System Builder Marathon, March 2011: $500 Gaming PC
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pauldh
March 25, 2011 4:00:04 AM
The last two System Builder Marathon configurations centered on Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture. But AMD still seems to rule the budget-oriented segment. This quarter, Paul buys an upgraded CPU and a Radeon-based graphics card for more performance.
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tacoslave
March 25, 2011 4:18:19 AM
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March 25, 2011 4:20:28 AM
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LuckyDucky7
March 25, 2011 4:51:56 AM
"I’ll certainly entertain the possibility of Intel’s newly-available Core i3-2100 for the next SBM."
Have fun overclocking that rig!
I'd choose my O/C'd i3-530 @ 3.75 GHz (stock, air-cooled) over any of the new Sandy Bridge offerings any day.
The 2100 just cannot compete with that- it's marginally better than a first-gen i3, and it cannot be pushed harder.
*Hopes Bulldozer will be ready by that time*
Have fun overclocking that rig!
I'd choose my O/C'd i3-530 @ 3.75 GHz (stock, air-cooled) over any of the new Sandy Bridge offerings any day.
The 2100 just cannot compete with that- it's marginally better than a first-gen i3, and it cannot be pushed harder.
*Hopes Bulldozer will be ready by that time*
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Judguh
March 25, 2011 4:59:19 AM
hmp_goose
March 25, 2011 4:59:28 AM
haplo602
March 25, 2011 5:06:26 AM
Pretty good build for the $. I would've gone with the Athlon x4 or x3 to keep things under budget, but that is just me. There are plenty of GPU options in the ~$170 price range. I think you might've got one of "those" GPU's that you read about. This is why "expecting" OC'ing abilities with whatever part you buy, shouldn't be taken for granted. Buy what you can afford and if you get a good OC on your parts, feel blessed
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one-shot
March 25, 2011 6:15:53 AM
Would someone please explain the point of comparing the old SBM to the new one if there isn't a list of the parts from the SBM done in the past? These have always been annoying when the reader is forced to look back to December for a detailed list of parts. This has been practiced for years here. It makes no sense comparing to something the reader has no idea as to the parts being used in the past. Seriously....
Edit: Why Did I get a Minus one the second after my post was submitted?
Edit: Why Did I get a Minus one the second after my post was submitted?
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Marcus52
March 25, 2011 6:34:25 AM
Very nice build for the price. However, I simply can't help but think for another hundred or so dollars a Sandy Bridge build would be worth saving up another couple of months for by the person who had a very tight budget. It's what I'd recommend to a friend, unless he/she had an immediate need that couldn't wait.
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one-shotWould someone please explain the point of comparing the old SBM to the new one if there isn't a list of the parts from the SBM done in the past? These have always been annoying when the reader is forced to look back to December for a detailed list of parts. This has been practiced for years here. It makes no sense comparing to something the reader has no idea as to the parts being used in the past. Seriously....Edit: Why Did I get a Minus one the second after my post was submitted?
There is a list, but it requires reading the story through page eight, at least =)
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mraltoid19
March 25, 2011 6:53:11 AM
Nice system! I don't know if a SB cpu will be much better. Bear in mind that the SB would have to be the i3 due to price. And as a Dual-Core with no ability to overclock what-so-ever, it may have a heck of a time going up against a true quad-core. On this config, I would have dropped down from the X4 925 to the X4 640. Then used the saved $25 towards a 6870 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Descript...) Cheapest at Newegg is $190 (not to mention a $20 rebate, that brings it down to $170).
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SpadeM
March 25, 2011 7:09:09 AM
Actually there is a new review .. sort of ... for the 2100 in which it shows some pretty interesting numbers, and it's available here:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=inte...
Numbers aside, looking forward to the next SBM.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=inte...
Numbers aside, looking forward to the next SBM.
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Marcus52
March 25, 2011 7:09:09 AM
one-shotWould someone please explain the point of comparing the old SBM to the new one if there isn't a list of the parts from the SBM done in the past? These have always been annoying when the reader is forced to look back to December for a detailed list of parts. This has been practiced for years here. It makes no sense comparing to something the reader has no idea as to the parts being used in the past. Seriously....Edit: Why Did I get a Minus one the second after my post was submitted?
I hope Tomshardware editors never stoop to writing reviews geared to people that won't make the effort to look up past articles.
