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June 6, 2010 12:49:43 AM

I have built a new PC, but the piece of hardware I am missing is the graphics card. I can't decide between a GTX 480 or HD 5870. The Nvidia Fermi cards are toasters that can go up to 100 *C in cases with poor airflow. The HD 5870 run at almost half the temperature of the Fermi cards, and is almost identical in performance to the Fermi.

The hardware store I bought all my computer parts from, does NOT carry the HD 5870. Only the GTX 480. I may have absolutely no choice but to buy the Fermi.

At an average temperature of 70/96 *C idle/load, I'm not sure how long that card will last before it dies. Not to mention the ear-piercing fan noise at heavy loads.

This Sapphire HD 5870 Vapor-X was my initial choice, but I cannot find it for sale retail, ANYWHERE!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 6, 2010 1:11:43 AM

The GTX480 isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Temps DO indeed get up to 100c in mid-range or below cases, and the fan ISN'T as quiet as a kitten, but it's not ear-splitting.

As-per-performance.

The GTX480 is on average 5% better. It handles AA better, and does DX11/tessellation good as well.
But as you said, it is a power-sucking monster, using 80+ more watts than the HD5870.

Can you tell us what other components you chose are?
June 6, 2010 1:33:34 AM

5870 all the way, baby.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 6, 2010 2:46:04 AM

Maybe he wants to save $100? Not to mention a $500 HD5870 would be equal or very close to a GTX480, and it would be a non-reference extremely cooled card.
a b U Graphics card
June 6, 2010 2:54:28 AM

OMG what a dilemma , you buy it online? Your computer is not complete , why come here and moan about all the cons of a card you don't have to buy ? A 500 dollar card no less ? Buy the card that you think runs almost as fast, runs half as cool and should make you happy ! Problem solved. The power of choice is a wonderful thing, lol
a b U Graphics card
June 6, 2010 3:11:16 AM

if you live in america, let me introduce you to the wonderful world of NEWEGG!!!!

http://www.newegg.com/
June 6, 2010 5:25:43 AM

shadow187 said:
The GTX480 isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Temps DO indeed get up to 100c in mid-range or below cases, and the fan ISN'T as quiet as a kitten, but it's not ear-splitting.

As-per-performance.

The GTX480 is on average 5% better. It handles AA better, and does DX11/tessellation good as well.
But as you said, it is a power-sucking monster, using 80+ more watts than the HD5870.

Can you tell us what other components you chose are?


Core i7 930
ASUS P6T SE
Patriot 6GB DDR3 1333 MHz Tri-channel
Corsair TX850 850W PSU
CoolerMaster HAF 932 full tower case
2TB 7200 RPM Hitachi HDD
ZALMAN CNPS9900 copper CPU cooler (stock Intel cooler is absolute rubbish)
W7HP 64-bit
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 6, 2010 3:22:44 PM

Seeing as how you have an x58-class motherboard, I would get an HD5850 ASUS DirectCU edition. It's ~$320, much cheaper, and then crossfire another one when you get another $140. It is very much worth it, and will provide performance beyond anything you would imagine, and work just fine on your PSU.

As for why ASUS DirectCU, that card is the overclocking king of the HD5850s, and will beat an HD5870 when at 975/1200 core/memory. Some have reportedly gone above 1kcore/1.2kmem, but that's the standard. Also note that while overclocked the HD5850 will still remain very cool, and 2x OC HD5850 will work on your PSU just fine.
a b U Graphics card
June 7, 2010 12:35:24 AM

shadow187 said:
Seeing as how you have an x58-class motherboard, I would get an HD5850 ASUS DirectCU edition. It's ~$320, much cheaper, and then crossfire another one when you get another $140. It is very much worth it, and will provide performance beyond anything you would imagine, and work just fine on your PSU.

As for why ASUS DirectCU, that card is the overclocking king of the HD5850s, and will beat an HD5870 when at 975/1200 core/memory. Some have reportedly gone above 1kcore/1.2kmem, but that's the standard. Also note that while overclocked the HD5850 will still remain very cool, and 2x OC HD5850 will work on your PSU just fine.


This is probably the best suggestion, i think the 5xxx series will be around for quite awhile, this is really been ati's equivalent of nvidia's 8xxx series and looking now how cheap they are and still around in plentiful quantities. The 5850 should satisfy any game for a few years to come, really maybe even more until we see the next gen consoles, (curse you consoles)
June 7, 2010 1:50:36 AM

Is an 850W PSU enough for a single HD 5970?

What is the maximum power consumption of an HD 5970 at 100% load?
a b U Graphics card
June 7, 2010 2:01:55 AM

ambam said:
Is an 850W PSU enough for a single HD 5970?

What is the maximum power consumption of an HD 5970 at 100% load?


294 Watts IIRC.

An 850W PSU should be enough to power 2 5970's.
June 7, 2010 2:10:52 AM

alextheawesome said:
294 Watts IIRC.

An 850W PSU should be enough to power 2 5970's.


Off-topic, but I heard that some people blow the circuit breakers in their houses when they try to power up a 1,500W PSU. This is mostly used for Tri-SLI GTX 285/480.

A high-quality 850W PSU can power Two HD 5970's but it is not advised. A 1KW+ PSU is recommended for those cards.
June 7, 2010 2:24:38 AM

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An household power socket is 120V@10A, theoretically the maximum output is only 1200 watts, so blown circuit breakers should actually be expected.

lol, now for Tri-firing fermis, you'll also need one of the fat washer/dryer power plugs..


Do some PSU's literally have plugs for 220V outlets?

