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April 8, 2011 1:22:14 PM

Hi,

i got my build pc running for year now and i never had more that 6gb ram and find it good for most game except Star Craft 2 intense battle lag as *** "4vs4"

My spec are
Asus P6X58D-e deluxe "non-premium" <<<----My fault it wasn't p7

Psu is a 1200W
i7-930 no overclock
ram are 6gb G-Skill F3-16000CL9T-6GBRH "3x2GB"
using 2 GTX 470 Galaxy in Sli
"no sound card" <- motherboard emulated could this be the problem that too much sound going on in intense battle taking all my cpu speed?

Star Craft 2 suggest me extreme setting for my spec i lowered it but seem to do same thing when it come to huge battle.

I'm Trying to point the main problem that can cause the lag in battle with many unit on the screen.

It cpu that too slow? i'm already using a corsair water cooling on my cpu.
not enought ram? motherboard is up to 24gb of ram
no Sound Card = bad?

Starcraft 2 is the only game that can make my video card sometime show sight of artifact "wrong floor graphic" or "orange glow arround mineral patch" maybe driver issue dunno...it rare tough if i alt tab it fix the glitch...
...
My temp of both card are 71 C and 65 C while i play.
I have lots of fan on my pc.
i've done a stress test to my cpu while ago it was 71 C max temp

It pissing me off, I would like to point what the cause of this.

Thanks you ALL for reading this. :bounce: 
a c 251 } Memory
April 8, 2011 1:42:24 PM

Maybe Network lag.
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April 9, 2011 6:29:04 AM

no because it do the same watching the replay offline...
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April 14, 2011 9:15:57 PM

Yeah humm i guess everyone has lag when many unit on the screen then....if not post ur spec please.
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April 14, 2011 9:19:08 PM

BTW Im Asking for GOOD BRAND RAM compatible with my motherboard and that best for gaming purpose...
My motherboard is
Asus P6X58D-e "non-premium"
i have 6gb on window 7 is that enough?
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a c 347 } Memory
April 14, 2011 9:34:34 PM

F3-16000CL9T-6GBRH -> http://gskill.com/products.php?index=237
DDR3-2000 9-9-9-27-2N @ 1.60v {;) sure 1.60v}

Q - What's your Ai Overclock Tuner set to?
Q - What's your Hardware Reserved in the Resource Manager?
Q - What's the values in the CPU-Z 'SPD' tab in the furthest right 2 columns? Include Frequency, timings & voltage {edit}



CPU-Z 'SPD'
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April 14, 2011 9:46:36 PM

Wow. I would have thought that your system could play any game smoothly with high graphic settings.

You can play SCII single-player right? Does it also bog down with lots of units on-screen when playing alone versus the computer?

If it does, I would suggest trying the newest graphics card drivers. They have version 270.51 beta drivers available. I'm using them and they work great for me, though I don't play SCII yet -- after looking at the game's site, I think I'll be buying it after I get paid tomorrow.

If it doesn't bog down in large single-player battles, then your problem is the network.
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April 14, 2011 10:02:24 PM

^ What's crossing my mind are the 2000 MHz RAM, and if it's working correctly -- 4GB vs 6GB. 2000 MHz RAM at 1.60v with no BCLK adjustments...

If the OP RAMs fine then look to other stuff. Yep, older nVidia drivers are a problem.

There are a bunch of issues with Starcraft 2 +SLI problems. But those issues were fixed last August.

Try:
'Variables.txt' in your C:\Users\yourname\Documents\StarCraft II folder. Change 'transparentshadows=1' to 'transparentshadows=0'

Change shadowmapsize=2048 to 1024
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April 15, 2011 4:21:10 PM

Hi, im glad to get your attention
I tired respond faster but the site wouldn't work last nite :( 

here,
i tired using the recommanded setting for my ram before and my computer
randomly crash while playing games so i just put everything to default
nothing fancy and it never crash exept some very rare time...it when i heard my sound
glitch and computer freeze...mostly happend when i just did reboot my computer weird tough.


here my ressource monitor & cpu-z picture




I just notice that blizzard had make change lately with graphic setting wich is now called
"EXTREME" at maximum setting.My computer is proly not ready for that setting as i did see
on some other forum people saying that starcraft 2 is mostly cpu heavy game.

