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July 21, 2010 7:56:16 PM

This is the gaming rig that I am hoping to build up slowly as I get the money:

Case:

AZZA Solano Full Tower Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...(Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form)-_-AZZA-_-11517004

Motherboard: Now, I am torn here, as I have read many posts here. Do I want an:

EVGA X58 for $180

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...(Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form)-_-AZZA-_-11517004

an ASUS P6T Deluxe v2 for $270

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or an ASUS WS Revolution for $330

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: i7-930

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive:

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS:

WIN7 for $180

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply:

COOLER MASTER Silent Pro 1000w

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Drive:

Just a $20 drive I will get at bestbuy

Graphics Card:

EVGA GTX 460

https://www.sabrepc.com/p-483-evga-nvidia-geforce-gtx-4...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


All i really want to know it how this ranks, if I am missing anything, or if the components fit together correctly.
Thanks. I also have my old hard drive i am on right now with WIN7 and all my data, could i migrate it to my new one?

P.S. I might SLI another GTX 460 later

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July 21, 2010 8:24:15 PM

For the motherboard, I'd go with the ASUS P6X58D-E (SATA III/USB 3.0), and for the PSU, a Corsair HX750W (more than enough for GTX 460 SLI).
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July 21, 2010 8:41:27 PM

I wouldn't get the most expensive mobo there, unless you plan on going with 3 or 4 GPUs in SLI/CF. Since you're looking at only a GTX 460, IMO probably the ASUS board Lmeow linked.

And for PSU, I was thinking Corsair 850HX as it's the same price as the 1000W one listed, but much better. The 750HX is fine too. I have a 750TX running a 4gh OC i5 750, two 5850s OCed, and a GT 240 for PhysX, plus an audio card, and 2 hard drives in RAID 0, and 5 case fans. So yeah, you don't need more than an 850TX or HX unless you plan to run a whole watercooling system off it too.

I also recommend getting 2 smaller HDDs instead of a single 1TB drive if you want fast loading times. 2 drives in RAID 0 literally doubles the thruput. Not much better at random read/writes tho. Still, I got 2 Seagate 500GB 7200.12 HDDs for $100, so I get the full 1TB of room (well, 957GB in reality or something)

But yeah, should be a sweet build.

Although, just FYI, you won't see much if any difference in gaming going for the cheaper i5 750. $200 CPU, $180 mobo, $130 RAM = much less than the i7 and X58 mobo and triple channel RAM. On the other hand the i7 platform might last a bit longer, since it supports more PCIe lanes you can trifire/triSLI wherease on the P55 chipset it's not a good idea at all to do that. Getting the cheaper CPU and such, you might have enough to upgrade to a GTX 480 and won't need to worry about SLI for a long while.
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July 21, 2010 9:58:03 PM

Lmeow said:
For the motherboard, I'd go with the ASUS P6X58D-E (SATA III/USB 3.0), and for the PSU, a Corsair HX750W (more than enough for GTX 460 SLI).


You really think 750 is enough for 2 GTX 460s? I know 1 card needs 500-550, so that is why i want to buy a 1000w. Do they not use as much power when SLI'd?
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July 21, 2010 10:04:08 PM

wolfram23 said:
I wouldn't get the most expensive mobo there, unless you plan on going with 3 or 4 GPUs in SLI/CF. Since you're looking at only a GTX 460, IMO probably the ASUS board Lmeow linked.

And for PSU, I was thinking Corsair 850HX as it's the same price as the 1000W one listed, but much better. The 750HX is fine too. I have a 750TX running a 4gh OC i5 750, two 5850s OCed, and a GT 240 for PhysX, plus an audio card, and 2 hard drives in RAID 0, and 5 case fans. So yeah, you don't need more than an 850TX or HX unless you plan to run a whole watercooling system off it too.

I also recommend getting 2 smaller HDDs instead of a single 1TB drive if you want fast loading times. 2 drives in RAID 0 literally doubles the thruput. Not much better at random read/writes tho. Still, I got 2 Seagate 500GB 7200.12 HDDs for $100, so I get the full 1TB of room (well, 957GB in reality or something)

But yeah, should be a sweet build.

