for $30 at amazon. If you're willing to spend $60, check out Frostytech's top "5" heatsinks and see what they recommend that fits your budget.

Other than that, your base build looks pretty good.


The modeling and rendering will be for work in the near future (school now), but I think a TN panel will do just fine as where we model and render away from home uses them and they seem fine. I just wasn't sure if spending the extra cash would be worth it on a monitor or not.

As for the i7 I have not ruled it out, but I have been told before that it does not really fit well in a budget of under $2000. If you believe it would be good in my build, what motherboard would you recommend as well that supports it and if a bonus, USB 3.0?

I believe CUDA is only supported in a small amount of programs that I use. As for the 470 vs 5850 I'm still unsure of which I should get. I really liked how the 5850 was more quiet and dispersed heat more efficiently though.

Finally a cooler. This question is for Davcon. Thank you for finding other websites where I can get better deals on my parts. Not trying to sound rude but are those websites trusted? This will be my first time actually ordering online. Secondly, is the free Purolator ground shipping apply in Canada?

Thanks again guys and hopefully I gave back the info you required. Once I find out about shipping and new parts I will update my list and hopefully it's within my budget range. Looking forward to hearing back,

Keithley

PS: How does this monitor look? Hopefully the link will work:
ASUS VK246H Black 24"
$229.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


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July 3, 2010 7:02:48 PM

The socket 1366 i7s don't fit well under $2k, but I find that the i7-860/875K works well for $1200-1500 cross-functional builds. You could go with an i5-750, but for ~$100 more, you get hyperthreading on top of an i5-750. I wouldn't recommend going for an i7-930. There's a combo for the 875K and the same mobo for about $100 more.

The best P55 mobo with USB3/SATA 6 Gb/s I have been able to find is the ASUS P7P55D-E Pro, for $CAN 185. So, uh...the same board you already had.
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July 3, 2010 7:17:24 PM

The i7 875k is a magnificant cpu. I think I'd rather have it than my 930.

As for the 470/5850 dilemna. The 470 isn't loud at all if that was putting you of. Your Hard drive is louder.

If you'd make a use of CUDA occasionally I'd go for the 470 otherwise the 5850.
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July 3, 2010 9:16:24 PM

GPU must be nVidia OpenGL 3.x ... Sounds like you are serious about hi-rez fps gaming or I would set you up with a Zotac 250 or a PNY 9800GT-EE(PB) ...

... ATi is NOT an option with your selected tool-sets ... ATi is great for games but the graphics industry (as a whole) does not support/certify/recommend RADEONs ...

You want an i7-860 CPU (definately) and we no longer recommend the Hyper 212+ because of price gouging, but you can get it for $30 plus shipping, almost anywhere other than newegg .... Most folks are opting for Scythe coolers, at the moment.

You will need a 2nd HDD ... I recommend a Spinpoint F3 500GB (boot/apps) and a Spinpoint F3 1TB (content and scratch) ... You want a 250GB "fast primary" partition on the content drive ... the rest of the capacity can be assigned to secondary partition for archives and "crummy apps".

A FERMI 470 looks like the only viable option, at this time, to meet ALL your requirements.

A FERMI 470 will meet all graphics requirements and will also game like the dickens ... While ... An ATi card games very well, but is not suited for many graphics apps and plugins.

One look at turnkey graphics/edit workstations will prove all these (my) assertations as true and correct.

Get a corsair 750W PSU and a 120mm single-vertical stack (heat-pipe) cooler with a push-pull fan config ... Zahlman, Noctua, Rosewill, Hyper 212+, Megahalems, etc. all make this config.

I like your ram ... G.Skill also makes eco-series ram for the same price and at the exact same timings ... just does not have the taller heat spreaders ... better for tighter fits.

I would suggest a mobo that does not employ an IGP (onbd gpu) because the heat-sinks can get in the way of other stuff (cooler and cards).

... Those are initial thots ... I may do a complete build for you ... in a few days ... let me see what you can come up with ...

... Please paste full product descriptions, as well as links (because links are flakey, lately).

