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ATi vs Nvidia ; clash of the graphics titans

Total: 31 votes (4 blank votes)

  • Radeon 5970
  • 25 %
  • DUAL Radeon 5870
  • 33 %
  • GTX 480
  • 18 %
  • DUAL GTX 470
  • 25 %
May 26, 2010 8:37:23 AM

now guys if you were given a system like this:-

AMD Phenom II X6 with 3 GHZ speed
ASUS M4A89GTD
6 GB RAM
and all other things

Now if you were given a choice of GPU between
1.Radeon 5970
2.DUAL Radeon 5870
3.GTX 480
4.DUAL GTX 470

What would you choose????
Fanboys are certainly welcome

More about : ati nvidia

a c 125 U Graphics card
May 26, 2010 8:45:50 AM

May 26, 2010 8:52:05 AM

ok i will just order three cylinders of carbon dioxide. I hope that will be suffient to stop it
;-}
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a b U Graphics card
May 26, 2010 11:09:42 AM

2 x 5870.

Why?
The GTX480 performs a little better than a single 5870, but is also noisy, very hot and a power whore. It is also inferior in performance to a 5970, so there is absolutely no reason to get this whn you have two better options.

The 5970 is good, but it is inferior to two 5870s, so no reason to get it instead of the 2 x 5870s (its advantage is if a game does not make used of XFire very well, but to be honest in those situations the power of a 5870 will be enough anyway. Besides, XFire is pretty common these days so issues should be few).

The GTX 470 was designed to beat the 5850, so it doesn't even really belong here - it does beat the 5850 of course, but its performance is inferior to the 5870 as well as having the same issues as the GTX480, so there is no reason at all why you would rather get this set up than 2 x 5870s.

So in order of preference
1. 2 x 5870
2. 5970
and far behind these choices are:

3. 2 x GTX470
4. GTX480
a c 189 U Graphics card
May 26, 2010 11:31:44 AM

yeah... maybe we wait for a while before this thread full of comments debating/war about which one are better between ATI and Nvidia... :) 

BTW, if you ask me, i will choose a single HD5970.
That's all...
a b U Graphics card
May 26, 2010 11:44:46 AM

Well, my personal perference is probably 5970 as I don't actually XFire myself, I like to know when a game is released I get full functionality of my hardware without worry about waiting for driver updates for Xfire to work or finding Xfire working not as well as hoped, but I tend to be a minority, but with the 5870 being a great card out of Xfire, the few times where you may have trouble, the one card can do it all for you, and as money seems not an issue then why not get two 5870s, the resellability of them would be great in future too - alot of people with one 5870 will want to get a second sometime down the line
May 26, 2010 12:39:15 PM

single 5970

I'm not an ATI fanboy, so I use my brain to realize it's the obvious choice.
May 26, 2010 1:51:04 PM

asteldian said:
2 x 5870.

Why?
The GTX480 performs a little better than a single 5870, but is also noisy, very hot and a power whore. It is also inferior in performance to a 5970, so there is absolutely no reason to get this whn you have two better options.

The 5970 is good, but it is inferior to two 5870s, so no reason to get it instead of the 2 x 5870s (its advantage is if a game does not make used of XFire very well, but to be honest in those situations the power of a 5870 will be enough anyway. Besides, XFire is pretty common these days so issues should be few).

The GTX 470 was designed to beat the 5850, so it doesn't even really belong here - it does beat the 5850 of course, but its performance is inferior to the 5870 as well as having the same issues as the GTX480, so there is no reason at all why you would rather get this set up than 2 x 5870s.

So in order of preference
1. 2 x 5870
2. 5970
and far behind these choices are:

3. 2 x GTX470
4. GTX480



Totally agree!!
a b U Graphics card
May 26, 2010 4:03:41 PM

Yay, thread hasn't been turned into a flame war yet!

Ok, so personally I would choose a GTX 480, but that's because I'd watercool it. I prefer Nvidia's driver support too. Looks like I"m the only one that's voted for it so far, XD.

May 26, 2010 4:30:09 PM

Honestly, if you're willing to go with crossfire, I don't understand why you don't have 2x5850 listed there as it will probably end up being cheaper than the 5970 while providing comparable performance to a 5970.

Of the options, 2x5870s would be the best choice on a performance basis, but I wouldn't pick them over a single 5970 solely because it's a single card option over a dual card option. The 5970 will draw less power and generate less heat.

As for the NVidia cards, I don't much care for burning myself, so I'm going to wait until they figure out how to properly cool those bad boys before I ever recommend them.

Edit: I'd also like to know why you don't have Dual GTX 480s as an option in your poll. Tom's recent review of the 480s in SLI shows that as a dual card option dual 480s is a much more scalable solution than dual 5870s, especially at higher resolutions.
a b U Graphics card
May 26, 2010 7:37:16 PM

Slayer697 said:
Honestly, if you're willing to go with crossfire, I don't understand why you don't have 2x5850 listed there as it will probably end up being cheaper than the 5970 while providing comparable performance to a 5970.

