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[Solved] Upgrade Advice

Forum Systems : Homebuilt [Solved] Upgrade Advice

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I'm looking for some advice on upgrading my Alienware Area 51 Desktop. I don't know a ton about computers and am a little intimidated about going through with this process, not to mention I'm not really sure on all the bells and whistles available on different upgrades.

The point of these upgrades is really for gaming (specifically Final Fantasy IV, once it comes out at the end of September). My current PC has served me well (a 7 year old A-51), but it just isn't going to hack it for much longer.

I have done a lot of online research and looked at a ton of reviews, but thought some more advice would be good. I would like to keep my budget around $500 (give or take) if possible, so we aren't talking top of the line parts here.

I have a nice ACER monitor, Creative Soundblaster Audio, Mouse, Keyboard, and figured I would simply use my A-51 Case (I hope it's compatible) as well as my power supply, and an extra video card fan I bought a year ago in the new rig. I have searched Newegg exhaustively and have come to the conclusion that this looks like the best I can do as far as coming up with upgrades goes. Are these compatible? Are there better options for what I'm trying to do at a better price line? Am I WAY in over my head?


CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I5750 ($194.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115215

MB: ASUS Maximus III GENE LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard ($149.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131599

GPU: SAPPHIRE 100297L Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ ATI Eyefinity ($199.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102878

RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 ($99.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145260


I obviously went a bit over my budget, however a couple of the items combo at the moment to drop the price a little bit more, as well as some mail-in rebates. HELP!?

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I dont think a new mb cpu ram and video card is called a upgrade... You are building a new system. but after 7 years it's time. Good Luck

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Heh. Well, good point. It is a new system, but in an old package I guess. I can post my current PC's stats if it would matter as well.

Reply to utktrumpet22

lets have a look see @ your innards and the specs :)

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Are you sure? You might not like what you see. Here ya go:

Intel Pentium 4 540 @ 3.20 GHz
Intel 925XE-ICH6R PCI-e x16
Micron Tech DDR2 Dual Channel RAM 2x 512 MB
Radeon X850 XT 256 MB GPU

Ugh.

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Also, let me stress that this is the very tip top of my price point (if not over, my wife may very well kill me). If I can get slightly less potent parts without sacrificing much quality while dropping the price significantly I would seriously consider it.

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Here are the currently announced system requirements for FFXIV as well. I would prefer that whatever I build would handle these requirements with relative ease.

Windows XP/Vista/7
Intel Core 2 Duo 2GHz or AMD Athlon X2 2GHz
2GB of RAM
15GB HDD space
NVIDIA GeForce 9600 512MB or ATI Radeon HD 2900 512MB
DirectX 9

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I actually think this is an interesting overhaul...and how'd you run this rig for sooo long?

 

Firstly - your getting the same specs as i am for my lil bro, except i'm going for the Formula and a pair of OCZ's XMP modules.

 

Your specs cost nearly $650 - thas close enuf for your wife to strangle you :P

 

heres the brighter side - ditch the 5830 and pick up a 5770...you'll be better off with that card than get a 5830 (price point wise) but not sacrifice that much quality.

 

choice 1 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

 

choice 2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

 

*but a part of me wants to keep the 5830 :P,
ques - how come your choosing a ROG board? You can get a cheaper board like this - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131604 but you sacrifice the lanes in your PCI slots when you crossfire

 

as for your game req's - you can get a 4 series card from ati and pull it off. I managed to snag a good deal on a 4850 @ my microcenter :D

 

sorry for the wall of text :P

 

can you post a pic of your case innards? I;m finding it hard to find your OLD :P rig on the net


Message edited by Lutfij on 07-16-2010 at 10:45:34 PM
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I forgot to mention !!!!! WELCOME TO THE FORUMS , NEWCOMER!!!!!!

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Yes, I would be strangled I suppose. You know how it is. Kid in the candy shop effect. Anyway.

It's really funny, I originally had the 5770 board you picked out originally(the second one...btw, what is the difference between the 2? I know one is 2.0 and one is 2.1...but is that a big deal?)