= Al =
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July 3, 2010 9:25:58 PM

Alvin Smith said:
GPU must be nVidia OpenGL 3.x ... Sounds like you are serious about hi-rez fps gaming or I would set you up with a Zotac 250 or a PNY 9800GT-EE(PB) ...


Alvin, you do know that with the 10.6 Catalyst drivers, ATI 5nnn series cards support OpenGL 3.3 and 4.0, right?

That being said, if your applications can make use of CUDA, nVidia is still the way to go.

P.S. The OP is in canada, so newegg.ca might be a little more useful, at least as far as accurate pricing.
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July 3, 2010 11:19:50 PM

Well, COOL, ...

Everyone (you too) knows that one would be hard pressed to find even one large builder of ANY graphics or edit turnkey pre-built system (like not ANY?) that would even consider using/employing ANY sort of ATi product as the GPU ... certainly not any builder we would all recognize.

Why do you suppose that is ?? It is because everybody uses Quadros and 9800GTs to test and certify ... and I do mean (pretty much) ev-rybody.

That is not to say that you will not (with infrequency) discover a FirePro/GL on some qualified lists but, accross the board ??? COME-ON ??? You are not actually kidding your own self, are you ?

Simply put, most/many pro graphics and edit apps developers (for whatever reasons), only test and certify with nVidia products and only bother to write to those products and extensions, as a rule ...

Can an Ati product run this app, or that plug-in, without locking up ??? Be sure and let us ALL know ... prolly be fine ... just about most of the time ... maybe.

I have yet to see any major production house or system builder (turnkey pro graphics/edit) use, certify or recommend ATi product, for full-suite platforms.

Sorry that the OP lives in Canada ... Guess he must not be capable of translating english or searching "egg.ca".


BTW ... COOL ... I did not drop into this thread to drop my special little turds, all over the place ... The OP specifically invited my opinion (via PM), to this thread ... Take it or leave it ...

As far as those super fancy reference video monitors, you are ALWAYS harping about ... I would recommend only if you are truly broadcaster or if your output will be going into glossy magazine print or if you are doing expensive Art prints ...

... Otherwise ... much like audio ... Why not master on the equipment most folks will use, to listen and view the content. ... I edit video on the same HDTVs folks will use to view it.

As far as the ATi vs. nVidia and the "Gaming vs. Graphics" conflict goes ... I will leave you with this thot:

An nVidia FERMI is MUCH better at gaming than any RADEON has ever been (historically), for any serious graphics app (suite+Plugs).

If the OP wants any further input, from Alvin, he knows where to find him. I came here only by request and now I shall go.

= Al =
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July 4, 2010 3:06:16 AM

Thanks again for all the help guys. I don't want to start a flame war but I requested a lot of you fine gentlemen to help me out - as this is a big cut into my savings and will impact my future. I really appreciate all the help you guys have to offer in such little time. Here is my updated list, there is a few things I'm still confused on such as the PSU/Cooler, ram and what type of manufacturer is good for a GTX 470. Also, I found the source of the problem with the links too. They are being redirected through a, correct me if I'm wrong, name server? The domain (dpbolvw.net I think) it originally goes through is conflicting with the Newegg one. Hopefully these links will work, if not I will upload a text document with my full list. The price (* item) is calculated without taxes and shipping. Of course, if I go with a different part I'll update it in the future. On with the new list!

CPU/MOBO:
* Intel Core i7-875K BX80605I7875K + ASUS P7P55D-E Pro
Combo Price: $474.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

or

Intel Core i7-860 BX80605I7860
$299.96
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

What MOBO would you recommend to fit with the i7-860 if it's better than the 875k and also does not employ the onboard gpu (IGP)?

Thoughts: Is the price difference really worth it on the 875k? Not to mention the i7-860 comes with a heatsink and a fan included. I won't be upgrading this computer for a few years so if it's worth the extra amount I'm willing to spend.

CASE:
* COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP
$99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

HDD:
* Main HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ (1TB)
$79.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

* Secondary HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB
$56.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

PSU:
* CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
$115.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Missing: Cooler? Estimating $40 for the final amount.

