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June 8, 2010 1:42:07 PM

I have 240$ and want to buy a graphics card.
I am looking for nvidia GTX 260 but i think it is overpriced.
So, any one help me what should i buy...
I have Q8200, 3GB, DG43NB. Also tell me the PSU needed...
Answer quick because i have only 10 hours to decide.

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a b U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 1:52:35 PM

For 240, assuming your PSU is probably gonna need replacement, and also assuming you are in the USA:

430w Antec Earthwatts $50 free shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX ATI 5770 160 + $8 shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

260 is old tech. You currently pay higher prices for old Nvidia tech (DX10) than competitive DX11 cards from ATI. If this was my $240, this is how I would spend it, and have a few bucks left over for a case of beer and some cheetos.
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June 8, 2010 1:55:04 PM

JofaMang said:
For 240, assuming your PSU is probably gonna need replacement, and also assuming you are in the USA:

430w Antec Earthwatts $50 free shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX ATI 5770 160 + $8 shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

260 is old tech. You currently pay higher prices for old Nvidia tech (DX10) than competitive DX11 cards from ATI. If this was my $240, this is how I would spend it, and have a few bucks left over for a case of beer and some cheetos.


+1 to everything but the cheetos. Might I suggest Doritos instead, especially of the Spicy Nacho variety.
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June 8, 2010 2:03:36 PM

i currently have 400watt PSU

and think 5770 is not the way i want, i want to play games at 1080p.

can you tell me the card better then that?
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a b U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 2:12:04 PM

Well I thik HD5830 is best suited for you.It comes for around $230 and also performs much better than 5770.For psu I would suggest you to check the 12v rail current ratings.Go for the one having around 32A@12v.A crossair VX450 should be sufficient to handle your system.
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a b U Graphics card
June 8, 2010 2:52:18 PM

5770 performs well at 1080p. List your PSU brand, model, and amps on the +12v lines as listed on the side of the unit. I wouldn't trust a cheap unbranded 400w PSU to run a 5770, to be honest, nevermind a 5830, which pulls more power than a 5850 due to being a cutaway 5870.

If your PSU is a good trusted brand, I would still be wary about running a 5830 off of it. A quality 450w unit is the least I could recommend with a good conscience.
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June 9, 2010 1:09:19 AM

haseebbutt10 said:
I have 240$ and want to buy a graphics card.
I am looking for nvidia GTX 260 but i think it is overpriced.
So, any one help me what should i buy...
I have Q8200, 3GB, DG43NB. Also tell me the PSU needed...
Answer quick because i have only 10 hours to decide.


Could I piggy-back (add-to) this thread a little too? I noticed your board is the DG43NB. I had a look & I think(?) it is an Intel with a single slot PCI x16 (vers 1.0). Aren't these cards (5770, & even GTX 260) under discussion designed to work best with the new 2.0 PCI? I know the card will still work, but will haseebbutt10 get the benefit of the extra $ with the reduced speed on a version 1 PCI?

The reason I raise it is because I have similar system specs and a similar issue. I'm using a Gigabyte EP31-DS3L Mobo, Q8200 2.33GHz, 4Gb RAM, & 550w power supply. Again version 1.0 PCI slot. I was also tossing up the HD5770 versus GTX260. I've left a thread of my own but not much response. Could someone with some more technical know-how fill me in on how these cards will perform or if they'd be 'bottleknecked' in a Mobo carrying only the slower 1.0 PCI??

Thanks
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June 9, 2010 1:44:54 AM

All Discussion says that I should buy 5770...
Is there any competing card of nvidia??
and whats the PSU upgrade required??
I am buying it today
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June 9, 2010 5:12:49 AM

I am buying 5770.
Is there any competing card of Nvidia??
What PSU required?
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a b U Graphics card
June 9, 2010 5:37:18 AM

haseebbutt10 said:
I am buying 5770.
Is there any competing card of Nvidia??
What PSU required?


currently there is no real competing car from nvidia in that price range, nvidia's lowest end gpu on the new fermi architecture which is dx 11, is the 465 which is terrible and starts at 280ish

5770 is really in a sweet spot that's hard to deny by anyone. if your asking why you most likely need a new PSU, if anything the 12v rail will probably be somewhat weak on a low watt psu like that reserving most of it's 400 whats for the 3 and 5 volts for the cpu ram, mobo ect.

if your asking which psu is required, the earthwatt 430watt has already been suggested by jofaMang
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June 10, 2010 3:33:33 PM

DG43NB has PCIE 2.0 version!!! not 1.0...
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2010 5:53:08 PM

haseebbutt10 said:
DG43NB has PCIE 2.0 version!!! not 1.0...

Thats good news, even though I don't believe 1.0 would have crippled you. Now go get some new hardware!
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2010 5:56:11 PM

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PCIe v1.0 reduces performance of cards of the 5770 level by 10%, which isnt bad compared to a new Mobo.

Source please. I would be greatly interested in having a link to that information in my bookmarks.

From my understanding, PCI-E x16 2.0 is twice the bandwidth as 1.0.

Is not a PCI-E x16 2.0 twice the bandwidth of PCI-E x16 2.0 running 8 lanes (x8)?

THUS, the difference between PCI-E x16 2.0 and 1.0 should be exactly the same as the difference between x16 and x8. Many tests have shown that only the very strongest cards (5870 and up) show a performance penalty from running on x8 when compared to x16.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, please. Otherwise I have to assume Timop pulled that 10% figure out of his rectum. I would be nothing but thankful to be proven wrong on this assumption.
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a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2010 7:02:05 PM

Well, this might help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

The main difference appears to be transfer rates, from 2.5GT/s to 5.0GT/s from 1.0 to 2.0. 1.1 utilizes the features of 2.0, with the gigatransfer per second rate of 1.0. If 1.0 to 2.0 = double transfer rates, and x8 to x16 = double PCI lanes available for transfer, and if PCI lanes scale perfectly the available transfer rates, then the the difference between X16 1.0 to 2.0 is the same as 2.0 x16 to 2.0 x8. Using this logic, we can directly compare the orginal question (limitation of PCI-e 1.0) to available date on video cards that run in x8 2.0 slots, which is known to be almost insignificant on cards below 5870 levels of power.

Thats what I meant, i think. o.0
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