As far as the ROG board is concerned...well, I don't know what that is actually. The board I picked got good ratings and I thought it was compatible, but if that's useless to me, then I don't want it. The PCI slots I'm not too worried about. I don't intend to add much down the road, expect maybe just to crossfire if it's a good idea.

I'll work on the pic of my innards. My wife has the cam with her atm at her work. However, here is a link with a guy who's case looks very similar to mine. His is one year newer, but they may be near identical.

http://www.originniche.com/forums/ [...] php?t=4467

And thanks for the welcome!

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Just stumbled across this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

The price is awesome...but why is it so much cheaper than the 2 you suggested and is it a huge leap down in quality? I don't want to simply get by on the system reqs for the game if I can stand it. I hope this is something that is easily upgradeable and lasts me for a while.

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the vaporX version is clocked higher than the reference/original card and in this case has a slight edge over the 5770 in option 2.

PCI-E 2.0 and 2.1 are the same in essence but differ as the latter is the headway for PCI-E 3.0. PCI-E 2.1 are backwards compatible with PCI-E 2.0 slots. Read this.

ROG stand for Republic of Gamers :D i own one and they are the cream of the crop as far as hardware are concerned! Bragging rights, if you will. That board (and all their boards in that matter) will look awesome in a clear window case. In your case, you cant be a hardcore gaming dad :D or can you?

I own an Asus Rampage Extreme x48, its old but i loved everything in it! For your board, you can check the specs out here

Your welcome for the welcome!

AH!!!Your case is ATX. You can get a ATX board instead of a mATX board.

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utktrumpet22 wrote :

Just stumbled across this:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

 

The price is awesome...but why is it so much cheaper than the 2 you suggested and is it a huge leap down in quality? I don't want to simply get by on the system reqs for the game if I can stand it. I hope this is something that is easily upgradeable and lasts me for a while.

 

THAT,my friend, is the exact same card as my bro's but his is by XFX HD-485X-YDFC. Its cheaper cos Ati have announced that the 4 series are out of production. And to put in perspective, a 5830 is a die shrunk 4850 512MB w/ 512MB of more ram :D. Get my drift ?

 

2 thumbs up for the find! I missed out on buying the same card for my bro and ended up with the xfx :(

 

unless you PLAY every title that comes out, your 4850 will last you a while :) on lower settings ofcourse (for future games)


Message edited by Lutfij on 07-16-2010 at 11:35:19 PM
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You know, i overlooked one important factor! What is your Acer's monitor size? and what wattage,Power supply you have right now ?


Message edited by Lutfij on 07-16-2010 at 11:37:56 PM
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I really don't play every title that comes out, but I am a huge Final Fantasy fanboy. This game will (as FFXI has been) be my spare time...and some of my not spare time. My wife and I will play it together virtually every night that we can. I would call myself a hardcore gamer, but I really play more PS3 than PC games. However, I want to get FFXIV for the PC, plus it needed an update anyway, so I figured 'what the hey.'

If i get a PCI-e 2.0 card I'm just blocking myself from 3.0 later down the road then? Other than that we aren't talking huge differences in performance?

If it were you in my position, what would you go for taking into consideration everything we have discussed thus far?

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My monitor is 21" if I recall correctly...as far as PSU wattage....uh...um...idk.

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:) i'd go for all the above and the 4850 you found. Get the Gene and you find yourself a $100 lighter than before.

Everyone of my pals own a console - Wii - PS3 - Xbox360(i have the controller on my bro's PC :D) so PC's are um...idk, kinda looking ominous...cos you get the whole deal with a console. Moral of this - your new parts will last you quite a while.

The 4850 can handle a 21"LCD with med/high AA settings :)

now PSU is a crucial factor...you'll need at least um...here you do the math :D

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If i get a PCI-e 2.0 card I'm just blocking myself from 3.0 later down the road then? Other than that we aren't talking huge differences in performance?