DVD DRIVE:
* SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW
$24.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

MOUSE:
* Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse - Black - OEM
$10.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

KEYBOARD:
* LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black 104 Normal Keys USB Wired Standard Keyboard
$12.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GPU:
* ZOTAC ZT-40201-10P GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi)
$335.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM:
* G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB)
$108.49 (x2)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Thoughts: which model is the eco-series which is compatible with my choices?

MONITOR:
* ASUS VK246H Black 24"
$229.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Thoughts: I've had bad experiences with ViewSonic. Not to mention right now I still have two VA1912wb ones. Thanks for the suggestion though. Is there any others you could recommend or should I just go with the ASUS one?

PRICE: $1698.38 CAD. Includes an estimated +$40 for a cooler

Now I believe that's everything. If I missed something out or if my calculation was inaccurate feel free to mention it. It takes me hours to post these because I'm also researching the parts, reviews, comparisons, and little specifications on each piece. Hoping to hear back from you guys soon,

Keithley
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July 4, 2010 6:42:30 AM

Looks good.

I would get the i7 875k. It is unlocked meaning OCing is easier, more customisable(changeable turbo) and more fun :D . Also it doesn't come with a noisy,crappy cooler which means the warrenty isn't voided if you put a bettter one on. And from what I understand it's also binned for better performance. If I'm correct it's binned like the i7 870.

as for the cooler I know this one is pretty good but maybe a little expensive. http://www.amazon.com/Scythe-Mugen-2-SCMG-2100-74-25CFM...

It's the scythe mugen 2 if the link doesn't work
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July 4, 2010 3:12:12 PM

I'd stick with the same mobo for the i7-860. The P7P55D-E Pro is an excellent motherboard with about all of the future-resistant options you can find on a P55 board.

As somebody_007 mentions, the i7-875K is unlocked, and it's only $20 more for a .13 GHz increase in clock speed over the i7-860. That might not be worth it if they were charging $50+, but it's certainly worth $20.

Here's a link to the ECO series - CAS 7, 1600 MHz. Same price as the Ripjaws you have linked.

As far as I know, the 470s are still mostly reference designs, so there isn't a lot of difference between manufacturers. Zotac, EVGA, and PNY are the ones I hear about most, but I don't have enough experience with all of them to recommend one over any other.

Here are some links to Frostytech's top Intel heatsinks:
Thermaltake Frio
Noctua NH-D14 - probably too spendy
Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme

According to the most recent info I can find from the Spire Thermax Eclipse review, the Tuniq Tower 120 offers the 2nd best cooling along with the lowest noise in the top 20. I have the Tuniq myself, and it seems to work pretty well. Haven't put it through its paces yet, but I'm satisfied so far.

Other than that, you could see if something else in frostytech's recommendations matches your budget better. Scythe is known for making quality, low-noise HSFs.

The ASUS monitor looks fine. If you want something with LED backlighting, Hanns-G is a reputable manufacturer.
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July 4, 2010 7:58:56 PM

Alright updating with:

CPU/MOBO:
* Intel Core i7-875K BX80605I7875K + ASUS P7P55D-E Pro
Combo Price: $474.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

CASE:
* COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP
$99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

HDD:
* Main HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ (1TB)
$79.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

* Secondary HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB
$56.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

PSU:
* CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
$115.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

DVD DRIVE:
* SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW
$24.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

MOUSE:
* Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse - Black - OEM
$10.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

KEYBOARD:
* LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black 104 Normal Keys USB Wired Standard Keyboard
$12.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GPU:
* ZOTAC ZT-40201-10P GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi)
$335.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

MONITOR:
* ASUS VK246H Black 24"
$229.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

RAM:
* G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2 x 2GB)
$108.49 (x2)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

HEATSINK:
Thermaltake CLP0564
$59.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

Thoughts: Went with this heatsink because the RPM, air flow, and noise levels seemed the best over other stated ones. Somebody_007, does Amazon ship free to Canada? Scythe sounds better but I’m trying to keep the cost low as I can. If the cooler is worth spending an extra $10 on shipping I will. Keep in mind it’s USD but cheaper than the Thermaltake one. Final note on this, does this include a "120mm single-vertical stack (heat-pipe) cooler with a push-pull fan config?" Trying to maximize the most out of this build so if there's little things that would greatly improve performance or prolong my computers life I'm willing to look into it.