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dco
March 25, 2011 7:41:59 AM
one-shot
March 25, 2011 7:42:44 AM
one-shot
March 25, 2011 7:46:30 AM
Marcus52
March 25, 2011 7:52:57 AM
mraltoid19Nice system! I don't know if a SB cpu will be much better. Bear in mind that the SB would have to be the i3 due to price. And as a Dual-Core with no ability to overclock what-so-ever, it may have a heck of a time going up against a true quad-core. On this config, I would have dropped down from the X4 925 to the X4 640. Then used the saved $25 towards a 6870 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] la-search) Cheapest at Newegg is $190 (not to mention a $20 rebate, that brings it down to $170).
I was thinking it would be more in my first post, but a quad-core SB can be had for $60 more, a mainboard can be had for $5 more, so now that I've actually looked it up, you can get into an i5 Sandy Bridge with a decent Asrock mainboard for a total of another $65. Overclocking on the stock cooler? My guess is results would be similar.
That would be a 13% increase in price, and I'd be willing to bet the overall performance difference would be more than that.
The better you know your software needs, the better you can tailor your system. I think a lot of gamers would shift as you would for the better graphics card, but that would actually hurt some games that need the stronger CPU. World of Warcraft is an example - while Cataclysm brought changes that make the video card much more important, the CPU is still a major player and when player populations get high the most critical element. It's something I think FPS multiplayer gamers might think about as well.
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one-shotI have lots of respect for the editors at Toms, don't get me wrong. I'm sure many other readers would also prefer a list of the previous SMB, as well. Searching through an article for components to compare the two is very inconvenient.Please take this into consideration on the next SBM.-Thanks!
Thanks one-shot, but I'm not sure how else I can help you here. The complete list of comparison hardware is right there on the page called Test System Configuration And Benchmarks. You have this quarter's hardware and last quarter's hardware in successive tables. I'm not sure how much more convenient we can make it. If you have any suggestions, please suggest away!
Best,
Chris
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Marcus52
March 25, 2011 8:30:51 AM
one-shotThe reader shouldn't be forced to search the entire article for components. Would mixing the components of the current SBM make sense? No, of course not. It's usually listed on the first or second page. It would be Much easier to accompany that list with the previous SBM that's it's being compared to.To reiterate, the reader should not be inconvenienced when the editors don't even take the time to put up the previous SMB, or perhaps the editors aren't aware of this issue.
In the Western civilization that most of us who read Tomshardware live in, we have been conditioned to think it is reasonable to expect everything be at our fingertips right now. This isn't a "kids these days" problem; it's a conditioning brought on by a lot of factors which I won't try to discuss here, it effects everyone, including me. Even my Dad, who was on the phone the other day waiting for customer assistance at 9 at night on a Sunday for 5 minutes and griping about how long it was taking. 5 minutes. Seriously? He's 77, he knows better, but he's been bitten as hard as everyone else by the "instant gratification" bug.
The fact is, the information is all on this site and can all be attained by anyone in a matter of minutes. It is far from unreasonable to expect a reader to simply look some things up for themselves. In fact, if you haven't read the past articles I really recommend you actually go back and read them, because you will learn more by doing so than by skimming through them or just looking at the hardware.
I get it; I really do. I skim the articles on occasion, too. However, I have never regretted spending the time it takes to read one, and I've never regretted going back and looking up more about what was being discussed. It's time well worth spending.
I come to Tomshardware because I'm looking to learn something. If you come for the same reason, I suggest you will serve yourself better by slowing down a bit and taking a deeper look. I'll tell you the truth, most people that regularly skim sites like Tomshardware are so full of misconceptions that they have wasted their time - you will be a much better informed person if you take the time to do as I suggest. Set aside your preconceived notions as best you can and pay attention to the information presented without being in a hurry.
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haplo602
March 25, 2011 9:01:41 AM
carlhenry
March 25, 2011 9:04:18 AM
one-shot
March 25, 2011 9:05:53 AM
one-shot
March 25, 2011 9:08:48 AM
Marcus52 said:
In the Western civilization that most of us who read Tomshardware live in, we have been conditioned to think it is reasonable to expect everything be at our fingertips right now. This isn't a "kids these days" problem; it's a conditioning brought on by a lot of factors which I won't try to discuss here, it effects everyone, including me. Even my Dad, who was on the phone the other day waiting for customer assistance at 9 at night on a Sunday for 5 minutes and griping about how long it was taking. 5 minutes. Seriously? He's 77, he knows better, but he's been bitten as hard as everyone else by the "instant gratification" bug.The fact is, the information is all on this site and can all be attained by anyone in a matter of minutes. It is far from unreasonable to expect a reader to simply look some things up for themselves. In fact, if you haven't read the past articles I really recommend you actually go back and read them, because you will learn more by doing so than by skimming through them or just looking at the hardware.
I get it; I really do. I skim the articles on occasion, too. However, I have never regretted spending the time it takes to read one, and I've never regretted going back and looking up more about what was being discussed. It's time well worth spending.
