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1000-1900 first time builder Gaming and Graphic Design

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July 11, 2010 6:51:40 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE:this week

BUDGET RANGE: 1000-1900

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, Adobe CS4-5 (whenever I can afford to upgrade)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, microcenter, frys

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel

OVERCLOCKING:Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 x1 1680x1050 x1

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I like the assassin case from digital storm, is there something similar that is available without buying something from them?


Here are the parts I chose, maybe it's overkill?

ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

with
CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OR this combo

Antec P193 Gunmetal Gray Aluminum / Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Antec CP-850 850W Continuous Power CPX SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC "
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GV-N480D5-15I-B GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I chose some RAM but it's disappeared from my cart so, i'm open to suggestions, but I think I want 6 gbs

UPDATED QUESTIONS:

ANSWERED 1) I selected a SATA 6 gb/s mobo and HD does that mean it will actually transfer at that rate? If not, what's the point of SATA 6 gb/s?

ANSWERED 2) I'd prefer parts that are known to be compatible, are there any parts on my list that are not compatible?

ANSWERED 3) I'm not sure about the gigabyte GPU, I've heard EVGA is better... is it worth getting that one instead?

ANSWERED 4) I've been reading a lot about SLI/CF, but if I'm just getting one 480, do I really need an i7 or should I go with a cheaper i5 or even i3 on a 1156 which I've heard would be cheaper? Will it screw me over in any significant way? i read somewhere that the PCI pipes are on the CPU for 1156, is that true? What's the deal with that?

5) Do I need any additional fans, heat sinks, cooling etc? Can you recommend a quit one that will be useful for possible over-clocking?

ANSWERED 6) There have been lots of recommendations from people on this forum to get lower latency ram, can someone explain what the benefit is?

7) On the Microcenter website the FSB for the The P6X58D says "QPI Up to 6400 MT/s" on Neweggs it's listed as "QPI Up to 6400 GT/s" why is it different? Do I have to make sure the FSB matches specs for any other parts?


8) Really need some help with the case, I have two listed, but both of them I sort of feel meh about, anyone know of a case that is similar to the digital storm assassin case?
July 11, 2010 8:19:34 PM

1) No HDD will even saturate SATA 3Gbps, I don't know why WD came up with a SATA 6Gbps controller for that HDD, maybe so they could have one tested in the real world ready for a future SSD? IMO the cheaper Samsung Spinpoint F3, Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 are better value for money.

2) Yes it's all compatible.

3) Don't think it really matters. Altho I've heard EVGA fanboys say nice things about their customer support, but they would say that... Also doesn't mean that other brands don't have good customer support.

4) For gaming you definitely dont need more than an i5-750. You would save a decent amount on the CPU and RAM (going down to 4GB - again all you need for gaming). The P55 chipset only allows the PCI-E slots to be split into a maximum of two x8 links. This has been shown to bottleneck two 5870s to the tune of 4% compared to dual x16 on X58. So my hunch is that it would be more with 480s, altho I doubt that it would even be 10%. However you can get 1156 (NF200) motherboards with dual x16 slots; altho these cost around the same price as 1366 mobos. Otherwise the Asus P7P55D-E Pro is probably the best choice. But I think you'd still be saving overall.

5) Either case will have all the fans you'll need. You would need a heatsink if you were going to OC or wanted to eradicate some noise.

6) Lower latency means that it takes less time for the RAM to communicate with the CPU, so theoretically that means that it's faster, altho I've only ever seen significant differences in synthetic benchmarks.

I think that if you want to be able to power two 480s then I think the Corsair 850 would be better as it has more power on it's 12V rail than the Antec CP-850. If you're not taking the rebate on the Corsair TX850, then this is slightly cheaper and more efficient: Seasonic S12D 850 80Plus Silver $120 ($5 shipping). The Corsair has a couple of extra inches on it's CPU connector, which you might want to aid in cable management. Altho I think the length is perfectly adequate on the Seasonic.
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July 11, 2010 9:21:09 PM

Thanks Silvune for the reply.

A couple more questions that came up...

5b) eradicate some noise? How does a heatsink eradicate noise?

6b) Any specific recommendations for Ram?

7) What about Photoshop, hundreds of layers, at large resolutions would that benefit from an i7?

8) On the Microcenter website the FSB for the The P6X58D says "QPI Up to 6400 MT/s" on Neweggs it's listed as "QPI Up to 6400 GT/s" why is it different? Do I have to make sure the FSB matches specs for any other parts?
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July 11, 2010 9:22:39 PM

What part from CS4 are you using mostly? If it's adobe premier you'll want the i7. If it's photoshop a core i5 is fine. If you're just using adobe acrobat the core I3 is sufficient.

CS4-5 doesn't really state what you're doing because it's a suite of software.
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July 11, 2010 9:29:24 PM

A good aftermarket CPU coolers are much quieter than the stock Intel heatsink.
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July 11, 2010 10:55:41 PM

I made a build for my friend, thought I'd post it:

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 750W PSU & Gigabyte GTX 480
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR & CM HAF 922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Intel Core i7-930
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hyper 212+ @ Micro Center $19.99

GRAND TOTAL AR: $1445

If you want future SLI, you'd need to upgrade the mobo and PSU.
=] Hope it helps some.

OH, and magnet... with the price of the i7 930 at Micro Center(regardless of whether you NEED it now or not) makes it worth buying over the i5's. $199 seems like a no-brainer to me.
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July 12, 2010 1:01:38 AM

thanks everyone for the help, I updated the question list with what has been answered and what I still need help with. Thanks again.
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July 12, 2010 12:55:45 PM

6) My usual recommendation for a high end CPU aircooler is the Prolimatech Megahalems, which is not available on newegg atm, if you were to get it from somewhere else, the fan I usually recommend with it is the Scythe S-Flex 1600RPM fan as it has the best airflow of the ones on SPCR's recommended fan list. You could also get the Noctua NH-U12P SE2 or the Thermalright Venomous X RT which is somekind of revision of the Venomous X if you want to find about more about it. And finally a more budget orientated one: Scythe Mugen 2. You would probably want to buy Arctic Silver 5 with any heatsink, even if they include some, as AC5 will likely be a bit better.

7) One of the sites just made a mistake. I don't understand things to do with FSBs etc, but it's not going to be a compatibility concern, possibly "matching specs" might be more suitable for overclocking, but I don't know this and I wouldn't be able to advise you how to achieve it.

8) Have a look at the Silverstone FT02. I've read in one thread that this is the case they actually used, just made some modifications.

For RAM, 1600mhz and low voltage would be useful for overclocking. This is one of the only sets I've seen on newegg that is 1600mhz and has voltage below 1.6: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) 998659B (9-9-9-24) 1.5-1.6V $160. Unfortunately the latency is quite high, altho I think you would easily be able to bring those numbers down. The upper limit on RAM for 1366 is 1.65V, so if you don't fancy OCing your RAM to get lower latencies then you could probably go for a stick with 1.65V.
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