The ASUS VK246H seems decent too. I stumbled upon a review from a fellow member and if anyone is interested in checking it out, head over to:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/54250-3-asus-vk246h-r...

I'm fairly confident this monitor will provide adequate quality for my school work. A fellow class mate of mine uses a Acer P244W and that looks great to me - despite its poor reviews.

Also going to stick with: Intel Core i7-875K BX80605I7875K + ASUS P7P55D-E Pro

... Unless someone shows a better deal or has a more viable CPU for my requirements.

Total on *'d items: $1718.37 CAD - Without taxes and shipping.

That looks like everything for now. I may place my order once the list gets cleaned up and maybe exclude the monitor and perhaps continue looking around or post on the flat-panel section of the boards and see if anyone knows of a better 24". Got to run! Late for watching a movie with my girlfriend and she's angry I'm spending hours looking at this stuff, ha ha. Take care guys,

Keithley

Edit: Had "¬¬¬¬¬ " on a line. :( 
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July 4, 2010 9:20:43 PM

Ok everything looks good exept I have no knowledge about monitors so I can't help you there. And the cooler looks good but is a bit on the expensoive side. I myself live in Belgium and amazon uk and de ship free to here or for a few euros. I can only assume this will be the same with amazon.com, You can always create an account to test it out though. And it is a single vertical-stack cooler(If that means what I think it does) and no it isn't in a push-and pull config since it only comes with 1 fan. You can add one though to change this.

Have fun :D 
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July 4, 2010 9:36:41 PM

Don't see why you aren't going i7-930. It's better for your needs.


Case
HAF 922 $100
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Monitor
Asus 23.6" $200
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

It's actually pretty noticeably different in size. I've got the 24" you linked, and use this one as a second. They're identical i swear...

PSU
750TX $116
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

HD
F3 1tB $80
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Start with just this one. HD get cheaper, so just get another if once you need it. 1TB is a lot of space.

GPU
GTX 470 $335.50
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM
G SKill Pi 1600 Cas 7 $175.50
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

HSf
Scythe Mugen $36
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

CPU/MOBO
i7-930 and P7P55D-E $514
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

Optical $23
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Total: $1582 before shipping taxes and rebates
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July 4, 2010 10:40:23 PM

CPU/MOBO:
* Intel Core i7-875K BX80605I7875K + ASUS P7P55D-E Pro
Combo Price: $474.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

CASE:
* COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP
$99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

HDD:
* Main HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ (1TB)
$79.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

PSU:
* CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
$115.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

DVD DRIVE:
* SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW
$24.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

MOUSE:
* Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse - Black - OEM
$10.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

KEYBOARD:
* LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black 104 Normal Keys USB Wired Standard Keyboard
$12.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GPU:
* ZOTAC ZT-40201-10P GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi)
$335.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

MONITOR:
* ASUS VH242H Black 23.6"
$189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:
* G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2 x 2GB)
$108.49 (x2)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

HEATSINK:
Scythe SCMG-2100 Sleeve CPU Cooler
$37.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

PRICE: $1639.38 CAD before taxes and shipping.

Thoughts: Alright! Getting pretty excited because this is almost or is complete! Banthracis, the reason I went with that CPU is because it seems slightly better and with the MOBO and the combo price is cheaper. The reason I was also going for that MOBO is because it has 4 memory slots and that is all I require with the RAM I am purchasing. Thought 2 extra slots would be nice, I think 8GB RAM will be more than necessary. If I went with the ASUS P6X58D-E the RAM and also the CPU would not be compatable, would it? Since the Socket type is LGA 1366.