I come to Tomshardware because I'm looking to learn something. If you come for the same reason, I suggest you will serve yourself better by slowing down a bit and taking a deeper look. I'll tell you the truth, most people that regularly skim sites like Tomshardware are so full of misconceptions that they have wasted their time - you will be a much better informed person if you take the time to do as I suggest. Set aside your preconceived notions as best you can and pay attention to the information presented without being in a hurry.
You need to take a breather!
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Dyers Eve
March 25, 2011 9:52:36 AM
Good build. Compared to the Tom's build I do see Phenom II x4 965 for +$15 and GTX 460 for -$20 (-$40 if rebates count) but prices change all the time so it's really nitpicking.
The unanswered question that everyone is dying to know is how does your system compare to a i3 - 2100 SB? The i3 has the same price as the CPU in the article but the motherboards are at least $40 more expensive and no OC possible.
After reading your "Who's Got Game? Twelve Sub-$200 CPUs Compared" and thinking that your OC CPU is close to a Phenom x4 970 I would say you are very, very close to i3 - 2100 SB performance.
Apart from a few CPU intensive games like Starcraft 2 I think you might have a real winner here that is most cost effective than Core SB systems. I was thinking of building a Core i3 system but I can grab a x4 965 BE + mobo for $160 and after reading this article it really seems like that is the way to go for a budget build.
The unanswered question that everyone is dying to know is how does your system compare to a i3 - 2100 SB? The i3 has the same price as the CPU in the article but the motherboards are at least $40 more expensive and no OC possible.
After reading your "Who's Got Game? Twelve Sub-$200 CPUs Compared" and thinking that your OC CPU is close to a Phenom x4 970 I would say you are very, very close to i3 - 2100 SB performance.
Apart from a few CPU intensive games like Starcraft 2 I think you might have a real winner here that is most cost effective than Core SB systems. I was thinking of building a Core i3 system but I can grab a x4 965 BE + mobo for $160 and after reading this article it really seems like that is the way to go for a budget build.
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pinkeyes
March 25, 2011 9:59:09 AM
JohnMD1022
March 25, 2011 11:02:14 AM
I really enjoy the lowest-dollar SBM articles, and this one is no exception. Just because I wouldn't have done it quite like this, I probably learned something :-).
The case looks like a winner, with even a little cable management that cheap, top-mount PSU cases usually don't have. Living in Tennessee, I can tell you that the orange would go over very well around here (it's the color for the local college sports teams).
It reinforces something I (and others) have said before: if you need four cores, buy four cores. That's a good reminder, because otherwise with a similar CPU budget I might have risked a Phenom II X2 560, hoping for an unlock.
The only two items I will moan about a little are the hard drive (500GB 7200.12 has been $40 for a while now, and the F4 you used was disappointing last time) and the GPU. For $165 (after MIR) you can get a HD5850, and I think that price has been around for at least a couple of weeks.
Still, someone building this box could throw in an aftermarket CPU cooler and get even better results.
I've used the 770DE board myself a couple times, but I've noticed (and recently bought) ASRock's 880G board for the same price. Would it perform notably differently?
Most of all, at the risk of sounding like an AMD fanboy (which I'm not; I'm a value fanboy), this machine's performance proves yet again that it isn't necessary to have the latest and greatest or spend a couple month's salary to get enjoyment from current games.
The case looks like a winner, with even a little cable management that cheap, top-mount PSU cases usually don't have. Living in Tennessee, I can tell you that the orange would go over very well around here (it's the color for the local college sports teams).
It reinforces something I (and others) have said before: if you need four cores, buy four cores. That's a good reminder, because otherwise with a similar CPU budget I might have risked a Phenom II X2 560, hoping for an unlock.
The only two items I will moan about a little are the hard drive (500GB 7200.12 has been $40 for a while now, and the F4 you used was disappointing last time) and the GPU. For $165 (after MIR) you can get a HD5850, and I think that price has been around for at least a couple of weeks.
Still, someone building this box could throw in an aftermarket CPU cooler and get even better results.
I've used the 770DE board myself a couple times, but I've noticed (and recently bought) ASRock's 880G board for the same price. Would it perform notably differently?
Most of all, at the risk of sounding like an AMD fanboy (which I'm not; I'm a value fanboy), this machine's performance proves yet again that it isn't necessary to have the latest and greatest or spend a couple month's salary to get enjoyment from current games.
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random_guesser
March 25, 2011 11:35:50 AM
There's instant gratification and simple time-efficieny.