so what i did is lets everything on max except for all setting that said it relies on cpu.
I've put all those to the lowest and now i get a nice 30 fps in intense battle wich is better
that previous ~14 fps i was getting.

i didn t test the new suggested command to add to variable.txt but i've already used those
recommended by others
frameratecap=60 "i think this one is while playing"
frameratecapGlue=30 "and this one is in menu screen 30 is great for cooling down stuff :D "

i know my computer still great because i've just played crysis 2 and was running like butter.
Thanks Again, i apreaciate suggestion :p 
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a c 347 } Memory
April 15, 2011 5:01:54 PM

You would get better support from their Forum -> http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/ The links you provided, at least to the USA, are broken. Further, I would run Selective Startup from MSCONFIG and use a minimum set, it other words turn-off what you absolutely don't need to run the game. Low frame rates are IMO the cause of your lagging.

Test system:
Intel Core i7-920, 2.67 GHz, QPI-4200, 8 MB Cache
Overclocked to 3.61 GHz @ 172 MHz BCLK

Reference http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scali...


I have but don't play StarCraft very much, but when it's running it's being run on an OC CPU.

Latest Patch 1.3.2 -> http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US...

Network Issues -> http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US...
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April 15, 2011 5:23:39 PM

yeah thanks you, these are for ultra high and there is extreme setting now too.

i fixed those link finaly...what a pain

1680X1050 pixel is the maximum of my monitor as i said i probably found the main cause of the lag anyway.

I turned all cpu relies setting to the lowest and seem to do it.
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Now what are good 12GB kit of ram i could use in my pc in order to overclock my cpu? because right now i think those 6GB of gskill 2000 o.c dosen't work on max setting :( 
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i have liquid corsair individual cooling for my cpu and i would like ram that would work at higher setting.
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Or maybe it not my ram that cause me random crash at higher setting but the motherboard itself?

:o 
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April 15, 2011 7:41:38 PM

Looking at CPU-Z you're getting (667 MHz) is if your BCLK is 160 MHz. So you are OC or using DOCP to increase the BCLK?!

DDR3-2000 9-9-9-27-2N @ 1.60v

Manual OC approach **
BIOS:
BCLK Frequency -> 167 MHz {166.66...}
AI OC Tuner -> Manual
DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-2000 MHz
DRAM Timing Control / Enter
DRAM CAS# Latency -> 9
DRAM RAS# to CAS# -> 9
DRAM RAS# PRE Time -> 9
DRAM RAS# ACT Time -> 27
-
DRAM Timing Mode -> 2N

QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.30v
DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60~1.64v {use the lowest stable voltage}
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DOCP OC approach
AI OC Tuner -> Manual
DRAM O.C. Profile -> DDR3-2000 MHz
DRAM Timing Control / Enter
DRAM CAS# Latency -> 9
DRAM RAS# to CAS# -> 9
DRAM RAS# PRE Time -> 9
DRAM RAS# ACT Time -> 27
-
DRAM Timing Mode -> 2N

QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.30v
DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60~1.64v {use the lowest stable voltage}
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XMP OC approach
AI OC Tuner -> XMP
eXtreme Memory Profile -> High Frequency

optional or if unstable:
QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.30v
DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60~1.64v {use the lowest stable voltage}
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** Manual OC approach with BCLK Frequency -> 167 MHz {166.66...}

The i7 930
Stock BCLK 133.3... X 21 = 2.80 GHz
BCLK OC 166.6... X 21 = 3.50 GHz

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Good set of 3X4GB 2000 MHz
Corsair Dominator GT 12GB (3 x 4GB) DDR3 2000 with Air Fan Model CMT12GX3M3A2000C9
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April 16, 2011 1:53:11 AM

Thanks you for the detail

no over clocking is done, everything is running at default for now


i could try again to make them run higher but i hate when computer get unstable, it the main reason why i wanna try new ram on it thanks for the suggestion.

i am right about when the ram run faster the cpu speed go higher too?
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April 16, 2011 2:47:24 PM

First let me say, anyone who gets 2000 MHz RAM and has no intentions of OC the BCLK much less the CPU is making a huge mistake. The disparity between the CPU's IMC {1066 MHz} and RAM Frequency {2000 MHz} is too great for a 'stable' environment. Therefore, you have (3) choices: 1. OC the BCLK at minimum and lower the CPU multiplier or 2. Under-clock the 2000 MHz RAM to 1600~1800 MHz (max) via DRAM Frequency and look at the JEDEC columns per the 'SPD' tab and use one of those CAS Timing sets or 3. Get good 1600 MHz 3X4GB RAM.