I know that power outlets in Europe have a much higher capacity than the they do in the United States.
June 8, 2010 3:41:12 AM

A superclocked HD 5870 will par/rival the performance of a GTX 480 at stock speeds. Even overclocked, it will still probably run cooler.

Fermi has too many problems. ATI FTW!
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 4:03:51 AM

That it hasn't been manufactured.
June 8, 2010 4:18:11 AM

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What problems does Fermi have ati fanboi?

Why settle for a 5870 when you can have the best. Also you can overclock the 480 to 900+mhz. Do a search. Even 1Ghz has been done.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidiageforcegtx480launch_032610115215/22162.png


Fermi requires water cooling for overclocking. It runs 70/96 idle/load at stock speeds, and can exceed 100*C in cases with poor airflow. I can't even begin to comprehend trying to overclock with it's reference cooler unless you want it to get damaged/destroyed.

Multiple Fermi's in SLI would certainly outperform a single HD 5870.

The GTX 480 is only about 5-10% faster than the HD 5870 when both compared at stock speeds. It can also handle tesselation and DX11 slightly better.

The problems Fermi has is it constantly overheats, you can hear the fan from Two rooms away, it uses over 250W of power and it is barely faster than the HD 5870.

Wait until the HD 6xxx series "Northern Island" graphics cards in 2011. I'd like to see what screaming toaster Nvidia has to counter it.

I had an HD 4850 which was factory-defective and ran @85/110 idle and load. Needless to say it didn't last very long (less than a year) and had to be thrown away. I don't want to have that same problem with another GPU.
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 4:27:41 AM

Actually Ambam, Northern Islands has been delayed because of the 28nm switch. Southern islands, a 40nm Hybrid, will be out in a few months, and will wear the 6K moniker.
June 8, 2010 9:13:45 AM

shadow187 said:
Actually Ambam, Northern Islands has been delayed because of the 28nm switch. Southern islands, a 40nm Hybrid, will be out in a few months, and will wear the 6K moniker.


Will the Southern and Northern Island graphics cards be a milestone faster than the current 5xxx series? Much like the HD 5870 was literally Twice as fast than the HD 4870?

I would imagine that the bottleneck posed by the HD 6xxx series will choke the hell out of even a 4.0 GHz Core i7, especially in crossfirex.

Both AMD and Intel have entirely new microarchitecture, 4-6-8 core CPU's set for release in 2011. "Bulldozer" and "Sandy Bridge".
June 8, 2010 12:00:47 PM

ambam said:
Is an 850W PSU enough for a single HD 5970?


I have two 5970's on a Corsair 850HX and OC'd to GPU's@900mhz & MEM's@1200mhz and it was very stable...but downclocked cause it isn't needed...smashes anything i throw at it stock. But my justification for the 2 was eyefinity...not needed otherwise.

ATI's driver team has been pretty shitty since getting the card 6 months ago...but performance is going up 5-10% with every driver release. I recommend ATI man...the fermi is a nice chip, but as already stated...noise and heat are 1. Annoying & 2. Going to reduce the life of the card. Save your $100 and just get the 5870.

And who cares about 5-10%, when your just gonna throw vsync on and limit the frames to 60 a second anyway...think about it.
June 8, 2010 12:07:24 PM

Off-topic, but what kind of fps will I be getting playing Crysis and Crysis Warhead on very high/enthusiast settings on 1024x768 resolution with 0x AA using a single HD 5870 with my i7 930 @ 2.8 GHz? I know that may be a low resolution, but in order to play the game in high-def with AA enabled, you usually need a flagship crossfireX/SLI setup.

High resolutions is not the difference between night and day like most people say it is. It can mean the difference between 60+ fps and <10 fps.
June 8, 2010 12:11:24 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422...

Here @1680x1050 you'll be getting 40ish. I can only speculate...but at that resolution i'd expect 50-60 if not more.

EDIT: I just need to say this cause it's eating at me. Who really cares what frames you get on crysis at high? Sure it's nice to get into the game and have a look at how pretty it is...but 5mins later after splashing around in the insanely good looking water...you realise how boring the game really is...and never play it again. Sure, as a benchmarking game it's good...but I wouldn't be basing what card I buy off a 2 year old game when games now look just as good and get better framerates. That being said...Bring on crysis 2 baby! Give my 5970's a workout!!
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 2:18:25 PM

ambam said:
Will the Southern and Northern Island graphics cards be a milestone faster than the current 5xxx series? Much like the HD 5870 was literally Twice as fast than the HD 4870?

I would imagine that the bottleneck posed by the HD 6xxx series will choke the hell out of even a 4.0 GHz Core i7, especially in crossfirex.

Both AMD and Intel have entirely new microarchitecture, 4-6-8 core CPU's set for release in 2011. "Bulldozer" and "Sandy Bridge".


It's going to be small, hopefully a 25-30% increase. Southern Islands is a placeholder for Nothern Islands, the 28nm GPU.
June 8, 2010 2:39:41 PM

shadow187 said:
It's going to be small, hopefully a 25-30% increase. Southern Islands is a placeholder for Nothern Islands, the 28nm GPU.


When will Moore's law hit a stone wall, and the laws of physics prevent a transistor from becoming any smaller? How will electronic engineers and computer scientists make micro-processors faster, more powerful and efficient, without further decreasing the size of a transistor on the silicon die?
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 4:55:55 PM

When parallel computing is hardware limited and not software limited.
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 5:44:25 PM

Fermi hasn't been manufactured yet.

June 8, 2010 6:14:46 PM

Id go for GTX 480
a b U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 6:46:17 PM

Get yourself two 5850s and crossfire it.
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