New $2000 *Gaming PC* My parts

Mr Pizza

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Well, i couldn't do my build this month.... *sigh* stupid economy :) and these are my parts for my build, ill build as soon as money allows? no I am not lowering my budget, no I am not going with Intel no I am not going with NVIDIA, just to make that clear.



Not my first PC build

Here are my parts, newegg.com, 2000-2200 dollar budget and stuff don't need keyboard, mouse, monitor, running at 1900x1080, 5970 is overkill yeah yeah yeah well I want it to be overkill :)

PARTS SO FAR:
Antec 1200
Asus Crosshair
Ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ten ninety tee!
I love you G.Skill :)
5970, or as i like to call it, the bitch
OVERKILL PSU, ill crossfi, I mean quad-fire* in the future though :)
Caviar black, but its silver :D
CPU cooLAR
Is that it.. oh yeah and windows 7... and 3 red antec fans to replace the front blue ones, and 2 antec-no-led fans for the back two... and ill turn off the top fan's LEDs ( i don't want a ton of LEDs, ill put a few meteor lights in it though :D. Gonna mod the side window and put some acrylic in there all that stuff.. cut some cable holes.. all that. Wanted to go with the XFX 5970 but newegg doesn't have it ATM -_- ill get it if its in stock though SUGGESTIONS?????? (caviar black, 2 of them in raid)
lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala.... -_- D:< BUMP!!!!!!!


 

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I don't know that the 1090T is appropriate for a gaming build. Not because I think 6 cores is overkill, but because it's beaten in gaming benchmarks by the Phenom II x4, the intel core i5. I understand that you don't like intel or NVIDIA for whatever reason, and that's perfectly fine. But I just want you to be aware that your build will be outperformed in games by one that could cost considerably less.

Check out Tom's review of the 1090T:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-890fx,2613-9.html

"Lo and behold, even with the fastest single-GPU card you can buy, the Phenom II X6 doesn’t spring to life. Meanwhile, the overclocked Core i7 leaps forward by quite a bit. This is eerily reminiscent of a gaming piece I wrote back in 2008 comparing high-end AMD and Intel gaming rigs. All else equal, the Phenom X4 I was testing at the time was simply creamed by Core i7 in Crysis."
 

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Also, the Samsung Spinpoint F3 500 GB and 1 TB drives are faster and cheaper than the Western Digital Caviar Blacks even though the WD's have a SATA 6 interface. No mechanical hard drive is even saturating SATA 3 Gb/s bandwidth, so it's not a big factor.

Here is a $2000 build that gets you better gaming performance, an SSD, faster mechanical drive, more RAM.

CASE: Cooler Master HAF 922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197
-$90

Saves you $50 from previous case and is, by my own experience and by professional reviews, a very very good case. Plenty of room, excellent cooling. It's great.

MOBO: ASUS P6X58D-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131641
-$240

HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
-$75

Is faster than the Western Digital because it uses 500 GB platters instead of 333.

CPU: Intel Core i7 930
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

It's going to perform better than any AMD CPU with a single 5970 and with dual 5970s.

Also, since you're considering quad-fire, you of all people need to be looking at an X58 platform as it's capable of delivering x16 bandwidth for two GPUs at the same time. And the i7 930 is more able to deal with the Crossfire processing overhead than the processor you have spec'd which can't even deal with one 5970.

GPU: Sapphire HD 5970
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102887
-$700

PSU: Corsair 950TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139013
-$140 (-$20 rebate)

RAM: G.Skill Pi Series 6 GB, CL7, 1600 MHz DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231247
-$160

SSD: Intel X25-M 80 GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167023
-$220

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754
-$100



TOTAL: $2,014 before rebates and shipping.
 

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Did you read what I said at the top? I will not go with Intel. the 1090t when overclocked is awesome and 6 REAL cores unlike intel... and the 1366 will go bad soon.. i don't want to buy a new motherboard everytime i upgrade :) thanks for you help but.. read a little better? BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I might go with it. MIGHT :)
 

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Yeah, I read your OP. I understand that the 1090T has six physical cores, but if this is a gaming build, you're not making it "overkill" like you want. You're just spending a bunch of money for no reason. If you don't like 1366 because you don't think it will be upgradeable in the future, what's your reason for picking a platform for which 1366 IS ALREADY AN UPGRADE? Does not make sense.
 

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Ok forgot to put in that I want it to have an upgrade path ;P and those graphs and stuff, it makes it look like wow there is a huge difference, 1-2 frames on most games and no i don't play crysis.. But I might go with the intel.. I just don't want to :)
 

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If you want to go AMD, go AMD. But don't get the 1090T for gaming. Get a Phenom II X4 955/965 instead. Then upgrade to Bulldozer next year if you need more processing power.

If you end up going AM3 and getting the Crosshair IV, make sure that you're aware of the northbridge overheating problem. PM me if you want more details.