Of the options, 2x5870s would be the best choice on a performance basis, but I wouldn't pick them over a single 5970 solely because it's a single card option over a dual card option. The 5970 will draw less power and generate less heat.

As for the NVidia cards, I don't much care for burning myself, so I'm going to wait until they figure out how to properly cool those bad boys before I ever recommend them.

Edit: I'd also like to know why you don't have Dual GTX 480s as an option in your poll. Tom's recent review of the 480s in SLI shows that as a dual card option dual 480s is a much more scalable solution than dual 5870s, especially at higher resolutions.


+1
a b U Graphics card
May 26, 2010 8:23:59 PM

I'd choose the dual GTX 480s easily. They will far outperform anything up there now. a GTX 480 is about 20% faster than a 5870 thanks to the 197.41 drivers, and may be even greater if nVidia's numbers are correct for the 256 drivers. You also get another good 15-20% more performance in the presence of a good bit of tessellation, the major selling point of DX11.

The GTX 480 also overclocks just as well as a 5870, 150 MHz on the core being very easy with everything past that pretty difficult and extreme, but then GTX 480 gains more performance per clock when overclocked. This means that the GTX 480 has an even greater lead when overclocked than the 20% now and the 15-20% with tessellation on top of the performance now!

So in reality you get a lot of performance for the extra $100 over a 5870, but the good news doesn't stop there. SLI scales a good bit better than crossfire, with 2 cards where as crossfire scales better with 3 cards. This means that you get a 15-20% increase in scaling, crossfire scales about 70% and SLI scales about 80-90%.

So lets review:
-the GTX 480 has a 20% performance increase in current titles
-The GTX 480 has another 15-20% performance lead on top of the 20% it has now when there is heavy tessellation.
-The GTX 480 overclocks just as well as a 5870, but gains more performance from the overclock, increasing the above leads even further.
-Dual card SLI scales a good bit better than crossfire, adding to the above performance leads too.

Now I know this sounds pretty raving, but there are some draw-backs.

Heat: The GTX 480 produces a bit more heat than the 5870, though nothing too out of the ordinary unlike the common misconception out now (In all honesty the 5xxx series just runs remarkably cool). I'm not saying these things aren't hot, they are, but there is really no need to worry about it unless you have a very poorly ventilated case. The heat can be tamed very well when you increase the fan speeds too which allows for some very nice overclocking, but this leads me into my second point.

Noise: This is the most misunderstood attribute about the new GTX 4xx series. They ARE almost silent at fans speeds of ~75% and under, just like the 5870. However, when you dial up the fan speeds even more they become quite loud, I'm talking 80%+. Many people think these are insanely loud because on paper, they are, but in real life the human ear does not perceive them as loud as you would think. High frequencies sound louder too us than lower frequencies, even if the actual volume and DB/DBA levels are the same. This is why a 120mm fan at 30 DBA is silent while an 80mm fan at 30 DB is annoying. The same works here, the Delta fans on the GTX 480 produce a lower hum than the 5870 which helps balance out the noise issue. Here is what one guy said recently about his GTX 480, notice in the thread that his main concern was noise:

Quote:
Thanks a lot everyone for your help... Now after 7 years I'm back to Nvidia, so far loving the GTX 480 and honestly...people really do over do the noise complaint, my 4870 was WAY louder than this whenever I booted a game, this is standable.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...

Power Consumption: This is another overblown draw-back. The GTX 480 uses between 70-100w more power on extreme load than the 5870. That is a good bit, but wont cost you more than $40 a year on your electric bill, assuming you pay a horrendous cents/kw/h otherwise the amount is even less, since these cards are at idle for most of their lives, where the difference is minimal. This does mean that you need a bigger PSU. Dual GTX 480s require about a good 850w PSU and a 900-1000w if you plan to really crank the clocks. (Note that the PSU calculator tells me I need a 850w PSU for my i5 750 @ 4.0 GHz 1.4v, dual GTX 480s, and other misc. stuff at peak loads, but when I use their recommended load settings of 90%, much more reasonable, I get about a 775-800w recommendation) Here is a link:
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

All in all the power consumption is a pretty dumb point, since anyone who is going to spend $1000 on their GTX 480s aren't going cheap on the PSU, note a good 1000w PSU costs you ~$200 nowadays, and they won't mind the slight increase on the electric bill.

As for the heat and noise, unless you are a silent PC freak then they are also small points since you will have a well cooled case and you will be tolerant of noise levels typical of the GTX 2xx and HD 4xxx days. And if you are a silent PC freak then you are already used to sacrificing performance for your obsession.

My sources:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-480-3way-sli-...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gigabyte...
May 27, 2010 4:07:24 AM

The reason i did not add a Dual GTX 480 was that i think that two flaming monsters inside one case would probably fry it out. Even if doesn't, it was my bad. I should have added it anyway
a b U Graphics card
May 27, 2010 10:41:33 AM

Duel GTX 470s would be about the same as dual 5870s.