On a personal note, with a new son I've not been keeping up with latest technology and am quickly trying to figure out what's the optimum, cheap cpu/mboard combo (basically i3/h55/7 or Athlon X2 "e" and 880G once factoring in the power/money burn running 24x7, can't decide the best for longevity vs initial cost!)
I've had to spend quite a number of hours reading through various multi-page articles from various sources, often juggling a smartphone and a buggy on the go, to get myself back up to speed with all the latest choices so I can decide what to build. I think I've just about got everything I need now, but I've had to cross reference a number of articles to get all the info I need, particularly as few articles about power vs cost vs performance factor in energy cost and TCO.
Anyway, I'm starting to ramble so I'll shut up!
PS. One thing I've not researched yet, anyone know what the best HDDs are for low power / spinning down when not being accessed and whether they do it themselves or require Linux / mobo tweaks? Or it doesn't matter and they all do it these days.....
I've spent a good
On a personal note, with a new son I've not been keeping up with latest technology and am quickly trying to figure out what's the optimum, cheap cpu/mboard combo (basically i3/h55/7 or Athlon X2 "e" and 880G once factoring in the power/money burn running 24x7, can't decide the best for longevity vs initial cost!)
I've had to spend quite a number of hours reading through various multi-page articles from various sources, often juggling a smartphone and a buggy on the go, to get myself back up to speed with all the latest choices so I can decide what to build. I think I've just about got everything I need now, but I've had to cross reference a number of articles to get all the info I need, particularly as few articles about power vs cost vs performance factor in energy cost and TCO.
Anyway, I'm starting to ramble so I'll shut up!
PS. One thing I've not researched yet, anyone know what the best HDDs are for low power / spinning down when not being accessed and whether they do it themselves or require Linux / mobo tweaks? Or it doesn't matter and they all do it these days.....
I've spent a good
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Darkerson
March 25, 2011 12:28:32 PM
rasmusdf
March 25, 2011 12:46:44 PM
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I was thinking it would be more in my first post, but a quad-core SB can be had for $60 more, a mainboard can be had for $5 more, so now that I've actually looked it up, you can get into an i5 Sandy Bridge with a decent Asrock mainboard for a total of another $65. Overclocking on the stock cooler? My guess is results would be similar.
That would be a 13% increase in price, and I'd be willing to bet the overall performance difference would be more than that.
The better you know your software needs, the better you can tailor your system. I think a lot of gamers would shift as you would for the better graphics card, but that would actually hurt some games that need the stronger CPU. World of Warcraft is an example - while Cataclysm brought changes that make the video card much more important, the CPU is still a major player and when player populations get high the most critical element. It's something I think FPS multiplayer gamers might think about as well.
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Upgrade to SB Quad-Core + motherboard for $65 more? Could you add some links to back that up...
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I was thinking it would be more in my first post, but a quad-core SB can be had for $60 more, a mainboard can be had for $5 more, so now that I've actually looked it up, you can get into an i5 Sandy Bridge with a decent Asrock mainboard for a total of another $65. Overclocking on the stock cooler? My guess is results would be similar.
That would be a 13% increase in price, and I'd be willing to bet the overall performance difference would be more than that.
The better you know your software needs, the better you can tailor your system. I think a lot of gamers would shift as you would for the better graphics card, but that would actually hurt some games that need the stronger CPU. World of Warcraft is an example - while Cataclysm brought changes that make the video card much more important, the CPU is still a major player and when player populations get high the most critical element. It's something I think FPS multiplayer gamers might think about as well.
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Upgrade to SB Quad-Core + motherboard for $65 more? Could you add some links to back that up...
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Gaming
March 25, 2011 1:19:22 PM
jfby
March 25, 2011 1:21:52 PM
icemunk
March 25, 2011 2:06:27 PM
icemunk said:
The $40 for only a 350w earthwatts is a bit meek, especially if you ever want to put another harddrive or burner in, or do minor upgrades. I would have leaned more towards a 500-600w powersupply, which can be had for around the same price these days.Sorry, but wrong. The 380W Earthwatts is underrated; it's actually good for a little more than that. It is solid, stable, efficient, and quiet. A 500W PSU in the $40 range is probably a chokemax brand like Logisys, Diablotek, or Apevia, barely good for half of its label before blowing electronic chunks and likely taking other parts with it. If you want more information on PSUs, HardwareSecrets probably has the best tutorial articles and their reviews include dissections. Jonnyguru and HardOCP also do competent technical reviews, and are worth reading.