Anyways, if the CPU/MOBO is fine being the i7-875k and ASUS P7P55D-E, then I believe my list is done. The monitor you picked out looks great and can save a little bit of extra money. I don't really need an upstream usb and also a webcam on my monitor (that and the minor size difference). Also going to stick with the DVD drive I originally picked because for $2 CAD more I can also burn CDs in comparison to the slightly cheaper one.

Thank you so much everyone! I will await for some responses to see if everything looks in order and if it does, in a few weeks I will post some screenshots of my new baby. Take care guys,

Keithley :) 
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July 4, 2010 11:22:13 PM

Banthracis' build is also quite good.

Originally I suggested going with the P55 thinking that you were going to get an IPS monitor. If you stick with the $200ish TNs, you could certainly get an i7-930 as banthracis suggests.

That being said, either build should meet your needs.
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July 5, 2010 12:33:56 AM

Optical I linked is a burner.

The 875 is just an i7-860 that's unlocked. It's actually not worth the price premium over an 860 as it isn't even binned separately, so it doesn't OC any better.

Quote:
Our perceptions changed when Intel told us that they will not be binning these processors in a special way or marketing them at die-hard overclockers, but instead at system builders who can utilize the unlocked core features to provide cheap pre-overclocked systems with minimal fuss.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/3742/intels-core-i5655k-c...


The i7-875 has the same weakness as every other p55 chip, namely the lack of PCIe lanes and tri channel memory support.

For a heavy graphic editing build, especially a RAM intensive one, tri channel does make quite a difference.

Any DDR3 RAM is compatible with any mobo that supports DDR3 as long as voltages are within specs.
Tri channel merely requires RAM in multiple of 3 DIMMS, as opposed to 2 for dual channel.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the i7-875k is more money for a worse CPU than an i7-930.
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July 5, 2010 12:40:36 AM

I just did a video editing build with an i7 930, and you can use these specs as "reference"

I opted not to get the GTX 470 since I won't be gaming much on it now - down the road I will definitely be getting it.


CPU + MOBO
- i7 930 + ASUS P6X58D-E

You should definitely go with the i7-860

RAM - CORSAIR XMS3 6GB 1600c7

SSD Boot Drive - 120 GB SSD OCZ Vertex Series - Boot Drive

HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1 TB

GPU - ZOTAC GeForce GTS 250

PSU - CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-650HX

HS - NH-D14 Cooler + 2 x 140mm Noctua NF-P14 Exhaust fans + 120mm rear fan

In your case, you're fine with the Scythe - it comes a close 2nd to the NH-D14, and it's a very good cooler

Burner - Samsung DVD Burner

Case - 690 II Advanced case
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July 5, 2010 3:09:07 AM

banthracis said:
Optical I linked is a burner.

The 875 is just an i7-860 that's unlocked. It's actually not worth the price premium over an 860 as it isn't even binned separately, so it doesn't OC any better.

Quote:
Our perceptions changed when Intel told us that they will not be binning these processors in a special way or marketing them at die-hard overclockers, but instead at system builders who can utilize the unlocked core features to provide cheap pre-overclocked systems with minimal fuss.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/3742/intels-core-i5655k-c...


The i7-875 has the same weakness as every other p55 chip, namely the lack of PCIe lanes and tri channel memory support.

For a heavy graphic editing build, especially a RAM intensive one, tri channel does make quite a difference.

Any DDR3 RAM is compatible with any mobo that supports DDR3 as long as voltages are within specs.
Tri channel merely requires RAM in multiple of 3 DIMMS, as opposed to 2 for dual channel.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the i7-875k is more money for a worse CPU than an i7-930.


If the G.Skill Eco Series ram works fine with the MOBO and CPU Banthracis suggested (i7-930 and P7P55D-E $514) then I guess I will get that RAM, MOBO and CPU choice. It's still a bit confusing which CPU to get but from my understanding the 1366 MOBO supports "future 6-core CPUs and support SLI/CF @ dual 16x,and also tend to OC better;on the other hand,socket 1156 motherboards don't support 6-core CPUs and support SLI/CF @ dual 8x(not a huge difference though)." Taken from Maziar's post here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/283006-28-875k

Oh and tri channel memory support.

