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May 31, 2010 8:36:11 PM

Hello,

I am looking to replace the graphics card for my computer. I need a new graphics card for gaming and most likely a new PSU as well as the current PSU only provides 350W.

Here are the specs for my computer:

Model: HP m8530f
OS: Windows Vista Home Premium 64 bit
CPU: AMD Phenom 9550 Quad Processor 2.2 GHz
Memory (RAM): 5 GB
Graphics Card: Geforce 9400 (Geforce 8200 + Geforce 9300)
Motherboard: ASUS M2N78-LA (Viola)
Monitor: HP w2207h, 22" with 1680 x1050 screen resolution though with current graphics card it can go up to 1920 x 1080 I believe

Which card would give me the best performance without major bottlenecking? I know this system would not be able to handle games which require powerful CPUs like Crysis at max settings with AA even with a powerful card. For now I am just looking for a graphics card that can handle milder games like Dragon Age Origins at max settings without any issues. Thanks.

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May 31, 2010 8:45:10 PM

you can get an ATI 5750, it will run fine on a 350w PSU and handle your games plus 1680x1050 with no problem

a few things though
5GB of RAM? 2x2GB and 2x512mb sticks?

if your monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050 then you wont be able to run 1920 x 1080 even with the best card out there, native res is as high as current LCD can go.
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May 31, 2010 9:09:46 PM

ct1615 said:
you can get an ATI 5750, it will run fine on a 350w PSU and handle your games plus 1680x1050 with no problem

a few things though
5GB of RAM? 2x2GB and 2x512mb sticks?

if your monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050 then you wont be able to run 1920 x 1080 even with the best card out there, native res is as high as current LCD can go.



1.)How long will such a card last before it has to be replaced? I know the computer will soon have to be replaced especially if I am going to play heavy graphics games (motherboard would not accept much better CPU), but I would like to hang on to a new card for at least 1 year before thinking about getting a new computer. Would a ATI 5770, 5830, 5850 or GTX 260-275 be a better choice longterm?


2.)On my control panel, it says the computer has 5 GB of RAM. I found a link to Newegg that shows the same model as mine though the Graphics card is different from the one I have in my computer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



3.)Ah, makes sense. My question is why would the card I received with the computer give me the option to go to that rez when the monitor would not support it? I am by far not an expert in PC components.
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May 31, 2010 9:14:40 PM

jyjjy said:
Something in the area of a HD5750/HD4850/GTS 250 would be a good choice. Like you said your processor is going to limit you in the more cpu intensive games and the PSU will need to be upgraded.
These are good deals;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Would it make a difference if I can a card factory OCed? I have never overclocked any computer component, so I am afraid I would fry the graphics card by accident. There is a GTS 250 of same model OCed on Newegg and has a 1 GB Memory size instead of 512MB if that makes a difference:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 31, 2010 9:15:35 PM

The HD5750 will give you good performance at 1680 x1050 for a while. When you upgrade get a system with a crossfire motherboard. 2 in crossfire will give you performance higher than a stock HD5850. Here is an article on the subject;
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-h...
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May 31, 2010 9:17:27 PM

1) the MSI 5750 jyjjy linked is on sale until the end of today* and will last you over a year if you plan to keep the same monitor. Plus it supports DX 11 for win 7 when you get your new PC. The real issue in your PC is your CPU, its slow and most games will only use two cores. Luckily for you dragon age will use all four cores.

2) 5GB is nice but i doubt your PC will ever use more then 3-4GB

3) just about any modern day video card will support up to 2560 x 1600 res, even the $20 ones intended only for video display.

* the PC you linked has a Nvidia 8200 mobo so I assume yours does also. That mobo has PCI-2.0 so the MSI 5750 2.1 card will work with no issue. If your mobo's graphic slot is PCI-E 1.0 then get aa ATI 5750 2.0 card rather then a 2.1.
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May 31, 2010 9:25:51 PM

So it is better to go with the AMD cards instead of Nvidia because of DX 11? The reason I thought about getting a ATI card was because generally I heard they consume less power, not as hot, and quieter than their Nvidia counterparts. I thought the CPU would be the weak spot. I took a look here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-core-i5-...