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themarin8r
March 25, 2011 2:24:55 PM
jtt283Sorry, but wrong. The 380W Earthwatts is underrated; it's actually good for a little more than that. It is solid, stable, efficient, and quiet. A 500W PSU in the $40 range is probably a chokemax brand like Logisys, Diablotek, or Apevia, barely good for half of its label before blowing electronic chunks and likely taking other parts with it. If you want more information on PSUs, HardwareSecrets probably has the best tutorial articles and their reviews include dissections. Jonnyguru and HardOCP also do competent technical reviews, and are worth reading.
Totally Agree. Not only that, but there was still plenty of wattage left to add a HDD or dvd burner as they do not take up that much power to be that concerned.
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robwright
March 25, 2011 2:33:35 PM
robwright
March 25, 2011 2:43:06 PM
one-shotWould someone please explain the point of comparing the old SBM to the new one if there isn't a list of the parts from the SBM done in the past? These have always been annoying when the reader is forced to look back to December for a detailed list of parts. This has been practiced for years here. It makes no sense comparing to something the reader has no idea as to the parts being used in the past. Seriously....Edit: Why Did I get a Minus one the second after my post was submitted?
For One-Shot
"That's one shot, kid! One shot!!!"
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zooted
March 25, 2011 2:46:59 PM
Great build. I always love the challenge of the low-budget build in these SBM articles.
I wonder if a higher clocked Athlon X4 would make up the difference of lacking L3 cache. For example the Phenom II X4 840 (which is really an Athlon II X4 650 in disguise, and lacks L3) is $15 cheaper than the 925. It runs at 3.2GHz vs. the 925's 2.8GHz. I'm curious if that extra 400MHz is enough to overcome the lack of 6MB L3. $15 in savings could go towards a nice CM Hyper 212+, leading to a better OC perhaps?
Good job pauldh. Next SBM may be entirely an Intel affair unless BD is out.
I wonder if a higher clocked Athlon X4 would make up the difference of lacking L3 cache. For example the Phenom II X4 840 (which is really an Athlon II X4 650 in disguise, and lacks L3) is $15 cheaper than the 925. It runs at 3.2GHz vs. the 925's 2.8GHz. I'm curious if that extra 400MHz is enough to overcome the lack of 6MB L3. $15 in savings could go towards a nice CM Hyper 212+, leading to a better OC perhaps?
Good job pauldh. Next SBM may be entirely an Intel affair unless BD is out.
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billiardicus
March 25, 2011 3:58:09 PM
Nice build. Thoughts:
1. Wow, $500 buys a lot. This is a very capable gaming machine.
2. I didn't know you could get by with only 380 watts. Nice.
There's not much else to say. This rig is a little bit more powerful than my 3 year old rig (Q6600@3.3ghz, GTX 280). If only the game developers would make something worth upgrading for.
1. Wow, $500 buys a lot. This is a very capable gaming machine.
2. I didn't know you could get by with only 380 watts. Nice.
There's not much else to say. This rig is a little bit more powerful than my 3 year old rig (Q6600@3.3ghz, GTX 280). If only the game developers would make something worth upgrading for.
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compton
March 25, 2011 4:25:18 PM
I used a very similar system to this for a while. I just recently upgraded to Sandy Bridge, and while it's undeniable better, the price of admission is steep compared to a budged AMD rig.
I had a Phenom II 550 BE unlocked to a x3 and a Athlon II X3 unlocked to a quad core. I came to the conclusion that 4 cores without L3 were mostly preferable to a 3 core with L3. I bought in to SB, but I'm pretty curious as to what AMD has up their sleeves. Given the current AMD mobo and CPU prices, I'd have a hard time convincing someone to spend twice as much for undeniably better SB performance. SB motherboards are much more expensive than comparable AMD motherboards, but I can't always pinpoint where the extra money goes.
I had a Phenom II 550 BE unlocked to a x3 and a Athlon II X3 unlocked to a quad core. I came to the conclusion that 4 cores without L3 were mostly preferable to a 3 core with L3. I bought in to SB, but I'm pretty curious as to what AMD has up their sleeves. Given the current AMD mobo and CPU prices, I'd have a hard time convincing someone to spend twice as much for undeniably better SB performance. SB motherboards are much more expensive than comparable AMD motherboards, but I can't always pinpoint where the extra money goes.
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joshyboy82
March 25, 2011 4:51:01 PM
proton9
March 25, 2011 5:50:19 PM
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March 25, 2011 6:02:26 PM
Would a budget system like this be able to run a game like FFXIV? If so at what graphics level do you think it could run it at? I am interested because I am going to play GW2 and SWTOR mmos and would like to get a new computer to play them. I would like to play them on high graphics, would one of these budget rigs run it that way? or do I need to look at the $1000 rigs?
Thank you for the help.
Thank you for the help.
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