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Anonymous
April 10, 2004 8:40:49 PM

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Hi all,

UnrealTower, home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament2003 FAQ - and soon
home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament FAQ too - has gotten a new
facelift. A lot of new technology is used, and the entire website now is
completely XHTML compliant. I've re-written the FAQ system, the HTML is
compressed on the fly if your browser supports it, and the site uses
less graphics. All in all, it should be a faster and richer experience!

Visit the site at http://www.unrealtower.org/

Sybren
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Anonymous
April 10, 2004 9:55:55 PM

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On 10 Apr 2004 16:40:49 GMT, Sybren Stuvel wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> UnrealTower, home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament2003 FAQ - and soon
> home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament FAQ too - has gotten a new
> facelift. A lot of new technology is used, and the entire website now is
> completely XHTML compliant. I've re-written the FAQ system, the HTML is
> compressed on the fly if your browser supports it, and the site uses
> less graphics. All in all, it should be a faster and richer experience!
>
> Visit the site at http://www.unrealtower.org/
>
> Sybren

15 seconds (average) for the site to respond... I'd hate to see it when it
was slower.

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April 10, 2004 9:55:56 PM

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Mr K enlightened us with:
> 15 seconds (average) for the site to respond... I'd hate to see it
> when it was slower.

That's rather slow indeed. It's on a personal ADSL line shared with 10
people, so sometimes it's slow, sometimes it's fast.

Anyways, that's going to change too soon. A friend of mine has a server
at a server park of one of the best ISPs in The Netherlands, and he
offered to host UnrealTower.

MeltDown

PS: K, you seem to be rather grumpy today. Anything I can do to fix
that?
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Anonymous
April 10, 2004 9:57:33 PM

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Sybren Stuvel <sybrenUSE@YOURthirdtower.imagination.com> Blessed us
with news:slrnc7g8sk.f2u.sybrenUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com:

> Hi all,
>
> UnrealTower, home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament2003 FAQ -
> and soon home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament FAQ too - has
> gotten a new facelift. A lot of new technology is used, and the
> entire website now is completely XHTML compliant. I've
> re-written the FAQ system, the HTML is compressed on the fly if
> your browser supports it, and the site uses less graphics. All
> in all, it should be a faster and richer experience!
>
> Visit the site at http://www.unrealtower.org/

Well Martin says it's broke but it worked just fine for me. :-)
There are some links that are reciprocal but that's probably
because you're not done with it yet and still working on it.
Very nice! I especially like the FAQ section with the UT FAQ
in it. :-) Question: are you planning to host the UT2004 FAQ also?
I saw a link to it in the FAQ section but I didn't click on it.
You might as well then they would all be in one place!. You
took out the FAQ searchbox completely. Oh well you have the
FAQ navigation link and if people can't find what they are
looking for then they don't need it IMHO. You also took 'test'
out of the url. Aren't you the least bit curious as to how I
was still able to open your site pages up in a text editor?
I will tell you: I clicked 'File' -> 'Save As' to my desktop then
just opened the html file in a text editor. I believe you had
it in one of the JavaScript files to turn off editing so someone
couldn't click file then edit with notepad.

--
J

What's that in my sites?... Oh!... it looks like someone's
HEAD... Quick pull the trigger!... Man that was nasty!.
April 10, 2004 10:05:46 PM

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"Sybren Stuvel" <sybrenUSE@YOURthirdtower.imagination.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc7g8sk.f2u.sybrenUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com...
> Hi all,
>
> UnrealTower, home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament2003 FAQ - and soon
> home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament FAQ too - has gotten a new
> facelift. A lot of new technology is used, and the entire website now is
> completely XHTML compliant. I've re-written the FAQ system, the HTML is
> compressed on the fly if your browser supports it, and the site uses
> less graphics. All in all, it should be a faster and richer experience!
>
> Visit the site at http://www.unrealtower.org/

Hey Meltdown - http://www.unrealtower.org/vakantiesite is broke....

