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June 14, 2010 7:29:56 AM

Hi,

I will be upgrading my PC to the following:

E7500 Core 2 Duo 2.93 Ghz
XFX nforce 750i SLI
3GB DDR 2 800 Mhz
500 GB SATA HD

Now please suggest me a graphic card (GTX 260 Core 216 or HD 5770) for playing all games at Max settings on a 17" Monitor (1440*900).
Which of these cards would be better performance wise?

More about : nvidia ati

June 14, 2010 8:08:36 AM

thanks for the reply. But can the HD 5770 max out all games on a 1440*900 resolution especially crysis and gta 4 or do I have to crossfire it with another GPU
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June 14, 2010 8:14:03 AM

Agreed, between those two I'd go for the 5770.
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June 14, 2010 8:25:27 AM

thanks for the reply. But can the HD 5770 max out all games on a 1440*900 resolution especially crysis and gta 4 or do I have to crossfire it with another GPU
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a c 169 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 8:37:54 AM

A single 5770 can max out every game on 1440x900, and there is no need for CrossFire on that res.
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June 14, 2010 8:43:14 AM

Ok for now I'll just purchase a single HD 5770. But I'll make sure that I get another one of these cards for future gaming. Will that be ok?
and one more thing, will my processor bottleneck this card. Its a E7500 Core 2 duo 2.93 Ghz. Please reply ASAP.
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 9:04:47 AM

Maybe not a single one, but you won't get the most out of a CrossFire setup with that CPU.
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 9:24:25 AM

Unfortunately the Core iX series do not support DDR2. If you want to upgrade your CPU I suggest you try the Core 2 Quad Q8400, if you can afford it the Q9400, and if you live near a Micro Center, a Q9550 for $169.99 pickup.

EDIT: Temporary brain lapse, the Core iX series do in fact support DDR3.
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June 14, 2010 9:32:44 AM

I do not want DDR3, I want DDR2 RAM itself, does the core i3 processor support DDR2 ram channel. If yes, then please suggest me a motherboard or else i'll stick on to my E7500 itself
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 9:35:30 AM

Lmeow said:
Unfortunately the Core iX series do not support DDR3.


Say WHAT!?
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 9:47:00 AM

Intel Pentium G6950, Core i3, Core i5 and Core i7 processors do not support DDR2, only DDR3.
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June 14, 2010 9:48:05 AM

Ok what type of ram does the core i3 series support. is it DDr2 or DDr3
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 9:48:05 AM

Lmeow said:
Intel Pentium G6950, Core i3, Core i5 and Core i7 processors do not support DDR2, only DDR3.


I take it your earlier post was a typo then?
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 9:51:57 AM

All The Core-iX processors come with a built-in DD3 memory controller. I'm not sure whether they are backwards compatible with DDR2.
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 9:55:13 AM

Sorry! I really need a facepalm emoticon (I can be so stupid sometimes), and yes it was a typo lol.
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 9:59:17 AM

Gotcha.. ;-)

OK, so to summarise our recommendations:

a) Get a single 5770 and stick with your current CPU + Mobo +RAM
b) Get a 5770 plus a Core i3 + new mobo + new RAM; possibly a second 5770 later.

Does that about cover it?
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 10:06:19 AM

^

Otherwise OP could buy a Core 2 Quad Q8400/Q9400/Q9550 in addition to the HD 5770 upgrade.
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a c 169 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 10:10:08 AM

irfan88 said:
Ok for now I'll just purchase a single HD 5770. But I'll make sure that I get another one of these cards for future gaming. Will that be ok?
and one more thing, will my processor bottleneck this card. Its a E7500 Core 2 duo 2.93 Ghz. Please reply ASAP.

No,for 1440x900 you won't need another 5770,its a waste.
And as for CPU,if you don't want to change your motherboard,then upgrade your CPU to a Q9550(if your budget allows) or a Q8400
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June 14, 2010 10:25:31 AM

I think ill stick on to my E7500 core 2 duo 2.93 GHZ itself.

But i think it can play all games smoothly at 1440*900 right with a HD 7500 paired to it.
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a c 169 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 10:47:12 AM

Yo mean 5770 right :D  ?
And as long as you play GPU limited games you'll be fine
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June 14, 2010 10:58:10 AM

Yup its HD 5770. Incase a single GPU cannot handle it, then another card with crossfire can right!
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a c 193 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 1:55:29 PM

Not on your mobo. You have a SLI-chipset board, so you can run a pair of nVidia cards, but you cannot use a pair of ATi cards in Crossfire.
Considering that SLI chipsets have a reputation for instability, that is NOT a recommendation away from the HD5770. At your resolution, you do not need multiple GPUs. If you want to invest money on improvements, you're looking at CPU+mobo+DDR3 RAM. Otherwise, as anort3 said, there are good reasons to prefer the HD5770 over the GTX260.
What PSU do you have? Make sure it is up to powering your new card.
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June 14, 2010 2:20:29 PM

I have a cooler master GX 650W. 42 amps on +12V.
So do you mean to say that I cannot use any of the ATI cards on an nforce chipsets.
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a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 2:24:49 PM

irfan88 said:
I have a cooler master GX 650W. 42 amps on +12V.
So do you mean to say that I cannot use any of the ATI cards on an nforce chipsets.