Although, just FYI, you won't see much if any difference in gaming going for the cheaper i5 750. $200 CPU, $180 mobo, $130 RAM = much less than the i7 and X58 mobo and triple channel RAM. On the other hand the i7 platform might last a bit longer, since it supports more PCIe lanes you can trifire/triSLI wherease on the P55 chipset it's not a good idea at all to do that. Getting the cheaper CPU and such, you might have enough to upgrade to a GTX 480 and won't need to worry about SLI for a long while.



You give what you would recommend with $, but i don't know which exact parts would be the mobo and RAM. The EVGA X58 is $180, is that what u meant? Are you talking about he parts I listed or others? Also, will the X58 support i5? And what is the difference between i5 and i7?
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July 21, 2010 10:24:29 PM

The X58 mother board supports the 1366 socket, which corresponds to the i7 9xx series of CPUs, while the P55 chipset supports 1156 socket, for i3, i5, and i7 8xx CPUs. The i5 750 is an excellent quad core CPU, the biggest difference between it and an i7 930 is that the 930 has hyper threading for 8 logical cores, and it has twice the PCIe bandwidth. In terms of gaming, the hyper threading does nothing for you except in very limited circumstances. On the other hand, the PCIe bandwidth is nice, but only gives a 4% boost in performance if you're running crossfire/SLI, and only if the cards are high end. Essentically the 930 can support PCIe 16x/16x while an i5 750 can support 8x/8x, however, according to an article here on toms that only made a 4% difference in speed running an ATI 5870. Any lower cards will see less of a difference, a GTX460 probably will see none unless overclocked, and even then it'll be maybe a 2% difference.

X58 motherboards are, in general, more expensive. You're also looking at triple channel RAM, although you can get dual channel on X58, whereas P55 only supports dual and single channel RAM. The performance difference in gaming is negligible. Maybe 1%.

So, for example, my i5 570, ASUS P7P55D PRO mobo, and Patriot Viper II Sector 5 RAM would cost about $500. An i7 930, ASUS P6T Delux, and the Corsair RAM you chose is going to be $750. Or let's say $660 going with the EVGA mobo. If you think it's worthwhile to pay $160 extra for hyperthreading (no benefit to gaming) and 16x/16x PCIe lanes (very little benefit) then by all means go for it.

You can see here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor... they say:
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With rapidly-increasing prices over $200 offering smaller and smaller performance boosts in games, we have a hard time recommending anything more expensive than the Core i5-750. This is especially the case since the Core i5-750 can be overclocked to great effect if more performance is desired, easily surpassing the stock clock rate of the $1,000 Core i7-975 Extreme Edition.

Perhaps the only performance-based justification we can think of for moving up from a Core i5-750 is that LGA 1156 processors have an inherent limit of 16 PCIe lanes for graphics use. This is an architectural detail that the LGA 1156-based Core i5 and Core i7 processors share, so if a gamer plans to use more than two graphics cards in CrossFire or SLI, the LGA 1366 Core i7-900-series processors are the way to go.


As for PSU, they recommend for example 500W for a single card, but that's not how much the card needs. That's to make sure there's room for CPU power, HDDs, DVD, fans etc. A GTX 460 uses something like 190W... or maybe it was less. Either way, that's only 700W needed. The Corsair 750TX is a great PSU and will work wonderfully, or go with the 750HX for a bit more amperage (I think) and modular cables.
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July 21, 2010 10:29:16 PM

So the 8x/8x channels won't make much of a difference compared to x16/x16? What does that mean?

Also, which would be the best 2 hard drives to RAID?
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July 21, 2010 10:49:09 PM

yomammassson said:
So the 8x/8x channels won't make much of a difference compared to x16/x16? What does that mean?

Also, which would be the best 2 hard drives to RAID?


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p55-pci-express-sca...