 


a few years down the road you wont be interested in them, as you'll probably own a console...maybe. but the parts should last you a few more years *lol* you made an alienware desktop last for 7 years :P


Message edited by Lutfij on 07-16-2010 at 11:57:18 PM
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oh wait, the other mobo is also a good route :P i lost track :S

 

now your budget is $510...you can get a good quality PSU with the extra cash


Message edited by Lutfij on 07-17-2010 at 12:04:35 AM
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Oh, and, (heheh) crossfiring the 4850 down the road...a good idea? Would be comparable to...? 5770? Better perhaps? You like-a da sauce?

Reply to utktrumpet22

lol...yeah crossfiring the 5770 is a good route but i doubt yo'll find any ati 4 series card to crossfire after you've purchased the 1 above.

final list

CPU - http://www.dpbolvw.net/click-34639 [...] 6819115215

Mobo - http://www.dpbolvw.net/click-34639 [...] 6813131604

Ram - http://www.dpbolvw.net/click-34639 [...] 6820145260

Grafix Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product or this, http://www.dpbolvw.net/click-34639 [...] -_-Product

all you ned is a PSU calculation

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crossfiring 2 x 4850 are like a 487o... for now you need to understand if you can squeeze the cash for the 5770 and a PSU as well as i'm sure the old PSU cant handle the wattage needed.

A 600-650W PSU will be good for you(in case you want to crossfire)

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaas - i like-a da meat-a ball-a too!

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So i have to decide between the video cards effectively...hmm...IDK!!!

Apparently VRAM is going to be a must for this game. Is there a difference in the two? I can't find one.

PSU calculations with this setup in my current case would is appx. 350 apparently. I wonder if my PSU would work? Guess I'm gonna have to crack the case...

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Read this

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And to put in perspective, a 5830 is a die shrunk 4850 512MB w/ 512MB of more ram :D. Get my drift ?

 

& the 4850 is a direct x10.1 card while the 5770 is direct x11

 

with your budget in mind, this is as far as you can mash up. get the 5770 for future proofing :P if your wallet holds..


Message edited by Lutfij on 07-17-2010 at 12:21:22 AM
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I think again that is the wrong link. Hehehe.

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lol, idk whats wrong... find this Item#:N82E16817341017

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So all of these items are compatible and will work efficiently with one another I assume?

You have been a huge help, by the way. Thank you.

Reply to utktrumpet22

Problem is with that PSU and the 5770 we are back to $650 LOL.

Reply to utktrumpet22

hmmm yeah, you need to understand if you want to crossfire or not. If your going to CF in the near fututre its best to stick with whats new. If you get a 5770 now, prices will fall once the 6 series come out. then you can buy it off cheap and crossfire them :)

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And thank You for the vote! SO we're all set?

Reply to Lutfij

I'd certainly be interested in it, but it won't be an option for a while.

Reply to utktrumpet22

I believe we are. Again, thank you so much. You were a huge help!

Reply to utktrumpet22

so your sticking with the 4850?

Reply to Lutfij

For future reference with this setup...splurge on more RAM, or a second 5770 for the crossfire first?

Reply to utktrumpet22

I'm gonna leave it to my wife. If she is in a good mood I'll end up with the 5770...if not it will be the 4850, and if she is pissed, we just wasted a lot of time and effort and I apologize to you, kind sir.

Reply to utktrumpet22

4GB is MORE than enough for gaming/crossfiring let alone everyday use. Get the second 5770!

Reply to Lutfij

Post back here & lemme know how your build goes, cheers!

Quote :

You have been a huge help, by the way. Thank you.



We're here to help!


Message edited by Lutfij on 07-17-2010 at 01:08:26 AM
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utktrumpet22 wrote :

I'm gonna leave it to my wife. If she is in a good mood I'll end up with the 5770...if not it will be the 4850, and if she is pissed, we just wasted a lot of time and effort and I apologize to you, kind sir.




c'est la vie!

Reply to Lutfij

I'll get back to you, but it will prolly be a few days at least before I make the buy. I'm trying not to be impulsive so I am going to let it roll around in the noggin for a few days first.

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