DDR3-2000 9-9-9-27-2N @ 1.60v

[1] Manual BCLK & lower CPU Multiplier **
BIOS:
CPU Ratio Setting -> 18 ; 2800 / 166.66... = 17 {17 x 166.66... = 2.83 GHz}
BCLK Frequency -> 167 MHz {166.66...}
AI OC Tuner -> Manual
DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-2000 MHz
DRAM Timing Control / Enter
DRAM CAS# Latency -> 9
DRAM RAS# to CAS# -> 9
DRAM RAS# PRE Time -> 9
DRAM RAS# ACT Time -> 27
-
DRAM Timing Mode -> 2N

QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.30v
DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60~1.64v {use the lowest stable voltage}

[2] Under-clock RAM

AI OC Tuner -> Manual
DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-1600 MHz
DRAM Timing Control / Enter
DRAM CAS# Latency -> 9
DRAM RAS# to CAS# -> 9
DRAM RAS# PRE Time -> 9
DRAM RAS# ACT Time -> 24
-
DRAM Timing Mode -> 2N

QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.30v
DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60~1.64v {use the lowest stable voltage}

[3] 1600 MHz low CAS RAM:
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 12GB (3 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Model CMP12GX3M3A1600C9
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April 16, 2011 7:21:54 PM

at default with auto setting, my ram are running at 1066mhz in the bios.

i bought those ram thinking they would be good but i didn't know anything about using it for my system at 2000mhz was overclocking.I could save money and buy more ram for same price.I am not a fan of overclocking as it decrease the life of the product.Thanks for lighting me.Very useful info there.
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April 16, 2011 7:22:05 PM

Best answer selected by multisync.
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April 16, 2011 7:59:19 PM

Testing your first suggestion here is what i got
i couldn't select 2000mhz because it not on the selection proposed

my bios say target cpu is 2822mhz
and my target ram is 1664 mhz

can u compare those picture why window say 2.27mhz and cpu-z say 2818mhz???

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SPD Tab show same thing that my previous picture

can you tell me if everything is ok or what going wrong ?
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April 16, 2011 8:29:32 PM

multisync said:
at default with auto setting, my ram are running at 1066mhz in the bios.

i bought those ram thinking they would be good but i didn't know anything about using it for my system at 2000mhz was overclocking.I could save money and buy more ram for same price.I am not a fan of overclocking as it decrease the life of the product.Thanks for lighting me.Very useful info there.


The DDR3-2000 MHz is a whole number multiplied by BCLK. Therefore, 167 would yield a number close to 2000 {167 X 12 = 2004}. In other words, select the number closest to 2000 MHz.

Q - What values 'are' available per BCLK = 167? If you can select 166.66... then that yields 2000.
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April 16, 2011 8:40:58 PM

at 166 i can select 1997mhz
at 167 i can select 2009mhz
i cannot select number after the . it only 166 or 167 after no 166.xx number

here picture of AIDA64 saying it 1333mhz ?!
same for cpu say it 2.8ghz
why is win7 say 2.27 ghz?


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maybe u understand these info better that i do, Aida64 is Evrest
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April 16, 2011 9:23:04 PM

I'm not talking at all about the CPU Multiplier; I was talking about how the Memory Multiplier 'works.'

Example:
BCLK 167 MHz
CPU Multiplier = 17 ; 17 x 167 MHz = 2839 MHz == 2.84 GHz CPU Frequency
Memory Multiplier = 12 ; 12 x 167 MHz = 2004 MHz DRAM Frequency

ASUS calculates the values for you in the form of the DRAM Frequency using 'whole' numbers. The values calculated are rounded to the Multiplier X BCLK.

