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OC bios settings changed back to stock without me knowing !?

Forum Motherboards & Memory : Gigabyte OC bios settings changed back to stock without me knowing !?

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Hi guys,

I bought my new rig 3 weeks ago and it was oc'ed for a 1-2 weeks without any problem. 2500k @ 4.5ghz - 1.28v

A few days ago I got a BSOD while I was listening to a music. I tried debugging the dump file and looking if it was a hw problem. Fortunately it was not a hardware failure.
But A day after that I opened CPU-Z and it showed that the cpu speed is back to 3.3ghz ! I was stunned how the system changed that back without me knowing.

When I restarted and checked the BIOS, the message came up : "The system has experienced boot failures because of overclocking or changes in voltage..." wth ?
I looked on the net that day but I didn't find anything useful.

Again Today, When I finished playing Dragon Age 2, I checked CPU-Z and Core speed drop to around 4485mhz (Normal OC : 4513mhz) and Bus speed was drop below 100 ( Stock : 100 , Normal OC : 100.3 )
I looked on BIOS again and the same error message was there and the settings changed to stock again! :(


How can this be happening?
I have already tested everything for stability. memtest+ for 14 passes. prime95 for 7-8 hours. OCCT blend test. no problem at all! the temps are low too.


Here is the spec setup ( just in case ):
Mobo : GA-P67A-UD4-B3
CPU : Intel Core i5-2500k
GPU : Gigabyte GTX 560 ti
RAM : 3x2gb

Reply to xperator
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Have you tryed Reseting the bios back to stock take batt out ,switch jumper ,Boot
Then try your oc again id be suspect of a mb or bios issue is your bios upto date?
Also Overcocks are for benching ect running a cpu at 4.5ghz 24/7 is not a good idea if you want it to last

Reply to kronic_1

No I didn't try that.
The Bios version is F2 but the latest is F3 which the only changelog is "Solve press reset button cause system abnormal"
I don't think this would solve the problem. So I didn't update the Bios firmware

what do you mean by saying running cpu at oc is not a good thing ? Everyone is doing that, aren't they ?
I didn't buy a 2500k series just for doing some benchs and leave it at stock clocks.

Reply to xperator

Some BIOS’s do that when they detect a boot failure they put the settings back to default. Others tell you to enter the BIOS and set the default settings (which you can ignore).

Reply to pjmelect

I know that. It happended a few times when I was overclocking at wrong voltages. But that happens when the system is restarting.

Is there anyway I can prevent that ? Is there any option in BIOS ?

Reply to xperator
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Nope - it does that so that you can then get back into the system and try again -- if you were able to bypass it resetting them the system would become unuseable since the OC you set is too high and the system boot failed - if it didn't revert then you'd be stuck in an endless loop of trying to boot - boot failing - try to boot boot failing !! by it reverting the settings to your defaults it lets you actually have a successful boot and get out of the loop to try different settings.

Reply to JDFan

Then How I should know where is the problem ?

Why the system is reverting the settings while it has worked for 2 weeks without any problem? Also I did all the stability tests. There shouldn't be any reason to revert the stock values.

Reply to xperator

Most likely because your overclock is not totally stable. I know you tested with prime however it is not the absolute on stability testing. What settings did you use in prime95? You do know most versions of prime95 with default settings will not report any errors unless you check round off checking in advanced settings. Did you first try small fft setting in torture test, and the other 2 types of torture test. Other excellent whole system stability tests include video encoding h.264 particularly is stressful on a system. How about games do you have crashes in games? I have had prime95 stable systems before that failed in games as games stress the whole system not just the cpu and memory.

Reply to A_Real_Overclocker
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A little off topic but why do you have 3x 2GB on your board? I have a similar set up as you do except I wasn't able to get a stable 4.5Ghz at your voltage. I had to go over 1.3...I think 1.31V to get it to be fully stable. I know not all cpus are the same but I agree with the others here saying that's it is not fully stable.

Reply to crewton

A_Real_Overclocker wrote :

Most likely because your overclock is not totally stable. I know you tested with prime however it is not the absolute on stability testing. What settings did you use in prime95? You do know most versions of prime95 with default settings will not report any errors unless you check round off checking in advanced settings. Did you first try small fft setting in torture test, and the other 2 types of torture test. Other excellent whole system stability tests include video encoding h.264 particularly is stressful on a system. How about games do you have crashes in games? I have had prime95 stable systems before that failed in games as games stress the whole system not just the cpu and memory.



Maybe you are right. I thought this is some sort of bug.
I just used Prime95 default settings and also I have only tested using 'Blend'. So I haven't tried 'Small FFTs' or 'In-Place Large FFTs'. Do I have to test those too ?
I am not familiar with Advanced settings. I will be really grateful if you help me fully stress my cpu using advanced settings.