So with my last post's content and with switching out the CPU/MOBO combo, and adding the new:

CPU/MOBO
i7-930 and P7P55D-E
$513.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

That brings my total to $1678.38 CAD.
After rebated: $1638.38 CAD

Does everything look good? Is there a better option for RAM? I would like a minimum of 8GB. Would it be better to fill up each DIMM with a stick of RAM? Isn't that how tri channel memory functions? As in, should I buy extra RAM just to fill each DIMM? Edit: Are the G.Skill Eco's: Timing: 7-8-7-24-2N, Voltage: 1.35V compatible or fit well with the MOBO?

My final question is: should I buy extra fans for better cooling? This is the first time I will be building a computer and I believe my case supports it. Looking of kg2010's list I wasn't sure if I should opt for an extra exhaust fan. I think the case comes with two stock fans.

PS, yea that optical on newegg.ca doesn't say it includes a cd burner. Even one of the reviews says they overlooked that.

Keithley



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July 5, 2010 3:38:03 AM

Well if you want the 922 to really shine just add another 200mm side fan. It's actually he exact same fan as the 932, don't ask me why they label them as 230mm for the 932, but 200 for the 922. You don't have to get it off the bat. If your temps seem high, then go for it.

For a x58 chipset, you'll want trichannel. So you should get that Pi kit I recommended. Triple channel means you need to occupy RAM slots in multiples of 3. So it's either 6gb or 12gb. Honestly, don't think you'll see much difference btwn 6 and 8gb.
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July 5, 2010 4:59:09 AM

Cool thanks Banthracis... and everyone else :)  I will re-swap out the ram to the Pi kit you originally recommended for the trichannel. I found the exact fan that is in the case:

EXTRA FAN:
COOLER MASTER Megaflow 200mm
$15.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

I think I will get it because it's not too much more and would probably be great for where my tower sits right now. Besides that would getting 12gb ram over 6gb be over kill or actually worth it when I'm using CS5/Softimage(XSI). I know Softimage has a tendency to slow down quite a bit so you have to constantly freeze and save your projects. It slows down especially when you're texturing directly onto it via having photoshop open with Softimage. If you believe it will be worth it or help with render times I will spend the extra on it. Finally my FINAL list (I think) is:

CPU/Mobo
Intel Core i7-930 BX80601930 + ASUS P6X58D-E
Combo Price: $513.99

Case
COOLER MASTER HAF 922
$99.99

HDD
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ (1TB)
$79.99

PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
$115.99

Optical
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW
$24.99

Mouse
Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse - Black - OEM
$10.49

Keyboard
LITE-ON SK-1688U/B
$12.49

GPU
ZOTAC ZT-40201-10P GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi)
$335.49

Monitor
ASUS VH242H Black 23.6"
$189.99

RAM
G SKill Pi 1600 Cas 7
$175.50 (x2 maybe)

Heatsink
Scythe SCMG-2100 Sleeve CPU Cooler
$37.99

Extra fan
COOLER MASTER Megaflow 200mm
$15.99

PRICE: $1788.39 CAD.
With 6GB RAM instead: $1612.89 CAD
Rebates:
$10.00 USD Mail-In Rebate on PSU
$10.00 USD Mail-In Rebate on Monitor
$20.00 USD Mail-In Rebate on GPU
PRICE AFTER REBATES: $1748.39 CAD.
With 6GB RAM instead: $1572.89 CAD.

This does not include taxes and shipping.

If everything seems just splendid then I will consider this list done and place my order :)  Thanks again,

Keithley

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July 5, 2010 5:05:39 AM

Hey Keithley,

If you're switching to the i7-930, you need a new mobo.

I suggest this one: ASUS P6X58D-E

I researched ALL x58 mobos in this and higher price ranges, and it came down to ASUS P6X58D-E vs
the GA-X58A-UD3R - The gigabyte had too many issues that popped up, where as the Asus is a very solid board.