Martin



>
> Sybren
> --
> The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
> capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
> safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?


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April 10, 2004 10:05:47 PM

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Martin enlightened us with:
> Hey Meltdown - http://www.unrealtower.org/vakantiesite is broke....

Thanks for pointing that out! I've fixed it ;-)

MeltDown
--
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a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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Anonymous
April 10, 2004 10:14:19 PM

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On 10 Apr 2004 17:03:48 GMT, MeltDown wrote:

> That's rather slow indeed. It's on a personal ADSL line shared with 10
> people, so sometimes it's slow, sometimes it's fast.
>
> Anyways, that's going to change too soon. A friend of mine has a server
> at a server park of one of the best ISPs in The Netherlands, and he
> offered to host UnrealTower.
>
> MeltDown

Ah well.

> PS: K, you seem to be rather grumpy today.

No grouchier than usual.

> Anything I can do to fix that?

Unless you're planning on becoming $DEITY within the forseeable future...
no.

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April 10, 2004 10:14:20 PM

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Mr K enlightened us with:
> Unless you're planning on becoming $DEITY within the forseeable
> future... no.

Plans? Always. It's the becoming $DEITY that's the hard part ;-)

MeltDown
--
The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be
a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
For all your UT2003 questions visit http://www.unrealtower.org/faq.php
April 10, 2004 11:43:19 PM

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JHall enlightened us with:
> There are some links that are reciprocal but that's probably because
> you're not done with it yet and still working on it.

Exactly.

> Question: are you planning to host the UT2004 FAQ also?

I thought I just might as well keep track of a few UT2k4-related
questions.

> I saw a link to it in the FAQ section but I didn't click on it.

There is a single question in it ;-)

> Aren't you the least bit curious as to how I was still able to open
> your site pages up in a text editor?

No, why? Everybody can do that! Maybe they don't know how, but they can
;-)

> I believe you had it in one of the JavaScript files to turn off
> editing so someone couldn't click file then edit with notepad.

I never thought of that. The 'edit' link is there so I can edit the
pages. Everybody can do that - it's the saving of the changes that is
protected.

Protecting the source so nobody can see it is completely against my
principles. And if that is the only thing that protects something, it's
security by obscurity, which isn't security at all.

MeltDown
--
The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be
a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
For all your UT2003 questions visit http://www.unrealtower.org/faq.php
April 10, 2004 11:43:42 PM

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JHall enlightened us with:
> Well Martin says it's broke but it worked just fine for me. :-)

That is because I fixed it ;-)

MeltDown
--
The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be
a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
For all your UT2003 questions visit http://www.unrealtower.org/faq.php
April 11, 2004 12:07:55 AM

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JHall enlightened us with:
> You took out the FAQ searchbox completely.

I just browsed through the MySQL documentation, and found some nice
fulltext search functions. The FAQ search box is back ;-)

MeltDown
--
The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be
a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
For all your UT2003 questions visit http://www.unrealtower.org/faq.php
Anonymous
April 11, 2004 1:13:04 AM

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MeltDown <meltdownUSE@YOURunrealtower.imagination.org> Blessed us
with news:slrnc7gl0u.i5f.meltdownUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com:

> I just browsed through the MySQL documentation, and found some
> nice fulltext search functions. The FAQ search box is back ;-)
>

And you gave it 20 spaces and it looks GREAT! Works too. I
typed Unreal Tournament into it and it sent me right to the page.
No that was just really strange earlier when I was at your site
and noticed how small the searchbox was and when I clicked file
there was no edit with notepad option!. Wierd! I wasn't sure if
there was some JavaScript code to turn the editing feature off or
not. I was really just sort of asking that as a question because
when I was at your site earlier and didn't see the option in the
file menu to edit with notepad it seemed strange because that is
the first time that ever happend AFAIK. I also agree with you and
never thought about it like that but security by obscurity is no
security at all! and I hope it didn't sound like I was accusing
you of it!. I really just thought your site or my browser or
both had some errors or something.