Games have never crashed. Is there any free program to do video encoding ?


crewton wrote :

A little off topic but why do you have 3x 2GB on your board? I have a similar set up as you do except I wasn't able to get a stable 4.5Ghz at your voltage. I had to go over 1.3...I think 1.31V to get it to be fully stable. I know not all cpus are the same but I agree with the others here saying that's it is not fully stable.



I don't get what you mean. Are you saying 3x 2GB is not enough ?
Well I know getting a stable 4.5ghz @ 1.28v doesn't seem really fully stable. But It does with my case. I haven't got any error or crashes So I can't say that it isn't stable.

Reply to xperator
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Running 3 sticks lowers the performance of your ram by eliminating the dual channel of just using 2x2GB. Unless they are 3 different sticks that you just put in there and they are all running at the worst stick's timings. It just confused me is all :P

Reply to crewton

Sorry man I don't understand a word you say!
I don't know how ram channels work or the number of sticks. also I have no idea how does it affect performance.

Is there any program which I can tell how the ram is running and about the timings?
does CPU-Z tell you that ? I want you to check if the "worst" timings which you said is really happening or not.

Reply to xperator
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It would be under the memory tab in CPU -Z. If you run 2 sticks in slots 1&3 or 2&4 they should come up as dual channel and will run at so many Mhz and x-x-x-x timing (lower timings are better). If you put three sticks then you will lose dual channel performance. It won't be a large difference but it's there.

Edit: Actually, do you have the type of ram sticks you are using? Sandy bridge requires 1.5V ram and if you are using old DDR3 ram that were designed for 1.65V; it could be causing your motherboard to reset.


Message edited by crewton on 04-29-2011 at 10:26:21 AM
Reply to crewton

I have checked memory tab but didn't find number of channels:
http://i54.tinypic.com/scrzo1.jpg

I have set 1.64v for Ram voltage because it doesn't have 1.65v option
Did I do the right thing ?

If the ram is causing the motherboard to reset, should I put ram settings from 'Extreme' to 'Standard' ? Will the system lose much performance ?

Reply to xperator
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Ahhhh, wrong way. Sandy bridge wants the RAM to run at 1.5V. It doesn't like it to be that high. I'm guessing then that your ram was at the right voltage.

and yes put the ram back to standard.

The memory tab should have a drop down box on the left side that shows slots #1-4. You can select each slot individually and it should tell you it's frequency and timings and in the upper right it would say dual on the channel line if it was dual channel.


Message edited by crewton on 04-29-2011 at 11:52:16 AM
Reply to crewton

Sorry Man I think I misunderstand two different things.
the 1.64v which I said before was the DRam voltage. The Ram voltage you said is 1.5v in BIOS. I just found out this a few min ago.

Also there is something else I don't understand. I have set the System Memory Multiplier to 16. so the ram speed will be 1600, right ? But How it is related to Performance Enhance ? What does these 3 Enhance do ? ( Standard,Turbo,Extreme)

The drop down box that you mentioned is not under 'Memory' tab, it's under 'SPD' tab
Here is the pic :
http://i51.tinypic.com/dbqpme.jpg

Does the 2 pictures which I upload for you are loading in your browser ? Are you seeing them ?

Reply to xperator
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You shouldn't use the Prime95 default settings. Use the small fft's test to test the processor. Use large fft's and blend tests to test CPU and memory. If only one passes, you sort of know where you should start looking.

One reason that I like Gigabyte motherboards is that they detect a failed overclock, they will usually keep trying automatically to find a bootable configuration. Many motherboards will force you to clear the CMOS settings before you can boot again.

When you are overclocking, you also need to monitor your temperatures. If you are going to overclock, I recommend better than stock cooling.

Intel's max recommended voltage for the i5-K's is 1.52 volts, but I wouldn't go over about 1.40 volts.

Reply to jsc

jsc wrote :

You shouldn't use the Prime95 default settings. Use the small fft's test to test the processor. Use large fft's and blend tests to test CPU and memory. If only one passes, you sort of know where you should start looking.

One reason that I like Gigabyte motherboards is that they detect a failed overclock, they will usually keep trying automatically to find a bootable configuration. Many motherboards will force you to clear the CMOS settings before you can boot again.

When you are overclocking, you also need to monitor your temperatures. If you are going to overclock, I recommend better than stock cooling.

Intel's max recommended voltage for the i5-K's is 1.52 volts, but I wouldn't go over about 1.40 volts.



Ok then if I use 'Small FFTs' and If it passes it means the problem is no more about CPU, right ?

Yeah I have already bought a cpu cooler and watched over the temps. they are OK.