Therefore, use either of the following for your DRAM Frequency:
"at 166 i can select 1997mhz
at 167 i can select 2009mhz "


[1] Manual BCLK & lower CPU Multiplier **
BIOS:
CPU Ratio Setting -> 18 ; = 2.83 GHz}
BCLK Frequency -> 167 MHz
AI OC Tuner -> Manual
DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-2009 MHz
DRAM Timing Control / Enter
DRAM CAS# Latency -> 9
DRAM RAS# to CAS# -> 9
DRAM RAS# PRE Time -> 9
DRAM RAS# ACT Time -> 27
-
DRAM Timing Mode -> 2N

QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.30v
DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60~1.64v {use the lowest stable voltage}
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April 16, 2011 9:49:02 PM

ok i did couple of test

test-1
Cpu Ratio Setting=18x
BCLK Frequency=167
Dram Frequency ddr3-2009mhz
Result = OVERCLOCK FAIL!! No BOOT

test-2
Cpu Ratio Setting=17x
BCLK Frequency=167
Dram Frequency ddr3-2009mhz
Result = OVERCLOCK FAIL!! No BOOT

test-3
Cpu Ratio Setting=18x
BCLK Frequency=166
Dram Frequency ddr3-1997mhz
Result = OVERCLOCK FAIL!! No BOOT

test-4
Cpu Ratio Setting=17x
BCLK Frequency=166
Dram Frequency ddr3-1997mhz
Result = OVERCLOCK FAIL!! No BOOT

test-5
Cpu Ratio Setting=18x
BCLK Frequency=167
Dram Frequency ddr3-1674mhz
Result = Boot Success

cpuz report cpu speed of 3002.6mhz
SPD Tab never changed

AIDA64 info on my ram still say 1333mhz maybe it bad report

window 7 say 2.4ghz now...must be a bug all other program report 3000mhz and my bios also...

any program i can use that should report my ram speed in window?

What should i do from now trying to get maximum of my Dram Frequency with succesful boot?
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April 16, 2011 10:40:51 PM

I just found that info
http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=6154

this guys have almost same setup that me and having trouble too and he was using bios 108. He Updated to 308 and now he say everything work...QPI set to 1.4....

Should i upgrade my bios to 308?
I would like to know how to do it and i currently have no floppy disk installed on my system.

I am here
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=P6...

i downloaded the bios lastest 508 version and it a .rom file

then what i should do with it?

i've done it before on some older computer with a floopy disk and a program .

i just wanna make sure i do it right...
There is only one program in bios-utility called
AFUDOS241.exe
there is no instruction or procedure :( 

My guess is ... i don't know, i'm lost for now :hello:  :hello:  :hello: 
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April 17, 2011 12:55:52 PM

Next rule-out a CAS issues,try the following. If it's a CAS issue then clearly those sticks were NOT tested. CAS 9 for 2000 MHz is possible, but most are CAS 10 or 9-10-9-27 or 9-11-9-27 with Command rates of 2T {2N}.

Manual BCLK & lower CPU Multiplier **
BIOS:
CPU Ratio Setting -> 18 ; = 2.83 GHz}
BCLK Frequency -> 167 MHz
AI OC Tuner -> Manual
DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-2009 MHz
DRAM Timing Control / Enter
DRAM CAS# Latency -> 10
DRAM RAS# to CAS# -> 10
DRAM RAS# PRE Time -> 10
DRAM RAS# ACT Time -> 27
-
DRAM Timing Mode -> 2N

QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.30v
DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60~1.64v {use the lowest stable voltage}
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April 17, 2011 2:04:18 PM

Hi, i tired all those with no luck,

refering to my manual and there a feature called ez-flash that can flash bios wihout a floppy disk.Should be easy enough for me to update it to 508 lastest version.


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April 17, 2011 2:43:14 PM

Yeah i've done that i got 508 now and did couple of test with docp 2006mhz and dosen't work
tired x.m.p 2009mhz still not working, and it is true that
QPI/DRAM Core Voltage is 1.4 now.

dunno why x.m.p put timing at 3N instead of 2N i tired both. not working

dunno why docp 2006mhz profil put my
Dram Bus Voltage to 2.0v
wich will damage my cpu permanently so i just manualy set it to 1.6v and they also changed the
DRAM RAS# ACT Time to 24
instead of 27 i tired both setup no success...

the only other profil that was in docp is 1805mhz and i manualy set my

DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60
DRAM Timing Mode -> 2N

it does work but why can't i use 2000mhz and what cause my computer not to boot when i'm testing?
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April 17, 2011 3:30:51 PM

It isn't you MOBO, it seems clearly it's your RAM + CPU just isn't up to running 2000 MHz. On my i7 980X I'm using 2000 MHz GT, DRAM Voltage -> 1.70v and QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.30v+ - but I'm also running an OC of 4.4GHz and 4.6GHz with: BCLK 180's+, Hyper-Threading = off, and a variety of other voltage, etc tweaks. Plus a full water system incl the GPUs.