It would perform the same at resolutions under 2560x1600, have a good 15-20% performance lead with tessellation, and it overclocks the same as a 5870, but gains more per clock. Finally the dual GTX 470s would still have the edge with SLI scaling. All the negatives of the GTX 480, except the noise, would be toned down which is a plus. It would also cost $50, for a single setup, or $100 cheaper, for the SLI setup.
a c 125 U Graphics card
May 27, 2010 11:37:55 AM

Everybody lives in Americaaaaa!!!!
May 27, 2010 12:19:54 PM

so............... mr.OMG what does it have to do if everyone lives in America. I'd rather(and i hesitate to say this to a person senior than me) that you should be giving sensible replies that actually matter rather than just fooling around x-{
a c 125 U Graphics card
May 27, 2010 12:26:08 PM

ahmadumair said:
so............... mr.OMG what does it have to do if everyone lives in America. I'd rather(and i hesitate to say this to a person senior than me) that you should be giving sensible replies that actually matter rather than just fooling around x-{

:lol:  Prices vary ALOT depending on where you live, In America for example a HD5850 and a GTX470 are very close in terms of price, Where as in other countries there's a £60+ gap between the same cards. All im saying is what may be a good deal somewhere is not so in other countries.

My reply was sensible Mr ahm :pfff: 
May 27, 2010 12:32:47 PM

well that is ok. Actually i was already in a temper and i wanted to take it off on someone and you made the perfect timing so that is all about. Actually my rig The one with i7 975 and 5870 just crashed due to some virus which was real quick and i was just angry over that


Sorry

and please next time you refer to me remember my name is ahmad not ahm
a c 125 U Graphics card
May 27, 2010 12:37:58 PM

ahmadumair said:
well that is ok. Actually i was already in a temper and i wanted to take it off on someone and you made the perfect timing so that is all about. Actually my rig The one with i7 975 and 5870 just crashed due to some virus which was real quick and i was just angry over that


Sorry

and please next time you refer to me remember my name is ahmad not ahm


Damn Virus! :non:  >.<

No need to apologise, My reply wasn't exactly obvious about what I was trying to get across. :) 
a b U Graphics card
May 27, 2010 1:42:20 PM

ahmadumair said:
The reason i did not add a Dual GTX 480 was that i think that two flaming monsters inside one case would probably fry it out. Even if doesn't, it was my bad. I should have added it anyway

Yes, and this is a sensible statement. The truth about heat production. High performance video cards produce heat. Heres snippets from the 5870 review
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422...
Quote:
But a pair of Radeon HD 5870s was the loudest combination in our tests, generating 54.7 decibels from our plucky little Extech 407768. These cards actually did hit 100 degrees C, at which point they’d throttle, dip back to 99, and then hop back up to 100. What you really need to be careful with in a closed case, though, is a rising ambient. The Radeon HD 5870’s decked-out bracket doesn’t have a full slot’s worth of ventilation anymore, so half of the card’s air actually blows out the top back into your chassis.

So they called the 5870' hot and loud, OH and and they shut down the rig,from being hot, lol

2 X GTX 480
a b U Graphics card
May 27, 2010 7:47:30 PM

notty22 said:
Yes, and this is a sensible statement. The truth about heat production. High performance video cards produce heat. Heres snippets from the 5870 review
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422...
Quote:
But a pair of Radeon HD 5870s was the loudest combination in our tests, generating 54.7 decibels from our plucky little Extech 407768. These cards actually did hit 100 degrees C, at which point they’d throttle, dip back to 99, and then hop back up to 100. What you really need to be careful with in a closed case, though, is a rising ambient. The Radeon HD 5870’s decked-out bracket doesn’t have a full slot’s worth of ventilation anymore, so half of the card’s air actually blows out the top back into your chassis.

So they called the 5870' hot and loud, OH and and they shut down the rig,from being hot, lol

2 X GTX 480


Hahaha that's awesome. It's everyday I read some comment about 480's being a space heater... or a dragon... or some other crazy personification.
a b U Graphics card
May 27, 2010 9:30:03 PM

redechelon said:
Hahaha that's awesome. It's everyday I read some comment about 480's being a space heater... or a dragon... or some other crazy personification.


The horrible misconceptions on these boards about these cards are quite ridiculous. I was ready to write off the GTX 480 as a lost cause and the GTX 470 as a decent niche card, but with the newer driver releases, overclocking potential, and proof of how inaccurate the general conceptions about the heat, noise, and power consumption of these cards, I am now convinced that these are both actually excellent cards that truly deliver.
May 27, 2010 9:56:57 PM

Strangely, the THG review of GTX 480s in SLI vs Radeon HD5870s in crossfire is now gone. At this point, if I was going to buy a card in the $500 range I'd definitely go with the GTX 480. Anything cheaper and I'm still sold on the HD5850.
a b U Graphics card
May 27, 2010 11:58:14 PM

I'd personally go with the 5970, don't a huge fan of xfire.
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