Reply to xperator

I remind you again when you start prime95 cancel the test. Now go to the top of the prime95 screen you will see left to right test, edit, advanced, options, window , and help. Click on advanced look for round off checking in the drop down list. Make sure it is checked, if not click it and put a check mark there. If you don't do this it will not catch crashes on the individual cores. I find and most sites about O/C recommend a minimum 10 minute round of testing of small FFT's it stress's mainly the cpu as the data all fits into CPU cache. After you get it to pass this I usually run the default blend test 4 or so hours then the in place large FFT's the same amount of time if I get a clean run I go on to try it out gaming or on video encoding. As for the video encoder Google for Handbrake its a cool free tool. I recommend on Asus motherboards to manually set all the voltages such as v core, memory, NB, SB etc. as Asus tend to over-volt a bit more than usually is needed to get stable. I avoid auto-overcloking like the plague!

This is all if your memory is at stock settings if you are overclocking it too go back to stock memory settings until you get the processor settled first. I to am curious as to why you are running 2x3 memory configure that is normally only used on the triple channel socket 1366 X58 Intel series. It probably isn't a problem, but as pointed out you are loosing out on your boards normal dual channel memory capability. You need either 2, 2x2 or 4x2 in other words at least 1 stick in channel A, and 1 in channel B, or for all four slots used. As for your temps what are they? Not all chips like the so called normal temps or flat just won't clock stably high. I have a Q9450 that taps out at 3.2 I can torture it at 3.4, but its throwing flames out and not stable at that setting. :^)

Have fun and good luck. Unless you can afford to buy trays of processors and lots of motherboards it still is really a lot of luck involved.

Reply to A_Real_Overclocker

A_Real_Overclocker wrote :

I remind you again when you start prime95 cancel the test. Now go to the top of the prime95 screen you will see left to right test, edit, advanced, options, window , and help. Click on advanced look for round off checking in the drop down list. Make sure it is checked, if not click it and put a check mark there. If you don't do this it will not catch crashes on the individual cores. I find and most sites about O/C recommend a minimum 10 minute round of testing of small FFT's it stress's mainly the cpu as the data all fits into CPU cache. After you get it to pass this I usually run the default blend test 4 or so hours then the in place large FFT's the same amount of time if I get a clean run I go on to try it out gaming or on video encoding. As for the video encoder Google for Handbrake its a cool free tool. I recommend on Asus motherboards to manually set all the voltages such as v core, memory, NB, SB etc. as Asus tend to over-volt a bit more than usually is needed to get stable. I avoid auto-overcloking like the plague!

This is all if your memory is at stock settings if you are overclocking it too go back to stock memory settings until you get the processor settled first. I to am curious as to why you are running 2x3 memory configure that is normally only used on the triple channel socket 1366 X58 Intel series. It probably isn't a problem, but as pointed out you are loosing out on your boards normal dual channel memory capability. You need either 2, 2x2 or 4x2 in other words at least 1 stick in channel A, and 1 in channel B, or for all four slots used. As for your temps what are they? Not all chips like the so called normal temps or flat just won't clock stably high. I have a Q9450 that taps out at 3.2 I can torture it at 3.4, but its throwing flames out and not stable at that setting. :^)

Have fun and good luck. Unless you can afford to buy trays of processors and lots of motherboards it still is really a lot of luck involved.



I am currently running Prime95 with the settings you mentioned. I will reply back here later.

I don't know if changing memory multiplier is considered as overclock.
Actually I didn't pay much attention to picking a performance memory combination. I didn't know there are difference between dual and triple channels. I thought they were capacity related. Now I wonder why people always pick 4gb or 8gb rams.

Max temps at 4.5ghz is 71C when running prime95. ( checked with RealTemp )

Btw, If I had another 2gb stick, does the dual channel apply in my case ?

Reply to xperator
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Changing the multiplier is considered an overclock. Was it at 13.3 and you set it to 16? If your timings were lower like 7-8-7-21 and just set the multiplier to 16 you could easily have problems. If the timings are 9-9-9-24 it shouldn't be a problem.

Reply to crewton

Yup, one more memory stick that is identical to the three already installed will turn on the dual channel architecture if it's not already on.

Reply to spooky2th

crewton wrote :

Changing the multiplier is considered an overclock. Was it at 13.3 and you set it to 16? If your timings were lower like 7-8-7-21 and just set the multiplier to 16 you could easily have problems. If the timings are 9-9-9-24 it shouldn't be a problem.



After turning the 'Performance Enhance' setting to standard, the timings have also changed automatically from 9-9-9-24 to 11-11-11-29

@A_Real_Overclocker
I have run Small FFTs for 1 hour without any errors. And Large FFTs for 8 hours and 31 minutes. No errors.
I am going to do video encoding.

Reply to xperator
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Ewww keep it at performance enhance then.

Reply to crewton

Ok I finished video encoding, also playing a game. No problem so far.

So can we say that the CPU is settled ?

Then about about that "The system has experienced boot failures because of overclocking or changes in voltage..." message that appeared two times before ? What was that all about ?

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