AMD's Zacate/LLano Fusion Chips look Competitive/Delayed!

[GunBladeType-T]

Zacate 1st Off seems like a Smart move with A GPU DX11 80 Stream proccessor's that show faster performance in DX11 Titles running some at 30FPS, while the Intel ICore-5 is a few FPS! Good for single player gaming and around 18 watts competes against the Atom Proccessor Interestingly. Intel doesn't seems to want to add DX11 support which gives AMD a performance edge, just maybe media extension for Video Decoding and performance and converting Media Files. Good position for AMD in the Mini Atom Market!

LLano is Delayed until summer of 2011 which brings the question what will Intel have to compete against LLano? 1Q production is when its ramping up which is soon, but AMD doesn't have the FABs as Intel, plus it has delays sometimes which kinda shoots them in the Foot! AMD K6-3 and Athlon FX 51+55 were executed perfectly and put them in a good position vs. Intel. 480 Stream Proccessor looks pretty impressive but delayed until Next Year is a misfire when you have some good Titles for the Holidays Possibly F.e.a.r. 3 and Doom IV!

Sandy bridge looks to have a Media Access Unit and A GPU, but gives Intel some time to make some tweaks to the Proccessor, I still think that 480 Stream Proccessors are fast especially with early benchmarks of Zacate so it should be interesting!

 

[GunBladeType-T]

Zacate 1st Off seems like a Smart move with A GPU DX11 80 Stream proccessor's that show faster performance in DX11 Good for single player gaming and around 18 watts competes against the Atom Proccessor Interestingly. Intel doesn't seems to want to add DX11 support which gives AMD a performance edge, just maybe media extension for Video Decoding and performance and converting Media Files. Good position for AMD in the Mini Atom Market! Ontario I read is around 9Watts and has integrated graphics for NetBook! Which is competing directly vs. Atom Netbooks!

LLano is Delayed until summer of 2011 which brings the question what will Intel have to compete against LLano? 1Q production is when its ramping up which is soon, but AMD doesn't have the FABs as Intel, plus it has delays sometimes which kinda shoots them in the Foot! AMD K6-3 and Athlon FX 51+55 were executed perfectly and put them in a good position vs. Intel. 480 Stream Proccessor looks pretty impressive but delayed until Next Year is a misfire when you have some good Titles for the Holidays Possibly F.e.a.r. 3 and Doom IV!

Sandy bridge looks to have a Media Access Unit and A GPU, but gives Intel some time to make some tweaks to the Proccessor, I still think that 480 Stream Proccessors are fast especially with early benchmarks of Zacate so it should be interesting!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3920/amd-benchmarks-zacate-apu-2x-faster-gpu-performance-than-core-i5
Another Review puts the ICore-5 14 - 19 fps vs. performance in the 27 - 34 fps range on Zacate
Another interesting website!

 

[eyefinity]

I dont think anybody here likes to read about AMD spanking intel gunblade.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I think its more of a wait n see thing.
Too many disappointments in the past.
Also, many here in the past have claimed this type of perf on these smaller solutions arent desirable to them, tho I think that will change

 

[GunBladeType-T]

I dont think anybody here likes to read about AMD spanking intel gunblade.

No Windsdor Hands-Shake puns man, Anyways thanks for the post man amusing!

 

[jimmysmitty]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3920/amd-benchmarks-zacate-apu-2x-faster-gpu-performance-than-core-i5
Another Review puts the ICore-5 14 - 19 fps vs. performance in the 27 - 34 fps range on Zacate
Another interesting website!

Yea but Zecate wont really have to worry about current Core i5s in the Notebook market. They will rather have to worry about Sandy Bridge which was giving more than 2x the performance of current Core i5s GPUs and it wasn't even able to use Turbo for the GPU and might have been a low end version instead of a high end version.

It is nice though to see preliminary benchmarks starting to come out. Just ened to wait for real results and nothing setup by AMD. I would rather see Anand or THG doing the benchmarking since they wont try to splice it one way or the other.

I just hope this is competative enough to help AMD get back into the notebook market because ever since Intel put out the Pentium M, where Core came frome, AMD hasn't been doing quite as well.

I dont think anybody here likes to read about AMD spanking intel gunblade.

Its more that most of the people here have been around in the technology field to know not to trust anything thats given to you from the maker. If Intel says SB gives 2x GPU performance over Core i5, great. But in order for us to trust it most of us have a wait and see from thrid party sources.

There are your ocassional fanboys from both sides but most people here just want to be able to get the best performance for their price range. Some just want best performance no matter what price. And then others want best performance/value.