1N, 2N & 3N - 1N & 2000 MHz forget it, 2N is the sweet spot, and 3N defeats the frequency advantage.

Bad Voltages:
DRAM Voltage > 2.0v
QPI/DRAM Core Voltage > 1.45v

Therefore, you have a couple of choices: 1. Run the RAM at 1600 MHz, 2. RMA the RAM and hope the outcome is better, 3. Get a better set as listed above but still hope the outcome is better. The challenge is get the 2000 MHz to run stable on Bloomfield CPUs, and in most instances it's a flip of the coin without a full OC. The differences between 1600 to 2000 is negligible {assuming a lower CAS + lower frequency}, but with the ADDED CPU OC + 2000 MHz RAM yep it starts adding up. I had it in my head day 1 to get a stable and longterm 4.5GHz rig and OC the crap out of everything.

My typical 'Everyday' rig is: i7 930 @ stock, ASUS P6X58D-E, and 1600 MHz CAS 8 Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 3X2GB which are like a rock. On my EVGA I started with GT CMG6GX3M3A1600C7 {damn good memory} and fairly recently went with CMT12GX3M3A2000C9 running a tighter 8-10-8-27 @ 2100+ MHz.

Here's an excellent article from {Lsdmeasap Mr Tweak Town} http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26... It shows various tests on 2000 MHz RAM from sane to insane.
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April 17, 2011 6:56:13 PM

I bought those ram more that 1 year ago off ebay.

I just played crysis 2 for 4 hours straight and no crash so i can assume it working better with lastest bios.

D.O.C.P + manual change
BIOS:
CPU Ratio Setting -> 19 ; = 2.848 GHz}
BCLK Frequency -> 150 MHz
DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-1806 MHz
DRAM CAS# Latency -> 9
DRAM RAS# to CAS# -> 9
DRAM RAS# PRE Time -> 9
DRAM RAS# ACT Time -> 27
-
DRAM Timing Mode -> 2N

QPI/DRAM Core Voltage -> 1.40v
DRAM Bus Voltage -> 1.60

Now my ram are set better that the 1066mhz that default used to.
i don't really want to run them 2000mhz at all just 1806mhz is fine for me.

I got a h50 corsair cooler on my cpu and i think i could raise it a little.

with the setting i'm at right now what would you suggest me?

TESTED prime95 for 1 hour 20min until i get a blue screen saying window shut down to prevent damage...
Self-test 1024K passed!
Self-test 8K passed!
Self-test 10K passed!
Self-test 896K passed!

cpu temperature on core 1 max was 65c was mostly 59c~60c
other core max temp was 61c

i was watching youtube using firefox at the time blue screen happend.
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April 17, 2011 10:41:41 PM

60C is okay running Prime95. Leave then at what you've got! :) 

Write down and keep those settings.

I ass-u-me that you have the H50 either on a non-CPU Fan_Header <OR> better with the 'CPU FAN SPEED' at it's maximum speed. CPU Q-Fan Control [Disabled]

Optional OC the CPU: {just talking here, I 'can' read.
And if you want try increasing the ration to 20~22 and keep an eye on the temps. The reason I saw this is at some point you'll probably want to 'maybe' OC the CPU. The i7 930 sometimes does better with a higher BCLK and lower CPU multiplier -- part of the fun dialing-in an OC is to see what BCLK :: Ratio yields. Don't be too worried about about raising the CPU voltage +0.1~0.2v. Further, most games completely ignore Hyper-Threading -- HT adds a lot of heat with NO gain in performance, so turn-off HT.
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April 17, 2011 11:54:42 PM

My h50 is plugged on the cpu fan pin if it what you mean, my q-fan control was already set to disable it running at 1400 rpm all the time.HT is disable now and im running prime95 seem to heat much less. 58c is max.

Q. What cpu voltage is normaly before i add 1 ~ 2 volt to it and when i would need to raise it?

Q.When is the BCLK getting to high? you said 166~167 pretty much and AIDA64 said it = to 25% overclocking.What is safe for me as my computer running 24/7.

P7270 on 3dmark 11 with lastest driver 270.61. :D 
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