The single and 2 card CF/SLI scores are very close. The only reason for X58 in my opinion is if you want to go 3 way CF/SLI, which is kinda ridiculous as you can see how little it scales over 2 way, it's a waste of cash.
EDIT: Some benchmarks do seem to prefer X58 over P55, but that might be due to the CPU, I don't know. Read the review in the link I posted above. For example Crysis shows a significant lead for X58 crossfire over P55 crossfire at lowest resolution, but the gap is closed at the highest resolution, which shows a probable CPU bottleneck. And remember they're stock clocks on the CPUs for the test... you can easily OC.

As for the RAID 0 question, it doesn't matter a whole lot. To be honest I'm not a hard drive expert, but I have Seagate 7200rpm 500gb HDDs and they're very good to me.
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July 21, 2010 11:22:12 PM

Ok, i have decided to go with an i5 750, can you recommend a motherboard with SLI capabilities and it around $200?
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July 21, 2010 11:43:55 PM

Well, the ASUS P7P55D PRO or Deluxe are good. You can get the "E" versions of either which have SATA 3 and USB 3, but current tech can barely surpass what SATA 2 and USB 2 have to offer so it's not really necessary, unless you're going to get a SSD but even then it's not a big deal. I know my PRO mobo has SLI and CF compatibility.

Also, maybe a Gigabyte UD4 mobo. Not sure if it has SLI.

Just so you know, the SLI compatibility is because the mobos are supposed to have these little chips or transistors or something and they have to pay a royalty to be officially compatible.

I wouldn't really recommend too many other brands.
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July 21, 2010 11:54:13 PM

What is SATA 3? ?I know USB of course, but is USB 3 a more advanced version?
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July 22, 2010 2:49:11 AM

SATA is how your hard drives connect to the motherboard. The "3" versions offer a lot more bandwidth for higher transfer rates, but the problem is that from my understanding, current hardware can't use it all anyway so the performance gain in most cases will be nill.
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July 22, 2010 2:55:18 AM

And how will I be able to tell whether ram is 2 channel or 3 channel?

What does the ASUS P7P55D PRO need?
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July 22, 2010 3:05:08 AM

2 channel. Basically just get 2x2GB RAM. If you're looking at newegg, their GSkill series is good. OCZ is fairly good, Corsair is good. I bought Patriot Viper II Sector 5 RAM and really like it - just don't get a lower performance Patriot RAM. I bought it at a local store and the sales man told me that Patriot used to be a low end company but over the last few years they really stepped it up because they want to compete with the big boys, so their top end RAM is actually good.
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July 22, 2010 3:13:21 AM

I have 8GB RAM right now in my PC, can i take 4GB out of this one and put it in the other?
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July 22, 2010 4:56:28 AM

yomammassson said:
I have 8GB RAM right now in my PC, can i take 4GB out of this one and put it in the other?


Probably, but you have to make absolutely sure it's the right kind. Specifically, that it is DDR3 RAM. Do you know the exact brand and model? There should be a product code on it somewhere.
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July 22, 2010 8:00:41 AM

He might as well go with the P7P55D-E Pro if he's making a new build - no point purposely evading newer technology, it will future-proof his build a bit more.

OP, nVidia recommends 500W or so for a whole system with a GTX 460. GTX 460s themselves use less than 200 W of power or so, and 750 W is more than enough.
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July 22, 2010 4:33:51 PM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
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July 22, 2010 4:41:09 PM

Well I have 500w now, so my first part will be the graphics card, so i can enjoy it on this machine while I build up on the other components.

My RAM is DDR2, frequency of 399.6MHz.
It is Dual channel
I have 8192 MBytes
FBS:D RAM = 5:6
(all according to cpu-z)
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July 22, 2010 4:42:53 PM

The part with the smiley face is (FBS) : {DRAM} = 5:6
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July 22, 2010 5:02:14 PM

Manufacturer is ASint Technology and the part number is BW9J2LF4FN1
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July 22, 2010 5:40:40 PM

I'd suggest you go ahead and buy some newer DDR3 ram
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July 23, 2010 1:15:36 AM

Best answer selected by Yomammassson.
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