--
J

What's that in my sites?... Oh!... it looks like someone's
HEAD... Quick pull the trigger!... Man that was nasty!.
April 11, 2004 1:19:29 AM

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JHall enlightened us with:
> And you gave it 20 spaces

I didn't. I simply remove the "size=" attribute.

> and it looks GREAT!

That's good to hear.

> No that was just really strange earlier when I was at your site and
> noticed how small the searchbox was

Then you have a browser that isn't CSS compatible. Which one are you
using?

> and when I clicked file there was no edit with notepad option!.
> Wierd!

I'm not familiar of Windows browsers, so I can't share your
weirdness-feeling ;-)

> I wasn't sure if there was some JavaScript code to turn the editing
> feature off or not.

Nope.

> I hope it didn't sound like I was accusing
> you of it!

Nothing like that! You found something weird and were investigating.

> I really just thought your site or my browser or both had some errors
> or something.

A buggy browser on windows - sounds like internet explorer to me.

MeltDown
--
The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be
a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
For all your UT2003 questions visit http://www.unrealtower.org/faq.php
Anonymous
April 11, 2004 1:24:57 AM

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MeltDown <meltdownUSE@YOURunrealtower.imagination.org> Blessed us
with news:slrnc7gp74.j9h.meltdownUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com:

> A buggy browser on windows - sounds like internet explorer to me.

Nailed it! Right on the head! M$'s Internet Exploder. Sorry about
all of my spelling errors. I noticed I have many of them but I
spelled Exploder correctly. LOL

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HEAD... Quick pull the trigger!... Man that was nasty!.
April 11, 2004 1:26:18 AM

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JHall enlightened us with:
> Nailed it! Right on the head! M$'s Internet Exploder.

Ok, then you should expect more and more websites to look weird. The
world is moving, but IE is standing still.

MeltDown
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a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
For all your UT2003 questions visit http://www.unrealtower.org/faq.php
Anonymous
April 11, 2004 1:31:23 AM

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MeltDown <meltdownUSE@YOURunrealtower.imagination.org> Blessed us
with news:slrnc7gpjt.j9h.meltdownUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com:

> Ok, then you should expect more and more websites to look
> weird. The world is moving, but IE is standing still.

Tell me about it dude! I have seen several sites in the past
few months that "are best viewed at 1024 x 768" and I'm an
800 x 600 kind of person. When I set the desktop to 1024 x 768
I have to get out my glasses and press my face against the
screen almost to see anything!.

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HEAD... Quick pull the trigger!... Man that was nasty!.
Anonymous
April 14, 2004 4:05:11 AM

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wow looks bland

"Sybren Stuvel" <sybrenUSE@YOURthirdtower.imagination.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc7g8sk.f2u.sybrenUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com...
> Hi all,
>
> UnrealTower, home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament2003 FAQ - and soon
> home of the alt.games.unreal.tournament FAQ too - has gotten a new
> facelift. A lot of new technology is used, and the entire website now is
> completely XHTML compliant. I've re-written the FAQ system, the HTML is
> compressed on the fly if your browser supports it, and the site uses
> less graphics. All in all, it should be a faster and richer experience!
>
> Visit the site at http://www.unrealtower.org/
>
> Sybren
> --
> The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
> capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
> safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Anonymous
April 14, 2004 5:22:37 AM

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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:05:11 GMT, Lance Ballantyne wrote:

> wow looks bland

Wow, you've managed to port "links" over to Windows.

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Anonymous
April 14, 2004 1:11:54 PM

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><head>
> <link rel="alternative stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/unrealtower.css" title="Normal style" />
> <link rel="alternative stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/css/tiny.css" title="Tiny style" />


Maybe you should not *only* give alternative stylesheets - not all
browsers take one of them as default. As a result, the site looks
extremely bland in some browsers (Opera 6, for example). Mozilla 1.6
seems to render it ok.