You're also getting USB 3, SATA3, Tri-Channel, x58 chipset to support the 980x if you ever want to upgrade to that down the road.

i7 930 + . ASUS P6X58D-E - $513.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

In regards to Ram, for your needs, you'll be fine with 6GB - I considered 12GB for my build, and 6 GB is more then plenty.

This is some nice Ram, with good timings:
G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

This is also an excellent choice, a little bit cheaper: ( 7-7-7-18 )
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
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July 5, 2010 5:34:14 AM

Yep my last post includes the P6X58D-E and also has the last ram you linked at:
"G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... "

If you believe 6GB RAM will be adequate then that sounds good to me! If I need more in the future I'm sure I can just order the same model too.

That leaves me at $1612.89 CAD and $1572.89 CAD after rebates. Looks great to me! :D  All in all, everything looks set in stone now?
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July 5, 2010 6:02:12 AM

Yep, that looks great.

Your build has made me rethink a couple things with my build, having a Fermi GTX 470 suits this build a whole lot better, plus, I may have over spent in other areas. ;)  SSD not being one of them, but rather with the cooling.

Yes, you'll be fine with 6GB, and if you feel you need the additional 6GB down the road, then be sure to get the exact same kit, with the exact same timings and everything.

Can you keep me posted on how hot the Fermi runs?
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July 5, 2010 6:30:42 AM

kg2010 said:
Yep, that looks great.

Your build has made me rethink a couple things with my build, having a Fermi GTX 470 suits this build a whole lot better, plus, I may have over spent in other areas. ;)  SSD not being one of them, but rather with the cooling.

Yes, you'll be fine with 6GB, and if you feel you need the additional 6GB down the road, then be sure to get the exact same kit, with the exact same timings and everything.

Can you keep me posted on how hot the Fermi runs?


Sure thing. Paypal will take about a week and my classes are just starting up so I'll post back in a few weeks when my rig is up and running. That's when I'll test the card out and post some results. How do you find your SSD fairs over a regular HHD?
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July 5, 2010 6:52:02 AM

All my parts will arrive this week, but an SSD will offer SIGNIFICANT speed and overall performance over a regular HDD, even a 10,000 RPM HDD

I will be using mine as a boot and apps drive.

Windows 7 will start faster, apps will also load faster.

This kinda sums it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt6VbOY3xE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lR0XoHFU6Y

This is the best value / performance SSD on the market:

Intel X25-M Mainstream 80G
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

I had already purchased this for my build, but the OCZ Vertex 120GB was available as a Shell Shocker for $258 plus a $30 MIR. So I jumped all over that when I saw it.
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July 5, 2010 8:18:31 AM

banthracis said:
Optical I linked is a burner.

The 875 is just an i7-860 that's unlocked. It's actually not worth the price premium over an 860 as it isn't even binned separately, so it doesn't OC any better.

Quote:
Our perceptions changed when Intel told us that they will not be binning these processors in a special way or marketing them at die-hard overclockers, but instead at system builders who can utilize the unlocked core features to provide cheap pre-overclocked systems with minimal fuss.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/3742/intels-core-i5655k-c...


The i7-875 has the same weakness as every other p55 chip, namely the lack of PCIe lanes and tri channel memory support.

For a heavy graphic editing build, especially a RAM intensive one, tri channel does make quite a difference.

Any DDR3 RAM is compatible with any mobo that supports DDR3 as long as voltages are within specs.
Tri channel merely requires RAM in multiple of 3 DIMMS, as opposed to 2 for dual channel.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the i7-875k is more money for a worse CPU than an i7-930.


Well that's lame. Why do they call it a 875 when its an unlocked 860? Those intel guys are weird.

As for the 875k not being worth it. Well I'd still pay 20bucks for the unlocked feature but seeing as you're going with the 930 anyways it doesn't reallly matter.
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July 5, 2010 10:23:39 AM

I would suggest the 860 as the next step down, from the 930, for "pro" graphics.

All things considered ... 930 and 860 are my ONLY recommendations for "true" CS5.
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