But trusting ANYTHING the maker of a product states is pointless. ATI (and I have owned ATI since th 9700Pro till my current HD4870) was using the TFLOPS as a marketing gimmick to show 2x performance gains but the problem was that that never translated into games.

 

[GunBladeType-T]

Best answer selected by GunBladeType-T.

 

[GunBladeType-T]

Yea but Zecate wont really have to worry about current Core i5s in the Notebook market. They will rather have to worry about Sandy Bridge which was giving more than 2x the performance of current Core i5s GPUs and it wasn't even able to use Turbo for the GPU and might have been a low end version instead of a high end version.

It is nice though to see preliminary benchmarks starting to come out. Just ened to wait for real results and nothing setup by AMD. I would rather see Anand or THG doing the benchmarking since they wont try to splice it one way or the other.

I just hope this is competative enough to help AMD get back into the notebook market because ever since Intel put out the Pentium M, where Core came frome, AMD hasn't been doing quite as well.



Its more that most of the people here have been around in the technology field to know not to trust anything thats given to you from the maker. If Intel says SB gives 2x GPU performance over Core i5, great. But in order for us to trust it most of us have a wait and see from thrid party sources.

There are your ocassional fanboys from both sides but most people here just want to be able to get the best performance for their price range. Some just want best performance no matter what price. And then others want best performance/value.

But trusting ANYTHING the maker of a product states is pointless. ATI (and I have owned ATI since th 9700Pro till my current HD4870) was using the TFLOPS as a marketing gimmick to show 2x performance gains but the problem was that that never translated into games.

It helps to have a proprietary game engine or API to get your complex chips on the market used to their max potential! or Even trying buying out a game engine thats popular! ATI's gear has some juice and a early entrance over Nvidia in DX11 but no games like Doom IV or F.e.a.r. 3 not sure about Vanquish to undercut NVidia! They have some Horsepower in their chips to do some damage, but no finish-him like MK Kung Lao split the Sector Fatality!

 

[jimmysmitty]

It helps to have a proprietary game engine or API to get your complex chips on the market used to their max potential! or Even trying buying out a game engine thats popular! ATI's gear has some juice and a early entrance over Nvidia in DX11 but no games like Doom IV or F.e.a.r. 3 not sure about Vanquish to undercut NVidia! They have some Horsepower in their chips to do some damage, but no finish-him like MK Kung Lao split the Sector Fatality!

Oh absolutley. ATIs GPU have some power but still suffer from a SP clock tied into the core clock. If they could clock their SP units at the same speed as nVidia, I believe they would make nVidia look like a Intel IGP. But they cannot.

Back in the day, before AMD bought ATI, ATI used to work with game devs. Source, VALVe HL2 engine, was designed on the 9800 GPU and still to this day you will see less people with problems on a Source based game than nVidia and also better performance. A guy started up ROllercoaster Tycoon 3 the other day and it had the ATI logo in the beginning.

That is the one thing I hate that AMD did. They stopped ATI from working with game devs. nVidia still does so thats why a lot of games give an advantage to nVidia. They are optimized for nVidias hardware and not for ATIs.

 

[GunBladeType-T]

Oh absolutley. ATIs GPU have some power but still suffer from a SP clock tied into the core clock. If they could clock their SP units at the same speed as nVidia, I believe they would make nVidia look like a Intel IGP. But they cannot.

Back in the day, before AMD bought ATI, ATI used to work with game devs. Source, VALVe HL2 engine, was designed on the 9800 GPU and still to this day you will see less people with problems on a Source based game than nVidia and also better performance. A guy started up ROllercoaster Tycoon 3 the other day and it had the ATI logo in the beginning.

That is the one thing I hate that AMD did. They stopped ATI from working with game devs. nVidia still does so thats why a lot of games give an advantage to nVidia. They are optimized for nVidias hardware and not for ATIs.

Well the ATI Radeon DDR AIW with tv tuner and DDRAM did some damage with the catalyst drivers and was competitive after 3dfx and matrox weren't competing anymore. The NV20 Geforce Ti-200 was fast and price pretty good on the market! After that ATI was very competitive with the Hyper-Z buffer and Truform Rendering that knocked out Nvidia until the Geforce FX/Geforce 6 lineup!Nvidia brought the Heat with the geforce fx 5800ultra cooler and geforce 6 sli! LMA was comparable to ATi but not as effective as I believe ATI had the 512bit token ring network! But delayed until R580! Get a Lucid Hydra and you can run both i wonder if it can replace ATI or Nvidia?