Agree that the WD1002FAEX is unnecessary and that SATA 6 Gb/s doesn't do anything for 7200 rpm mechanical drives. It has slightly faster random/small read access times (1 ms or so), so it might be a slightly better boot drive than a Spinpoint F3 or 7200.12, but if you go with an SSD for your boot drive, you'll get better value out of the non-WD drives. Not to mention the non-WD drives are faster at streaming data.
 

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Yep I know how to fix that crazy north bridge. Ok i guess ill get the F3 with an SSD.. I do video edit too (primarily for game though) , sorry for that. And ill overclock my 1090t near 3.8-4.0 ill go for custom water on XMAS ( i know the antec 1200 isnt good at that, but don't say oh heres a good case! LINK)
 

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Full build, no combos included, no shipping/tax calculated:

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 955 - $160 + $10 gift card
Mobo - Asus Crosshair IV - $230
RAM - G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 MHz CL 7 - $105
or Mushkin Blackline 1600 MHz CL7 (7-8-7) 1.35V - $112
or original kit you linked with 7-7-7 rather than 7-8-7 timings - $120
GPU - whatever 5970 you want - $700
SSD - OCZ Vertex 2 60 Gb - $175
HDD - Seagate 7200.12 or Samsung Spinpoint F3 - $75
Case - Antec 1200 - $170 (-$30 promo code ending today)
PSU - Corsair TX 950 - $140 (and 9.5 at jonnyguru)

total: $1770 (with the $120 RAM) + cooling solution of your choice.

Leaves you room to upgrade to a different SSD if you want, or you can get the Antec TP instead, or 1600 Mhz CL 6/2000 MHz CL9 RAM. Did you factor in the cost of Win 7?

If you decide to upgrade the SSD, look at:
Intel X25-M 80 GB - $220
Crucial C300 128 GB -$335 (currently sold out)
Corsair Nova 128 GB - $320
OCZ Vertex 2 120 GB - $350

EDIT: Or, of course, you could get the 1090T with that left over cash too, if you insist.
 

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Wow, thanks a lot :D thats perfect! Now lets say i only have 1 5970 and don't upgrade, how much power would my build take? would an 850HX work out good?
 

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An 850 should be more than enough. ATI recommends 650W for one 5970, and 850W for 2. I assumed you were going to do some overclocking as well, though, so 950-1000W seemed like a good idea.

I'd stick with at least 850 in case you do upgrade later or you want to have overhead for overclocking. You could drop down to 750 if you change your mind and decide that you'll never add another 5970.

P.S. If the Antec 1200 is the case you really really really want, I'd order it today, even if you put off everything else for a month. Make sure you're signed up for newegg's promo emails, enter the promo code, and get the entire thing for $140 with free shipping. That kind of deal doesn't come along all that often. $120 if you make the $20 MIR work.

EDIT: ares' post reminds me that I forgot a DVD drive above. I'll assume that you can find a $20 SATA DVD drive on your own. :)
 

ares1214

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*sigh* i like amd and all, im using a 955 now, but for gaming, im sorry, the amd 1090T gets pretty pummeled. it does the same performance as a 955, and costs 2x more. i know you intel, and love amd, but i recommend loving whatever gets you the best performance for the money. If you are DEAD SET on going amd, get the 955. if it were me, in a mind of logic and reason, with a budget like this and needs like you, id be going for and i7 930, and waiting for the gtx 475 to come out. Im no intel fanboy, im not a fan of the company practices, but theres no denying, for gaming and this kind of budget, there isnt much in the way of amd. i would say 1156, but its a bit dead, and doesnt do dual cards well. so your basically down to am3 or 1366. the 1090T is basically a 955 in gaming, i have the 955, i love it, but the 955<i5 750<i7 930. Now, if you MUST go with AMD for whatever reason, heres a build:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.430450

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437534.14-150-460

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.451459

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231321 (x2)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256057

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151216

final price is 1988.90$, so sorry for being under budget. with the cash left over, you can easily fit a 1090T in.

 

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You get more theoretical performance on some games, in that with a 5970, most of your games will be reporting above 60 fps, which is pretty much the maximum fps that the human eye can make out. Gaming is much more dependent on the graphics card than the CPU.

Different games in some of the benchmarks:
Phenom II X4 955 vs. i7-920 - pretty comparable except for Far Cry 2
Phenom II X6 1090T vs. i7-920 - only truly notable difference in the chart is on Dawn of War 2 though the i7-920 is definitely ahead in more benchmarks

Anandtech review of the X6s indicating that it's not that hot for gaming...but on every game except Dawn of War II at the given resolution, they're above 60 fps. (Tests appear to have been performed with a 5870, the relatively flat curves on most of the games further support games being GPU-limited.)

I suspect that you could google a more detailed comparison between different CPUs with the 5970, but I'm afraid I'm not motivated to at the moment. :)
 

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i might order it today.. ill see :)
 

ares1214

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yeah, monitors only move at 60 hertz, 1 hertz=1 fps, so the max noticable is 60 fps. the i7 930 is much stronger for gaming, however with the 5970, you probably wont notice it for a while. only problem is, by the time a 5970 isnt above 60 fps on most games, most games might also be using 6 cores. its an interesting thought.