HTH,
RObert
April 14, 2004 3:25:34 PM

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Robert Mischke enlightened us with:
> Maybe you should not *only* give alternative stylesheets - not all
> browsers take one of them as default.

How's it now?

MeltDown
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Anonymous
April 16, 2004 1:40:27 AM

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MeltDown wrote:
> Robert Mischke enlightened us with:
>> Maybe you should not *only* give alternative stylesheets - not all
>> browsers take one of them as default.
>
> How's it now?
>

Looks right in IE now. Was cruddy before on IE (mozilla had no problems)
but I figured that was on porpoise :) 

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Anonymous
April 16, 2004 1:56:24 AM

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MeltDown <meltdownUSE@YOURunrealtower.imagination.org> Blessed us
with news:slrnc7q7th.mn4.meltdownUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com:

> How's it now?

Wow! it really looks different now but still loads just as quickly!
I didn't know it was supposed to look that way but of course I don't
use Nutscape umm... I mean Netscape (Mozilla) though. I'm an
Internut Exploder kind of person. I have Netscape and can install
and use it but I just got used to IE. The site looks great now
and it must have been the style sheet eh? It didn't look bad on
my browser with the default system colours I have though.

Go figure! Great job Melt! ;-)

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Anonymous
April 16, 2004 1:56:25 AM

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On 15 Apr 2004 21:56:24 GMT, JHall <jhall@playmlec.net> wrote:

>MeltDown <meltdownUSE@YOURunrealtower.imagination.org> Blessed us
>with news:slrnc7q7th.mn4.meltdownUSE@sybren.thirdtower.com:
>
>> How's it now?
>
>Wow! it really looks different now but still loads just as quickly!
>I didn't know it was supposed to look that way but of course I don't
>use Nutscape umm... I mean Netscape (Mozilla) though. I'm an
>Internut Exploder kind of person. I have Netscape and can install
>and use it but I just got used to IE. The site looks great now
>and it must have been the style sheet eh? It didn't look bad on
>my browser with the default system colours I have though.
>
>Go figure! Great job Melt! ;-)

I tried several browsers out and I've found Opera to fit my needs the
best. It's uncluttered, fast, and no pop-ups at all.

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April 16, 2004 9:10:54 AM

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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:40:27 GMT, "Littlemoot"
<littlemoot@h0tmail.com> wrote:

>Looks right in IE now. Was cruddy before on IE (mozilla had no problems)
>but I figured that was on porpoise :) 

IE badly breaks HTML formatting. I have a very basic single page
website with some centered text that looks fine in every browser apart
from IE. To get the text centered in IE I had to put in leading
spaces.
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April 16, 2004 10:52:20 AM

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Littlemoot enlightened us with:
> Looks right in IE now. Was cruddy before on IE (mozilla had no
> problems) but I figured that was on porpoise :) 

It still looks bad on MSIE. Take a look at the screenshot at
http://www.unrealtower.org/unrealtower-screenshot.png. That is what it
should look like. MSIE has been standing still for years, and it's
getting outdated on CSS support (amongst other things).

MeltDown
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April 16, 2004 10:54:38 AM

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JHall enlightened us with:
> Wow! it really looks different now but still loads just as quickly! I
> didn't know it was supposed to look that way

Yep, it was.

> but of course I don't use Nutscape umm... I mean Netscape (Mozilla)
> though.

I use Mozilla Firefox. The best browser I've seen so far. Way better
than MSIE.

> I'm an Internut Exploder kind of person.

That's too bad for you. It's the most backwards, insecure, outdated
browser you can get nowadays. Microsoft hasn't been working on it for
years, because they know people will use it anyway.

> The site looks great now and it must have been the style sheet eh?

Yep! I had two alternative stylesheets, and some browsers don't pick one
at all then. Made the primary one actually a "stylesheet" instead of
"alternative stylesheet" and it works fine now.

MeltDown
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