 

[jimmysmitty]

The HD2900 (R600) had a 512bit token ring bus system that pushed out 126GB/s memory bandwidth on GDDR3. I always imagine what it could do with current GDDR5.

ATI was great from the 9700Pro to the X1900. It made nVidia work. But their current lineup is not the best overall performer. Its great but in raw power, nVidia is better and has better multi-GPU scaling.

But ATI has the price, well somewhat.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

AMD didnt stop ATI from working with game devs, ever.
Its things like this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.techeye.net%2Fsoftware%2Fnvidia-spends-2000000-on-crysis-2&ei=znOSTMK3HMuhnAeItuD7Bw&usg=AFQjCNHWCbvdpxNVSWP6p8xnVqffi9vC2A thats bad for gaming, making once again a tilted playing field

 

[Mousemonkey]

So how much did ATi/AMD spend on Dirt 2 and AvP?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Not as much as nVidia did here.
Adding a benchmark plus tweaks?
Oh, and its for netbooks UNDER 500$
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4553984&postcount=209
Im not sayin anyones doin this, just sayin

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=68391&postcount=129

 

[jimmysmitty]

^What was the last game that had a ATI logo in the intro and was optimized specifically for ATI hardware? I can tell ya....

Source engine. 2004. Just a bit before the buy out began.

Hell they even removed the ATI logo from the subsiquent HL2 releases.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

It would seem, if ATI knew they were for sale, as you allude, then itd only behoove them to do more BEFORE any sale, not less.
Create more of a market name, up its worth.
How many games came out between then and the buyout?
And nothing?

 

[Mousemonkey]

The ATi logo appears on the Dirt 2 website but the Nvidia one doesn't, when it's the other way around the game is said to favour Nvidia hardware whether it does or not so why can it not be implied that this game favours ATi hardware?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

So, Crysis will be just another game?
Not a spearhead to raise the market appeal for nVidia?
Along with all that comes the "it wont (well maybe) never ever run on ATI cards (unable to, theyre too weak, devs forgot to remove if ATI then fail from game bench) etc etc
This is progress?

 

[jimmysmitty]

The ATi logo appears on the Dirt 2 website but the Nvidia one doesn't, when it's the other way around the game is said to favour Nvidia hardware whether it does or not so why can it not be implied that this game favours ATi hardware?

It might have been there due to the fact that ATI had a DX11 capable card out quite a bit before nVidia.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/nvidias_hot_rod_gtx_480_powerful_and_power_hungry?page=0,1

Thats a review when Fermi first hit. Its only a bit slower single than a HD5970.

Not saying anything bad about ATI, just that they don't seem to work as closley with the game devs as they used to. I think that Dirt 2s website only had an ATI logo due to DX11, and not because they optimized it for ATI hardware.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I agree jimmy. It wasnt an exclusive, only on ATI HW, with devs making it unaccessable to other branding.
This is just another reason why Im so happy with Intel entering into the gfx arena, itll calm this old cr4p down

 

[Mousemonkey]

It might have been there due to the fact that ATI had a DX11 capable card out quite a bit before nVidia.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/nvidias_hot_rod_gtx_480_powerful_and_power_hungry?page=0,1

Thats a review when Fermi first hit. Its only a bit slower single than a HD5970.

Not saying anything bad about ATI, just that they don't seem to work as closley with the game devs as they used to. I think that Dirt 2s website only had an ATI logo due to DX11, and not because they optimized it for ATI hardware.

Of course AMD would never have said anything like :-

DiRT® 2 Offers Exhilarating DirectX® 11 Gaming Experience - Only On ATI Radeon Graphics Cards

or

"AMD has worked tirelessly with Codemasters to collectively transform realism in PC gaming through new DirectX 11 technologies only available today on the latest ATI Radeon graphics cards," said Matt Skynner, vice president & general manager, GPU Division at AMD.

would they?

 

[jimmysmitty]

^Of course at the time of Dirt 2s release, ATI was the only one that had DX11 capable GPUs.

I still doubt it. Until I see the game devs actually claiming they work with ATI, like VALVe did with Source, AMD can say all they want.

 

[Mousemonkey]

They made a big noise about it last year in a press release so were they being dishonest? Should I no longer believe any of these press releases? Because if that's the case then the one posted about Nvidia pumping 2 mill into Crysis 2 should also not be believed.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

For years, ATI had the only DX10.1 cards out as well, and a few DX10.1 games were mysteriously pulled from that ability.
Again, lets see a three way race with gfx, and push towards a better overall platform, and less exclusionary actions