No, he means you won't be able to run two ATi cards in CrossFire on an Nvidia board. You need a AMD chip-set for that to work.
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a c 169 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 2:26:02 PM

good point jtt,thanks for mentioning it
to irfan,your PSU is fine for a 5770.and you can use a "Single" 5770 on that board,but for CrossFire,you need a "CrossFire" board in order to use it,because your current board supports SLI only.
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a c 193 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 2:30:11 PM

Thanks for the additional clarification.
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June 14, 2010 2:38:38 PM

and one more thing, cant i use any nforce based motherboards with an ATI HD 5000 series cards
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June 14, 2010 2:39:39 PM

now I need to purchase a motherboard for myself. Please suggest me a crossfire motherboard that also supports LGA 775 intel processors.
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a c 193 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 2:43:21 PM

Yes, you can use a nForce mobo with a SINGLE ATi card (just not with two of them in Crossfire).
What parts do you have already, just the CPU and RAM? Case?
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a c 125 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 2:46:02 PM

I think you might aswell go for a Core i5/i7/AM3 setup, rather than buying a new 775 board (old tech) + A quadcore would be a good purchase as a fair few games now are using 4 cores
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June 14, 2010 2:47:59 PM

I have an nforce 750i sli motherboard (SLI)
CPU: e7500 core 2 duo 2.93 Ghz
Case: cooler master elite 330


If I want to use crossfire, what do I do?
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a c 193 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 3:11:57 PM

If you want to use Crossfire (e.g. when you upgrade your monitor, because your current resolution won't benefit from it), you'll need a new motherboard that supports Crossfire.
You could find a P45 board that will do x8,x8 Crossfire, but it would make a lot more sense to upgrade either to AMD socket AM3 or to Intel socket LGA1156. Your e7500 is owned by the least Core i3: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/87?vs=118 which is only $115 now.
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June 14, 2010 3:32:32 PM

NO ways, I dont have that much of budget. If I uupgrade my CPU to an i3 processor, I will have to get all the parts i.e, motherboard, RAM DDR3.
I already have 4 gig DDR2 Ram and a good motherboard that can run an sli configuration in x16, x8 instead of x8, x8 operation.

Ill better upgrade my CPU to a quad core q8400 and stick on to a GTX 260 SLI configuration. direct x 11 is not important to me and GTX 260 performs much better than a HD 5770.

Just one last question, Can i play all present games at maximum settings on a single GTX 260 core 216 or do I need another card for SLI.
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a c 255 U Graphics card
June 14, 2010 6:32:37 PM

Dude.........You will be FINE with 1 x 5770 at 1440 x 900. Running 2 graphics cards at that resolution is a waste of money!

New Intel processors use DDR3 ONLY.

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direct x 11 is not important to me and GTX 260 performs much better than a HD 5770.


???? Where did you get that?? I posted a link with benchmarks and explained in my first post that the 5770 is a better card. It overclocks like a champ. Did you look at those benchmarks? Those are at stock speeds.

Crysis and GTA4 are both VERY demanding games. That being said 1440 x 900 is pretty low resolution. Unless you are going to overclock I am not sure going to a lower clocked quad core would help with either game.

Get a HD5770 and overclock both it and your CPU as far as it will go. Then see how the games do. If it fails to do what you want then upgrade more.

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good motherboard that can run an sli configuration in x16, x8 instead of x8, x8 operation


That does not matter in any way unless you are running VERY high end graphics. Like 2 x GTX 480s.
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June 15, 2010 12:48:33 AM

so can i play all the present games and also the future games at maximum settings with a single HD 5770 at 1440*900 resolution (19" monitor) or do I need to crossfire it later. Ill not be upgrading my monitor. What is the average FPS i would get with that resolution on crysis with all maximum settings.

Based on this reply, ill upgrade my computer.

thanks for all your help.
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a c 169 U Graphics card
June 15, 2010 6:12:21 AM

It seems you don't even read the replies, i don't know how many times i have to say that a single 5770 is more than enough for 1440x900.
google for benchmarks if you think we are wrong.
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June 15, 2010 4:46:14 PM

irfan88 said:
so can i play all the present games and also the future games at maximum settings with a single HD 5770 at 1440*900 resolution (19" monitor) or do I need to crossfire it later. Ill not be upgrading my monitor. What is the average FPS i would get with that resolution on crysis with all maximum settings.

Based on this reply, ill upgrade my computer.

thanks for all your help.


IMO, 5770 + i3 and you are set
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