The motherboard is outdated as well, so if I have to replace the CPU, the motherboard will have to go as well. I think it would be better to buy a new computer all together in the future.

Also, would this card work as well?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The reason I am asking is because I heard it is a great card and it is not much more expense than the 5750 counterpart.
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May 31, 2010 9:30:38 PM

i actually own the GTS 250 you linked, its a great card and I would recommend it to anyone. You would need to upgrade your PSU though to run it. Everything you stated about ATI is true and currently they have the upper hand against Nvidia in price for performance, cooler running cards, power efficiency and DX 11 models at various price points.

the Nvidia 9800GTX+, GTS250, ATI 5750 and 4850 all offer the same level of performance. The ATI 5750 requires less power and offers DX 11 (you would need win 7 to run DX11 games). All the cards can run DX10 games on your system. There is currently not a major difference between the two versions of DX.
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May 31, 2010 9:34:49 PM

That HD5770 is nice but the HD5750 I linked is a full $87.50 less after the rebate. Also you will definitely need a new PSU for that card while you can probably get away with the HD5750 on a 350w PSU.
FYI overclocking a video card is both simple and safe. There's no reason not to so paying for someone else to do it for you is pointless.
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May 31, 2010 9:45:37 PM

The problem is I do not know the quality of the current PSU for my computer. If it is of poor quality, it may hinder the other parts. I may have to replace it anyway just to be on the safe side. I have heard Corsair is a good brand name for PSUs, any others?

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May 31, 2010 9:49:45 PM

Upgrading the PSU is a good idea. You can always move it over to a new system when you build one. Corsair is a good brand. Some others are Antec, OCZ, Enermax, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling. This is a good deal with the rebate and the promo code;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 31, 2010 9:53:21 PM

your PSU should be fine for the 5750. If you want to upgrade, the better units are all made by seasonic and sold under the names of Antec, Corsair, XFX, PC Power & Cooling, and Seasonic.

OCZ also sells some solid budget priced models.

the Corsair 450w is usually on sale in Newegg and will have more then enough power for future upgrades.
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May 31, 2010 9:53:42 PM

IceCreamRaider said:
Sorry for asking so many questions, but another one is does the brand name for GPUs make a huge difference? For instance I can get this 5750 from XFX for the same price as the one from MSI without any mail-in rebates:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That'll be fine. A $30 rebate is nice though. They are both good brands.
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May 31, 2010 9:54:30 PM

IceCreamRaider said:
Sorry for asking so many questions, but another one is does the brand name for GPUs make a huge difference? For instance I can get this 5750 from XFX for the same price as the one from MSI without any mail-in rebates:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


the brand wont make a major difference and XFX offers a double life warranty on all their video cards.
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May 31, 2010 10:05:06 PM

Alright, with that price for the R5750, I will probably try to grab it tonight and see if the PSU can handle it or not. If not, then I get it a new PSU from Newegg with free shipping anyway, so I would not gain anything if I buy both a new graphics card and psu.

Thanks for your help ct1615 and jyjjy.
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June 5, 2010 8:11:38 PM

An update: I have received the msi 5750 from Newegg and have placed it in my computer. I placed the CD in and followed the quick instructions from the manual on how to install the VGA card driver. After installation was complete, I received a "success"; however stated in the installation details it said the HDMI audio driver failed to install. After rebooting the computer, I received an error message stating the driver adapter is "disabled" because it was incompatible with the VGA adapter.

This is the entire message I received: "Incompatible display adapter has been disabled. At least one display adapter on the system has been disabled because its driver is not compatible with the driver for the VGA adapter"

I have no idea what this means, but I do know that driver adapter is aka the video card so something is definitely wrong here.
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